Feeling etheric fibres, what do they mean?

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I don't mean to sound happy about your suffering Skipling (I'm not), but I'm happy in a relieved kind of way to see that I am not the only one here struggling with worse than average mental health and bad brain chemistry. I myself fell to psychosis earlier this year. Perhaps we can share our observations together, I would be really happy to talk to you. Maybe we can burst eachother bubbles about what it means to do the Work with such problems?
 
Firstly, to respond to Meagre1; I have had a wierd, queasy, seasickness-like feeling when sleeping before, once as a child and another time about four or five years back. The former was in a dream state, the second was post-breakdown and I was in bonko thought mode. This is embarrassing, but it was another of those times when I thought I was having a spiritual interaction when in all probability it was the antithesis. I think the lizzies have put me through the ringer in this life.

Does it feel like a queasy, not discomforting, but strange sensation? I remember actually enjoying the experience when I was a child, but then I can't really account for the nature of the experience in any verifiable way. And naivety has been my middle name with regards to such things too. I don't think there's much correlation.

What were you thinking about at the times when you felt it? Were you dreaming, zoned-out in some way? Or completely awake? Eaten anything prior? Just wondering...

These wierd web-like sensations I get are in times of stress and anger, and I understand why in some ways. It's an annoyance with my thought processes and my emotional states. If I am relaxed then they are non-existent. I have been recapitulating some memories from way, way back recently though, which have resulted in a very lovely feeling deep in the solar plexus. Pure nostalgia though, so it's very fleeting, and then the horror of the now can send me hurtling down into depression.

At its root is a growing realisation of just how dissatisfied I am not only with how my life is, but how it has been for the best part of twenty years. Finally I have a willingness to articulate that. I'm really gutted with how my life has gone, but I don't want to "check out". I'm just finding it very difficult to change things. Domestic arrangements, job dissatisfaction, romantic loneliness, and a social anxiety which becomes highly paranoid. It was jOda who wrote something in the swamp that resonated with me big time, but I didn't have the confidence to respond at that time, it was a fair few months back. I feel guilty about that now, I hope he's alright. I'll have to look up his post tomorrow when I have a free day.

If the moderators want to move this thread to the swamp they can do, I don't want to tread on anyone's toes. :)

Smallwood, I would be more than happy to burst the bubbles with you! :D If you want to start a thread to get the ball rolling go right ahead. Nothing can hurt more than suffering in silence and isolation, but sometimes it can be so difficult to just "spit it out". And then comes the worry if you've put your thoughts into words correctly, or worry if you've said too much, or what others will think. The predator can be such a bugger, but low confidence is a stifler of the mind, as I have discovered. I have a lot of work to do with regards to truly understanding the Fourth Way material, but then I have been procrastinating and this must only be feeding my predator. I read ISOTM four years back with little success, and I've been resisting going back. I've got the Fourth Way book also, which reads more like an epic conversation, but I haven't made much headway with it, due to "my fear", or is it laziness? It is a book that I NEED to read and understand, if I can.

Let me know how you would like to proceed. Surely we can only gain from such an exchange, and perhaps even initiate a little healing? Let's hope so. :)
 
I've just been reading of the dropping dead of a Chinese factory worker enduring the misery of upwards of 24 hour shifts. Man, and I complain about job dissatisfaction. Perspective, and the changing of it, can be a beautiful thing.

Some of the things that have been bugging me about life have all the classic qualities of wallowing. There's an ice age coming, or at least that is what the current consensus around here is. Many times recently I've looked about at the birds in the trees, fluffy white clouds passing by, a beautiful summer's day, and wondered, "is all this really going to end (change)?"

And a voice often answers back in my mind, "It's coming...."

I've really got to snap out of this funk I've gotten myself into. It really is wallowing. Regardless of what cognitive problems and psychotic symptoms I have, I've got to sieze the day!
And figure out a way of ensuring that I can overcome the loops of worry that can swamp the mind and eclipse the soul. I need a change of perspective when these worries/loops keep resurfacing, that is a given.
 
Skipling said:
I've really got to snap out of this funk I've gotten myself into. It really is wallowing. Regardless of what cognitive problems and psychotic symptoms I have, I've got to sieze the day!
And figure out a way of ensuring that I can overcome the loops of worry that can swamp the mind and eclipse the soul. I need a change of perspective when these worries/loops keep resurfacing, that is a given.

Easier said than done, isn't it? :) But I really think that you are on to something. We really do love our suffering. We cling to it and feed it. We wallow in it. And this is normal amongst reactionary machines, or so I think.

