Flouride Issue

[Deleted member 8431]

The best thing to do is get a reverse osmosis filter for your home. When you are out or at work and in an emergency, you could drink bottled water, usually they have machines that sell it in public places. I know you run the risk of the plastic leaching out of the bottle, so it's a crap shoot. I do believe Aquafina does not contain fluoride, I did some research one time and I believe they used reverse osmosis on it. At least at that time.

A reverse osmosis filter is indeed the best. There is no better and easier way to purify water that I know of at home. The pores of the membrane can be a small as 0.1 nm so this will filter out any microorgamism and many elements.

Fluoride ions have a relative radii of 0.119 nm so 0.238 nm diameter so it might be good to keep that in mind when choosing the proper membrane's pore size. 0.1 nm would be the best of course but it might be more expensive and I don't really know if it's available on portable/home systems.

Aquafina water, at least here in Canada is bottled tap water from Ontario that went through a reverse osmosis filtration and that has been ozonized. But as I am looking at one at the moment (on google image), I can that there seems to be traces of fluoride in it (0.3 ppm). So I would avoid it.

Very personally, I would avoid (if possible of course) any form of bottled water that comes from public distribution (like Aquafina, Dasani, Nestlé etc). Regular tap water is just atrocious to begin with (unless is it directly spring or well water like in very small remote villages). It contains so much crap like pharmaceuticals, hydrocarbons, heavy metals, volitile organic compounds and all sorts of other disgusting chemicals. That's because a regular water treatement plant will only remove turbidity (particles), color, taste (more or less) and microorganisms. So even if bottled water is further filtered by reverse osmosis, nothing indicates me that it is really purified.

Hope it helps.

Peace.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Very personally, I would avoid (if possible of course) any form of bottled water that comes from public distribution (like Aquafina, Dasani, Nestlé etc). Regular tap water is just atrocious to begin with (unless is it directly spring or well water like in very small remote villages). It contains so much crap like pharmaceuticals, hydrocarbons, heavy metals, volitile organic compounds and all sorts of other disgusting chemicals. That's because a regular water treatement plant will only remove turbidity (particles), color, taste (more or less) and microorganisms. So even if bottled water is further filtered by reverse osmosis, nothing indicates me that it is really purified.

I hear ya. I just meant that if you had a choice of only drinking fully fluoridated tap water or bottled tap water with maybe less fluoride... kinda like the lessor of two evils...

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Very personally, I would avoid (if possible of course) any form of bottled water that comes from public distribution (like Aquafina, Dasani, Nestlé etc). Regular tap water is just atrocious to begin with (unless is it directly spring or well water like in very small remote villages). It contains so much crap like pharmaceuticals, hydrocarbons, heavy metals, volitile organic compounds and all sorts of other disgusting chemicals. That's because a regular water treatement plant will only remove turbidity (particles), color, taste (more or less) and microorganisms. So even if bottled water is further filtered by reverse osmosis, nothing indicates me that it is really purified.

I hear ya. I just meant that if you had a choice of only drinking fully fluoridated tap water or bottled tap water with maybe less fluoride... kinda like the lessor of two evils...

Absolutely. Sometimes the only thing we can do is to rely on the less evil as you nicely put it.

Quick annecdote, since this is my area of study, last week we went to visit a water treatment facility and surely enough, these guys add fluoride to the water because "it's good for teeth". No need to tell you I got a knot in the stomach at that point. But it's no use to argue with these guys. They have absolutely no idea about how bad tap water is and even what's really in there. -_-

Peace.

 

[chaps23]

Very personally, I would avoid (if possible of course) any form of bottled water that comes from public distribution (like Aquafina, Dasani, Nestlé etc). Regular tap water is just atrocious to begin with (unless is it directly spring or well water like in very small remote villages). It contains so much crap like pharmaceuticals, hydrocarbons, heavy metals, volitile organic compounds and all sorts of other disgusting chemicals. That's because a regular water treatement plant will only remove turbidity (particles), color, taste (more or less) and microorganisms. So even if bottled water is further filtered by reverse osmosis, nothing indicates me that it is really purified.

