Fingerprints in Dutch passports

Snow

Jedi Master
http://www.dutchdailynews.com/fingerprints-in-dutch-passports/

All new Dutch passports will contain two fingerprints from the passport’s owner as part of an EU-wide approach to crack down on identity fraud.

Each person will give four fingerprints when applying for their passport. Two fingerprints will be saved on a microchip on the passport. All four will be stored by the government – initially locally, but ultimately all fingerprints will be included in a central ‘travel document administration.’

With this storage of biometric data the Netherlands is going beyond the requirements of European regulations. The EU only stipulates that biometric data be included on the passport in order to better fight identity fraud in Europe. The Netherlands is the only European member state where a central database of fingerprints has been legally approved – although there are similar plans in Belgium, Finland, France and Greece.

But unlike in other European countries, all the Dutch fingerprints will eventually be held in a central data bank which police will be able to access to help with solving crime. Until the central data base is completed, the information will be stored by local councils.


As of yesterday, all Dutch are criminals. We're, again, one step closer to a totalitarian Dutch state. And what is most telling is that there was no major news covering of this beforehand. No major social debate. The speed and silence with which it was implemented is scary. What scares me even more was that I was completely taken by suprise, even though I count myself an informed person and hear alot of news (talk about a big hole in my awareness).
 
I found this article (from 2006 no less), where they claim that the security of the Dutch biometric passport has already been cracked:

_http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/30/dutch_biometric_passport_crack/
 
Since I am half Serbian half Iraqian I am lucky nobody wants o try to crack my passports :))))
 
Snow said:
http://www.dutchdailynews.com/fingerprints-in-dutch-passports/

All new Dutch passports will contain two fingerprints from the passport’s owner as part of an EU-wide approach to crack down on identity fraud.

Each person will give four fingerprints when applying for their passport. Two fingerprints will be saved on a microchip on the passport. All four will be stored by the government – initially locally, but ultimately all fingerprints will be included in a central ‘travel document administration.’

With this storage of biometric data the Netherlands is going beyond the requirements of European regulations. The EU only stipulates that biometric data be included on the passport in order to better fight identity fraud in Europe. The Netherlands is the only European member state where a central database of fingerprints has been legally approved – although there are similar plans in Belgium, Finland, France and Greece.

But unlike in other European countries, all the Dutch fingerprints will eventually be held in a central data bank which police will be able to access to help with solving crime. Until the central data base is completed, the information will be stored by local councils.


As of yesterday, all Dutch are criminals. We're, again, one step closer to a totalitarian Dutch state. And what is most telling is that there was no major news covering of this beforehand. No major social debate. The speed and silence with which it was implemented is scary. What scares me even more was that I was completely taken by suprise, even though I count myself an informed person and hear alot of news (talk about a big hole in my awareness).

I know :cry: I still need to ''update'' my passport... I don't wanna give em my fingerprints, but would it matter a lot if I would? :( I guess I have no choice..
 
Oxajil said:
I know :cry: I still need to ''update'' my passport... I don't wanna give em my fingerprints, but would it matter a lot if I would? :( I guess I have no choice..

Me too. I too have to update my passport, because it expires at the end of the year and I have go abroad at the end of the year. I am looking into a limited duration ID card (one year). I read somewhere that you do not need to give fingerprints for that. I still have to check if it is true and if it is accepted where I need to travel this year...

I think in the short run it wouldn't matter (fingerprints are still stored locally), but in the long run when the national database is up & running....
 
Snow said:
Me too. I too have to update my passport, because it expires at the end of the year and I have go abroad at the end of the year. I am looking into a limited duration ID card (one year). I read somewhere that you do not need to give fingerprints for that. I still have to check if it is true and if it is accepted where I need to travel this year...

Hmm interesting, what is it called in Dutch? Then I could do some researching as well. I guess you're traveling to a country that is not possible for you to travel with only your ID card? Because you can also travel to many countries with just your ID, on the back of the card it says which countries you can go to. (But I guess you know that already)

Snow said:
I think in the short run it wouldn't matter (fingerprints are still stored locally), but in the long run when the national database is up & running....

Hmm ye. I think I'll pass on the updating..
 
Oxajil said:
Hmm interesting, what is it called in Dutch? Then I could do some researching as well. I guess you're traveling to a country that is not possible for you to travel with only your ID card? Because you can also travel to many countries with just your ID, on the back of the card it says which countries you can go to. (But I guess you know that already)

This what I found (in Dutch):

V: Waarom krijg ik bij een tijdelijke beperking slechts een reisdocument met een geldigheidsduur van 1 jaar?

A:
In reisdocumenten met een geldigheidsduur van een jaar of korter hoeven geen vingerafdrukken te worden opgenomen. Dat vloeit voort uit de verordening (EG) nr. 444/2009 van het Europees Parlement en de Raad van 28 mei 2009 tot wijziging van Verordening (EG) nr. 2252/2004 van de Raad betreffende normen voor de veiligheidskenmerken van en biometrische gegevens in door de lidstaten afgegeven paspoorten en reisdocumenten. In deze Verordening is geregeld dat er vingerafdrukken moeten worden opgenomen in de reisdocumenten van de lidstaten van de Europese Unie.


For more information check this website: _http://www.paspoortinformatie.nl/

I need to check if I am able to receive such a travel document. I also read somewhere that you have to have a permanent or temporary disability that prevent you from giving fingerprints in order to receive such a travel document.
 
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