Foot pain

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monotonic

The Living Force
Hello all. I was inspired by a recent comment to post about this:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33064.msg483846.html#msg483846

I have always liked to try to run up walls. I just find it fun. I would do this as much as I could when I was younger and had an opportunity - adults don't seem to like it :P! At one point in grade school I started to have a pain in my foot under the arch that stopped me from doing this. I've had it at times in both feet, but it's almost always my right foot.

It might flare up after lots of activity, if I stretch my foot , or if anything presses into my arch. From that point on, any activity seems to aggravate it. It's frustrating because it prevents me from exerting myself, and can make it harder to get up stairs.

So, has anyone else had experience with this sort of thing? Any advice?
 
Hi monotonic,

I do some other things with my foot pain as well:

A few years ago I had a bad case of tennis ellbow on the right side. At some point I was unable to lift a glass, such was the pain. I injected some steroids into the painful area - and lo and behold, within a week the pain was gone. Only to return after 6 months again. So I injected some more steroids into the area - same effect, gone, only to return this time after two months. So I started to look for alternatives. I asked an orthopedic surgeon for advice, and he told me, that he has had good results with autologous (that is your own) blood injection. Normally tennis ellbow is called "tendinitis", with "-itis" referring to inflammation. He said that postmortem studies had shown that tennis ellbow was not an "-itis", but an "-osis", which refers to a degenerative process. The blood injection seems to have a double effect: one, it creates an inflammation, and two, it furnishes the tissues with precursor cells. So instead of trying to suppress the inflammation (with steroids) the blood creates an inflammation, which regenerates the tendon. After doing around half a dozen injections into the most painful spot (in two weeks intervals), the tennis ellbow was gone.

In analogy to the tennis ellbow, I have started to do the same in my foot. However this is not for the faint of heart: the tissues of the foot are quite tense and injecting any amount of blood is very painful. Also there is always a risk of infection - blood being an ideal culture medium for bacteria.

But if all other options have been tried in vain, this might be an approach to consider. And of course to find out what emotional state is causing the problem ...
 
Thanks for the info.

I suppose, if I was straining that part of my foot while doing something physically strenuous to dissociate from an intense emotion, the energy could have been driven into my foot where it's been blocking the normal biological processes?
 
Another thing that I forgot to mention is Spiraldynamik - a technique developed by a Swiss doctor Christian Larsen and a French physiotherapist Yolante Deswart (see here.

According to some friends who did this, it is very effective, but takes quite some discipline and time to practice the exercises. Not sure if you can find a practitioner in your area. There are good books in German, unfortunately I haven't been able to find any in English.
 
nicklebleu said:
Hi monotonic,

I do some other things with my foot pain as well:

A few years ago I had a bad case of tennis ellbow on the right side. At some point I was unable to lift a glass, such was the pain. I injected some steroids into the painful area - and lo and behold, within a week the pain was gone. Only to return after 6 months again. So I injected some more steroids into the area - same effect, gone, only to return this time after two months. So I started to look for alternatives. I asked an orthopedic surgeon for advice, and he told me, that he has had good results with autologous (that is your own) blood injection. Normally tennis ellbow is called "tendinitis", with "-itis" referring to inflammation. He said that postmortem studies had shown that tennis ellbow was not an "-itis", but an "-osis", which refers to a degenerative process. The blood injection seems to have a double effect: one, it creates an inflammation, and two, it furnishes the tissues with precursor cells. So instead of trying to suppress the inflammation (with steroids) the blood creates an inflammation, which regenerates the tendon. After doing around half a dozen injections into the most painful spot (in two weeks intervals), the tennis ellbow was gone.

In analogy to the tennis ellbow, I have started to do the same in my foot. However this is not for the faint of heart: the tissues of the foot are quite tense and injecting any amount of blood is very painful. Also there is always a risk of infection - blood being an ideal culture medium for bacteria.

But if all other options have been tried in vain, this might be an approach to consider. And of course to find out what emotional state is causing the problem ...
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Really?? WOW. Seeing that you are a Doctor i assume you did this yourself. Do you just withdraw blood from a vein, and then inject it into muscle? I also experience tendonitis. I always thought that it was the cartilege that was the problem?
 
davey72 said:
Really?? WOW. Seeing that you are a Doctor i assume you did this yourself. Do you just withdraw blood from a vein, and then inject it into muscle? I also experience tendonitis. I always thought that it was the cartilege that was the problem?
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Yes, I did it myself ... I just withdrew 2cc of blood from a vein and injected this into the most painful area. Tendinitis hasn't anything to do with cartilage, but with tendons. Cartilage is the stuff that is coating the joints to make the bones run smoothly against each other. It can be quite hard to inject blood into the tendons, and you may have to do multiple injections in different directions and depths to be able to inject around 2cc.

