French Presidential Elections 2017: Fillon vs Macron vs Le Pen

nicklebleu said:
angelburst29 said:
EDITOR’S NOTE: His campaign slogan is ‘En Marche‘, which when translated to English means ‘Move On’. Just like the name of the Soros-sponsored moveon.org. [/b] Hmmm.

I think this is not a correct translation. "En marche" translates more into "On the move", which seems to be a minor correction, but I think there is a distinct difference between "Move On" and "On the Move". So while there might well be a connection between Macron and Soros, I don't think that we can put too much into the similarity between the two slogans.

Agree with you nicklebleu. "Move on" and "On the move" are not the same thing in french.
 
New article from Thierry Meyssan. Very insightful.

After having successively elected an agent of the CIA and an employee of the emirs of the Gulf to the Presidency of the French Republic, the French have been ripped off a third time, this time by an Israeli product. They believe that they have chased away the spectre of fascism by voting for a candidate supported by NATO, the Rothschilds, all the companies of the CAC40 and the unanimous Press. Far from understanding their mistake, they are still in a trance, and will probably not wake up before the end of the general elections.


As soon as his victory was announced, democratically elected President Emmanuel Macron defined a distance between himself and the People. Refusing to mingle with the crowd, he took a long, solitary walk across the courtyard of the Louvre where his supporters were gathered.

The team of elected French President Emmanuel Macron has managed to hypnotise the French nation. They managed to fabricate the election of their protégé with two thirds of the votes cast – a young man, only 39 years old, whose party was created on the Internet just one year ago, and who had until then never stood in any election.

Steele & Holt

This exploit was realised by the team of Steele & Holt, a mysterious company whose name refers to the TV series Remington Steele, a police procedural in which the director of a detective agency asks a thief (Pierce Brosnan) to play the rôle of her boss in order to serve as her cover.

Don’t bother trying to find out who is hiding behind this company – you’ll find nothing. Except for the fact that its two main clients are AXA and the Rothschild family. Everyone knows that Emmanuel Macron worked for the Rothschilds, but it’s a well-guarded secret that they organised his party. As for the insurance company AXA, it is presided by Henri de La Croix, fifth Duke of Castries, who is also president of the NATO think-tank (the Bilderberg group), the Bosphorus Institute (Turkey’s think-tank) and, in France, the Institut Montaigne (a right-wing think-tank).

Henry Kissinger also incidentally invited Macron to the annual meeting of the Bilderberg group in 2014, along with François Baroin and Christine Lagarde.

The Bosphorus Institute made it possible to identify and corrupt various personalities from the right and the left who lent their support to Macron.

The first meetings of the new party were held in the offices of the Institut Montaigne, whose headquarters were declared as the personal address of the Institut’s director.

Kadima !

The name of the new party - En Marche !, was chosen in order to have the same initials as its candidate. Otherwise, it would have been called En Avant ! In Hebrew - Kadima ! When it was pointed out to general Ariel Sharon that the name of his new party evoked the name of Mussolini’s party - Avanti ! - he retorted that that was not the case at all. En Avant ! was the order he gave to each of his special teams, for example when he invaded Beirut against the advice of his military staff.

Kadima ! and En Marche ! are centrist parties assembling personalities from the right and the left. Ariel Sharon was a well-known « centrist » who created his party in order to break away from Benjamin Netanyahu. Sharon was a colonialist who wanted to create a Palestinian state on the model of the South African Bantustans. For him, apartheid was the only way to preserve Israël. On the other hand, Netanyahu is a Talmudist. He refuses to accept the idea of sharing Palestine with the goyim. For him, they must be expelled, if they can’t be exterminated.

We will no doubt learn later why Macron wanted to break with the Socialist Prime Minister, Manuel Valls. For the moment, it’s enough to note the insistance with which Valls attempted to join En Marche ! and the flippancy with which Macron rejected him, to see that there is a serious conflict between them.

Fascism En Marche

In order to launch Macron, Steele & Holt – in other words NATO and the Rothschilds – relied on the old pro-US network of the Fondation Saint-Simon. Together, they staged the « peril Le Pen », so that many electors who are strongly opposed to Macron nonetheless voted for him for fear of a possible victory by the « foul beast ». Since there was little for which they could blame Marine Le Pen, they accused her of the crimes of her father... and many others.

This manipulation shows that in our « showbiz society », form is more important than content. Indeed, what are the characteristics of fascism ? The end of the class struggle, thanks to corporatism, which unites bosses and workers in the same organisations, the end of the right-left dialectic thanks to a unique party, and consequently, the end of all opposition by the use of force.