I hear ya. I just meant that if you had a choice of only drinking fully fluoridated tap water or bottled tap water with maybe less fluoride... kinda like the lessor of two evils...

Absolutely. Sometimes the only thing we can do is to rely on the less evil as you nicely put it.

Quick annecdote, since this is my area of study, last week we went to visit a water treatment facility and surely enough, these guys add fluoride to the water because "it's good for teeth". No need to tell you I got a knot in the stomach at that point. But it's no use to argue with these guys. They have absolutely no idea about how bad tap water is and even what's really in there. -_-

Peace.

I have to disagree, Fluoride is about as toxic as it gets and greatly affects your body even in small doses. There are many waters out there flouride free I have been using a natural sring's water and mix it half and half with Nobel's Pureau http://noblebeverages.com/ it makes it taste much less metallic and is about as clean as water can be.

There would be many more if you looked for it. Reverse osmosis filters are getting cheap now days too at $300 AUS a pop, you cant put a price on your health.

Best Regards,

Brent.

 

[Aurgo]

I think JayMark is of the same opinion there Chaps, and the R.O units are getting cheap!
If you have a look at water filter world they have a portable one on sale, I'm not 100% on the quality of the product but if it is of good quality you will probably have to buy some additional cartridges to re-mineralise the water.
The last couple of jobs I've been on (FIFO) have been supplied by bore water, so part of the contract was to set up R.O units for the client to serve as the filter for all the accommodation, when the guys finally got the ph right, the water was beautiful!

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Very personally, I would avoid (if possible of course) any form of bottled water that comes from public distribution (like Aquafina, Dasani, Nestlé etc). Regular tap water is just atrocious to begin with (unless is it directly spring or well water like in very small remote villages). It contains so much crap like pharmaceuticals, hydrocarbons, heavy metals, volitile organic compounds and all sorts of other disgusting chemicals. That's because a regular water treatement plant will only remove turbidity (particles), color, taste (more or less) and microorganisms. So even if bottled water is further filtered by reverse osmosis, nothing indicates me that it is really purified.

I hear ya. I just meant that if you had a choice of only drinking fully fluoridated tap water or bottled tap water with maybe less fluoride... kinda like the lessor of two evils...

Absolutely. Sometimes the only thing we can do is to rely on the less evil as you nicely put it.

Quick annecdote, since this is my area of study, last week we went to visit a water treatment facility and surely enough, these guys add fluoride to the water because "it's good for teeth". No need to tell you I got a knot in the stomach at that point. But it's no use to argue with these guys. They have absolutely no idea about how bad tap water is and even what's really in there. -_-

Peace.

I have to disagree, Fluoride is about as toxic as it gets and greatly affects your body even in small doses. There are many waters out there flouride free I have been using a natural sring's water and mix it half and half with Nobel's Pureau http://noblebeverages.com/ it makes it taste much less metallic and is about as clean as water can be.

There would be many more if you looked for it. Reverse osmosis filters are getting cheap now days too at $300 AUS a pop, you cant put a price on your health.

Best Regards,

Brent.

What exactly do you disagree with? You aren't really telling me anything here that I disagree with or that I've tried to dismiss in any way through any of my posts. If I didn't think fluoride was toxic even at low doses do you really think I would have warned Mrs. Peel about Aquafina water exactly because it contains a low dose of fluoride despite the fact it has been filtered by reverse osmosis?

The only thing this statement means (the one you put in bold) is that if you are one of those people that does not have access to the best solution possible in regards to any form of issue (be it water, food, air quality, EMF exposure etc) you should always still aim for the less evil of them even if it could theorically be better (it can always be better so to speak, we just can't always afford it).

I'm just trying to be as objective as possible by considering all the possibilities. I know health is priceless but unfortunately, we are stuck in a system that does not think so at all so not everyone does have access to natural spring water for their needs and/or a reverse osmosis filtration unit.