Probably best to find a medical practitioner willing to give this a try, it could open up a whole new way for him/ her to treat a frequent condition that often becomes chronic due to the lack of real treatment alternatives.

Hope that helps.
 
nicklebleu said:
davey72 said:
Really?? WOW. Seeing that you are a Doctor i assume you did this yourself. Do you just withdraw blood from a vein, and then inject it into muscle? I also experience tendonitis. I always thought that it was the cartilege that was the problem?
Click to expand...

Yes, I did it myself ... I just withdrew 2cc of blood from a vein and injected this into the most painful area. Tendinitis hasn't anything to do with cartilage, but with tendons. Cartilage is the stuff that is coating the joints to make the bones run smoothly against each other. It can be quite hard to inject blood into the tendons, and you may have to do multiple injections in different directions and depths to be able to inject around 2cc.

Probably best to find a medical practitioner willing to give this a try, it could open up a whole new way for him/ her to treat a frequent condition that often becomes chronic due to the lack of real treatment alternatives.

Hope that helps.
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actually not sure what i was thinking, but i meant to say tendon. Due to the difficulty the Doctor had giving me an injection of cortisol, i imagine it would be doubly difficult to do it oneself.

How long have you had relief since this injection, and how long is this projected outcome?

EDIT: also another question i have is what would a person use, and where would he find it if he was wanting to withdraw blood from himself for the purposes of getting rid of Iron? This of course being if he didn't have ready access to a blood bank, or Doctor for these purposes.
 
davey72 said:
nicklebleu said:
davey72 said:
Really?? WOW. Seeing that you are a Doctor i assume you did this yourself. Do you just withdraw blood from a vein, and then inject it into muscle? I also experience tendonitis. I always thought that it was the cartilege that was the problem?
Click to expand...

Yes, I did it myself ... I just withdrew 2cc of blood from a vein and injected this into the most painful area. Tendinitis hasn't anything to do with cartilage, but with tendons. Cartilage is the stuff that is coating the joints to make the bones run smoothly against each other. It can be quite hard to inject blood into the tendons, and you may have to do multiple injections in different directions and depths to be able to inject around 2cc.

Probably best to find a medical practitioner willing to give this a try, it could open up a whole new way for him/ her to treat a frequent condition that often becomes chronic due to the lack of real treatment alternatives.

Hope that helps.
Click to expand...

actually not sure what i was thinking, but i meant to say tendon. Due to the difficulty the Doctor had giving me an injection of cortisol, i imagine it would be doubly difficult to do it oneself.

How long have you had relief since this injection, and how long is this projected outcome?

EDIT: also another question i have is what would a person use, and where would he find it if he was wanting to withdraw blood from himself for the purposes of getting rid of Iron? This of course being if he didn't have ready access to a blood bank, or Doctor for these purposes.
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I can't really see where the difficulty is ... and steroid injections don't work in the long term, it's a short term fix and will likely come back. Studies have shown that after a steroid iniection patients fare better after 6 months, but worse after 12 months compared to no steroids.

I had to do around half a dozen of these injections until the condition was permanently removed (on both sides).

As to draw blood for iron reduction, all you need is a collection bag and a wide bore cannula (16G or 18G), which are obtainable from medical suppliers (you can even get that stuff on eBay sometimes). It depends on local health regulations if you have to be a medical practitioner to buy these things or not. Alternatively you could buy a 50cc syringe with LUER LOCK on eBay and draw the blood 6 - 8 times like that ...

Hope this helps.
 
Monotomic,

If you are still being bothered by pain since grade school, maybe there is something more serious going on with your right foot. You could have a torn tendon or possibly the plantar fascia could be injured in some way. I would consult with an orthopedic surgeon about this. They will most likely order a MRI to determine if there is any damage.
You could unconsciously be shifting weight to your left foot causing it to carry the load, in turn aggravating it. Listen to your body when it talks to you and try to leave running up the walls to Spiderman.
 
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