Ouspensky quotes Gurdjieff in In Search of the Miraculous:

… If there is anything in the world that people do not understand it is the idea of sacrifice. They think they have to sacrifice something that they have. For example, I once said that they must sacrifice 'faith,' 'tranquillity,' 'health.' They understand this literally. But then the point is that they have not got either faith, or tranquillity, or health. All these words must be taken in quotation marks. In actual fact they have to sacrifice only what they imagine they have and which in reality they do not have. They must sacrifice their fantasies. But this is difficult for them, very difficult. It is much easier to sacrifice real things. "Another thing that people must sacrifice is their suffering. It is very difficult also to sacrifice one's suffering. A man will renounce any pleasures you like but he will not give up his suffering. Man is made in such a way that he is never so much attached to anything as he is to his suffering. And it is necessary to be free from suffering. No one who is not free from suffering, who has not sacrificed his suffering, can work. Later on a great deal must be said about suffering. Nothing can be attained without suffering but at the same time one must begin by sacrificing suffering. Now, decipher what this means."
 
That is a super quote. To wallow is to love the suffering. It is madness though. I've just been reading about Argonaut's troubles with his WoW addiction and it is beginning to click. When you get stuck in a rut it can be so so difficult to snap yourself out of it. You think you can do nothing else other than what you are already doing, repetitive routines. You love your slavery, your chains, and yet you hate them. "Infected by laziness, and the therapy is difficult", springs immediately to mind.

Thanks again Nienna! I need to pull ISOTM back out of my cupboard and start making some real and proper efforts at understanding it. I actually think it won't be as difficult as my predator has been suggesting. I've been living in his back pocket recently with regards to so many aspects of life and thought. Degrees and layers though. It is not so different for many, as i am discovering as I emerge from the bubble of sorrow and wallowing...
 
Just as an additional update, I have decided to take the plunge and give up smoking.

This is going to be very difficult as I have been on the cigs since 1998. However, seeing as my right lung quite frequently aches, I cannot deny it any longer. There are also some peculiar connections with the smoking issue in my brain. I need some distance from the smoking I think in order to figure them out for sure, but I am commited to this effort. I think that I am one of those persons who really ought not to smoke, as I use it as a critch in a whole variety of situations, and also I think it will help me to make a clean break from drinking coffee.

The big test will be in the morning though. I feel depressed pretty much every morning. If it isn't a ciggie its a coffee that finally gets me out of bed. This isn't so bad this week as I have taken the week off work. Next week it could be an almighty mission. :(

However, one day at a time. I need to learn how to breathe properly in order to think more clearly, and those damn things aren't helping any more.
 
Hi, sorry to be coming back late.
Just wanted to answer that no, there was no queasiness, no nausea, no pain, no new foods, nothing like that.
I was very calm that day actually, and felt just fine.

This was simply a sensation of being on a swing and swinging back and forth. Like that.

Yet feeling this only in the abdominal area, only at rest and only that one day.

Nothing like it since. I have been EE pretty much every night, but have never experienced anything like that during or after, or even the next day, so I don`t think it was related to that in any way eithor.
 
Do not think I can contribute much to this thread considering all full considerations in relation to a possible health problem. But I wanted to mention that I remember having read somewhere that David Icke had a very similar feeling in the middle of a session with a medium, and the explanation she gave at the time that this was common when spiritual entities want to establish some kind of contact.
I just wanted to mention it.
 
Another impulsive and wrong choice on my part. I can't give up. I lasted little over an hour. I need them, they help me to stay calm, the smokes. Switched back to American Spirit instead of Drum, and will see how it goes from here.

Msante, "spiritual enities" could mean just about anything. I thought it was the entree for a possession, but it is I think a symptom of a confused mind. I try to observe my mind when needing a smoke, it can come out of nowhere, like it did yesterday. I just find life too stressful without the prospect of being able to have one, so I think it would be foolish to give them up.

Ah well, I was a non-smoker for all of an hour yesterday, and for a part of that time it felt like I had lock-jaw. Cutting down on the superfluous smokes, the ones that I don't crave, may be the better way to proceed.

Meagre1, good to see that you don't have any attending troubles with your experience. Nothing to worry about I reckon!
 
Skipling said:
Msante, "spiritual enities" could mean just about anything. I thought it was the entree for a possession, but it is I think a symptom of a confused mind. I try to observe my mind when needing a smoke, it can come out of nowhere, like it did yesterday. I just find life too stressful without the prospect of being able to have one, so I think it would be foolish to give them up.

You're probably right. I just wanted to mention it.
 
Meager1 said:
Speaking of odd sensations, I have been experiencing one all day today, I wasn`t going to mention it but then thought maybe I should.

I have never felt anything like it before, it is the strangest sensation of internal "rocking" back and forth, while lying down or sitting still. It doesn`t happen if I`m up and moving.

And it`s been confined primarily to the abdominal area. It feels as if I were on a swing and swinging back and forth, though the sensation as I said, is totally abdominal and really defined. I even thought that it felt a little like a wave, like non existent water, rolling back and forth, maybe something like that..

There is no pain, nausea, or anything else associated with this odd sensation ( and not during EE or anything like that ) so I`m wondering if anyone else has been having similar or even different, or odd, bodily sensations just lately, that are completely out of the norm? Just thought I`d ask.
I've had a similiar sensation periodically for years...almost like a slow vibration or kinda feels like a weak earthquake (not that I've ever felt a real earthquake). Sometimes it would happen when meditating or lying in bed. No idea what the heck it is.
 