Anyhow, no harm taken (nor intended of course). I must admit that your post is a bit confusing to my eyes. I feel that you may have missunderstood my whole point.

Peace.

 

[chaps23]

Very personally, I would avoid (if possible of course) any form of bottled water that comes from public distribution (like Aquafina, Dasani, Nestlé etc). Regular tap water is just atrocious to begin with (unless is it directly spring or well water like in very small remote villages). It contains so much crap like pharmaceuticals, hydrocarbons, heavy metals, volitile organic compounds and all sorts of other disgusting chemicals. That's because a regular water treatement plant will only remove turbidity (particles), color, taste (more or less) and microorganisms. So even if bottled water is further filtered by reverse osmosis, nothing indicates me that it is really purified.

I hear ya. I just meant that if you had a choice of only drinking fully fluoridated tap water or bottled tap water with maybe less fluoride... kinda like the lessor of two evils...

Absolutely. Sometimes the only thing we can do is to rely on the less evil as you nicely put it.

Quick annecdote, since this is my area of study, last week we went to visit a water treatment facility and surely enough, these guys add fluoride to the water because "it's good for teeth". No need to tell you I got a knot in the stomach at that point. But it's no use to argue with these guys. They have absolutely no idea about how bad tap water is and even what's really in there. -_-

Peace.

I have to disagree, Fluoride is about as toxic as it gets and greatly affects your body even in small doses. There are many waters out there flouride free I have been using a natural sring's water and mix it half and half with Nobel's Pureau http://noblebeverages.com/ it makes it taste much less metallic and is about as clean as water can be.

There would be many more if you looked for it. Reverse osmosis filters are getting cheap now days too at $300 AUS a pop, you cant put a price on your health.

Best Regards,

Brent.

What exactly do you disagree with? You aren't really telling me anything here that I disagree with or that I've tried to dismiss in any way through any of my posts. If I didn't think fluoride was toxic even at low doses do you really think I would have warned Mrs. Peel about Aquafina water exactly because it contains a low dose of fluoride despite the fact it has been filtered by reverse osmosis?

The only thing this statement means (the one you put in bold) is that if you are one of those people that does not have access to the best solution possible in regards to any form of issue (be it water, food, air quality, EMF exposure etc) you should always still aim for the less evil of them even if it could theorically be better (it can always be better so to speak, we just can't always afford it).

I'm just trying to be as objective as possible by considering all the possibilities. I know health is priceless but unfortunately, we are stuck in a system that does not think so at all so not everyone does have access to natural spring water for their needs and/or a reverse osmosis filtration unit.

Anyhow, no harm taken (nor intended of course). I must admit that your post is a bit confusing to my eyes. I feel that you may have missunderstood my whole point.

Peace.

same here, I think I misread Mrs peel's post for yours and jumbled the two together. My bad.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

No problem.

It happens to the best of us. ;)

 

[meta-agnostic]

I haven't been able to find a flouride-free toothpaste. :(

I don't know that particular brands matter much as far as fluoride-free toothpaste, just that it clearly states on the label it is fluoride free. A "health food" store (whatever exactly that means, but you know it when you see it) is your best bet, they usually have several brands. If you don't have a health food store near you, many big supermarket chains usually have a health food section and the fluoride free toothpaste will likely be in this section as opposed to with the other toothpaste. At least this is what I've seen in the U.S. I haven't even bothered to check in Wal-Mart and other such big box discount stores. I assume they might have Tom's of Maine if you're lucky. Even with them you still have to read the label carefully since they have fluoridated varieties. I saw Tom's displayed near the checkout at a supermarket recently but they appeared to all be fluoridated. :(

 

[United Gnosis]

I think that toothpaste is one of the obvious personal hygiene products whose contents should be carefully monitored, even if it did not contain fluoride. I find it much easier - and still cheaper - to make it myself.

A mix of coconut oil and teatree oil works quite fine (and works great as deodorant too!) while a pinch of bentonite clay or baking soda on top of the toothbrush is perfect if abrasive action is needed. No fluoride and controlled quality!