Seraphina said:
Meager1 said:
Speaking of odd sensations, I have been experiencing one all day today, I wasn`t going to mention it but then thought maybe I should.

I have never felt anything like it before, it is the strangest sensation of internal "rocking" back and forth, while lying down or sitting still. It doesn`t happen if I`m up and moving.

And it`s been confined primarily to the abdominal area. It feels as if I were on a swing and swinging back and forth, though the sensation as I said, is totally abdominal and really defined. I even thought that it felt a little like a wave, like non existent water, rolling back and forth, maybe something like that..

There is no pain, nausea, or anything else associated with this odd sensation ( and not during EE or anything like that ) so I`m wondering if anyone else has been having similar or even different, or odd, bodily sensations just lately, that are completely out of the norm? Just thought I`d ask.
I've had a similiar sensation periodically for years...almost like a slow vibration or kinda feels like a weak earthquake (not that I've ever felt a real earthquake). Sometimes it would happen when meditating or lying in bed. No idea what the heck it is.

I'm thinking that this may be either related to diet, some emotional stuff coming up or some of both. Just a guess.
 
About David Icke and the medium..first thing that comes to mind, is I`ll take the large over the "medium" thank you, particularly when it comes to anyone handling the unseen on my behalf!

After thinking about the rocking sensation some more and trying to recall if there might have been anything stressful going on, I still have to say no, but maybe there was something subconscious. I suppose that's possible.

I tried to associate the sensation of rocking or swinging with what it actually meant to me.

I come up with comfort. Rocking or swinging is comforting, therefore I was probably adding a new "buffer" even if this was subconscious. I know some of you will laugh at this because afterward I did to..but last night I decided that I could maybe eliminate this new buffer ( if this is what it was ) and so when I went to bed last night I deliberately rocked myself from side to side for a minute or two to "neutralize" the swinging back and forth sensation..while telling myself that the time for buffers has passed and if I need to face something, then bring it on.

I was almost asleep when the thought popped into my mind " trying to do magic now too'?

And I had to laugh at myself, because yes, it would be magic if it were that easy!
 
Hey Skipling - I just read this and it reminded me of your post :

The Magnesium Miracle

Since Mg regulates the irritability or sensitivity of the nerves & muscles, a deficiency leads to neuromuscular hyperexcitability which can be associated with muscle cramps, twitches, & tremors, tension, tightness, or soreness. It is also associated with various spasms, such as the bronchospasm of asthma, esophageal spasm ( a lump in the throat with difficulty swallowing), the vascular spasm of migraines some forms of hypertension, chest pain & other chronic pain syndromes, the urinary spasms with some forms of urinary problems & bedwetting, the spasms of premature labor & menstrual cramps, & of course the spasms of seizures. The excitability can also be associated with an easy startle response, noise & light sensitivity, numbness & tingling & strange body sensations.
Some of the most dramatic effects of Mg deficiency may occur in the central nervous system such as with the DT’s (delirium tremens) of alcoholism, general anxiety & irritability, nervousness, confusion, tantrums, insomnia, depression, The symptoms can even progress to the point of psychotic proportions. Studies have shown lower Mg in the blood of those with active schizophrenia than in those in remission.

Not sure if Mg deficiency is causing the cobweb sensation or not, but it would probably help your tension. I just got my magnesium chloride flakes/oil a few days ago and I have to tell you, the stuff works great! My wife was kind enough to rub it in deep on my neck and back where I have the most tension and I swear I could almost feel it getting absorbed through my skin. It felt like it really got pulled in deep, and the detail with which I was aware of the muscles and tissue at that part of my back increased. It brought the pain "out" (increased it) initially but after a while it went below previous levels.
 
Seraphina said:
Meager1 said:
Speaking of odd sensations, I have been experiencing one all day today, I wasn`t going to mention it but then thought maybe I should.

I have never felt anything like it before, it is the strangest sensation of internal "rocking" back and forth, while lying down or sitting still. It doesn`t happen if I`m up and moving.

And it`s been confined primarily to the abdominal area. It feels as if I were on a swing and swinging back and forth, though the sensation as I said, is totally abdominal and really defined. I even thought that it felt a little like a wave, like non existent water, rolling back and forth, maybe something like that..

There is no pain, nausea, or anything else associated with this odd sensation ( and not during EE or anything like that ) so I`m wondering if anyone else has been having similar or even different, or odd, bodily sensations just lately, that are completely out of the norm? Just thought I`d ask.
I've had a similiar sensation periodically for years...almost like a slow vibration or kinda feels like a weak earthquake (not that I've ever felt a real earthquake). Sometimes it would happen when meditating or lying in bed. No idea what the heck it is.

There are some forum threads on the Schumann Resonance that may or may not apply to what you are describing.
 

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