While the first of these three characteristics might have been applied to the vision of Jean-Marie Le Pen, none of them are valid for his daughter – however, the first two are applicable to the vision of Emmanuel Macron. He is supported by all the major bosses of the CAC40, as well as by the CGT. He does not question the capacity of the right- and left-wing parties to defend the values to which they claim to adhere, but calls their leaders to join him in his party to defend their common interests. There can be no doubt that if the general elections go the way Macron hopes, the destruction of the opposition will begin. Indeed, the unanimous support of the written Press for candidate Macron, and the campaign against dissenting Internet sites, give us a taste of things to come.

History repeats itself – in 1940, the French supported Philippe Petain in order to preserve themselves from Nazism, but it was Petain who installed fascism. In 2017, they voted for Macron in order to preserve themselves from fascism, yet he will be the one who installs it.

A hijacked campaign

It’s true that some electors were disturbed both by the unusual personality of the candidates and by a wealth of propaganda methods which have never been used in Europe since the Second World War.

At the age of 15, Emmanuel Macron had a sexual relation with his drama teacher, who was 23 years older, moved in with her, and then married her 15 years later. Marine Le Pen inherited the presidency of her party from her father – she first of all cleaned it up, and then excluded him from it. In psychoanalytical terms, Macron married his mother, and Le Pen killed her father.

Above all, Emmanuel Macron’s team did not hesitate to accuse his rivals of the worst forms of treason, without any logic, certain that the local and national Press – which it already controls in its entirety – would not dare to express the slightest criticism. The right-wing candidate, François Fillon, is now perceived as a thief, although not one of the accusations levelled against him has been verified. Marine Le Pen is considered to be the incarnation of fascism, although she has never supported the positions with which she is charged.

A solitary victory

As soon as his election was announced, President Macron gave a short speech from his campaign headquarters – a string of platitudes pronounced with the ponderous demeanour of a man who has suddenly felt the weight of his responsibilities descend upon his fragile shoulders. Then he offered himself a new moment of theatre with his supporters in the courtyard of the Louvre. He crossed Paris in a procession of limousines with tinted windows. He took a long, solitary, inaccessible walk across the courtyard of the Louvre to climb onto the podium which had been built in his honour. There, at the base of the pyramid, like Bonaparte, he delivered a new speech, once again consisting of verbiage, but this time in a frenzied tone - a man who has never seen combat. Finally, he gathered together with his family and a few militants to sing La Marseillaise.

Contrary to all his predecessors, at no time during this evening did he shake any hands. No-one was ever allowed to approach him. He allowed none of the political personalities who had supported him to appear alongside him and share his victory. They will only be able to collect the bounty of the betrayal of their respective parties by betraying them again and supporting him during the general elections in June.

It will only be when President Macron has a firm grasp on all the reins of power that he will allow France to wake up. It will be too late.

Forward, march !

Source: http://www.voltairenet.org/article196311.html
 
Altair said:
New article from Thierry Meyssan. Very insightful.

After having successively elected an agent of the CIA and an employee of the emirs of the Gulf to the Presidency of the French Republic, the French have been ripped off a third time, this time by an Israeli product. They believe that they have chased away the spectre of fascism by voting for a candidate supported by NATO, the Rothschilds, all the companies of the CAC40 and the unanimous Press. Far from understanding their mistake, they are still in a trance, and will probably not wake up before the end of the general elections.


Notice that during Macron's solitary (and some may say megalomaniac) march in the Louvres, it was not the French anthem that was played but the European anthem! (Beethoven's Ode To Joy)
 
I finally got around to watching Macaroon's presidential speech. Just from the way he talks and the vocabulary he uses, I'd say he sounds like an 80 year old football coach, in a 30 y.o body, with a mix of Chancellor Sutler from V for Vendetta. He sure makes a lot of those "choppy" gestures with his hands, that are said to be an indication of psychopathy. He mentions the word "truth" a lot, as if he was trying to compensate for the lies he tells and will tell.

He managed to talk for 15 mins without saying anything. He didn't even bother to learn how to sing the Marseillaise beforehand. Notice how he was mumbling? And when he tried to put his right hand on his heart for singing, he kept moving it, ending up kind of around there, but not quite. Maybe it's normal for heartless people! :lol:

Interesting that he mentioned business men, farmers, etc. (a whole list of professions he was supposedly addressing himself to), but only when he said "students" could you hear cheering in the background. In other words, only young and gullible peeps were there.

The only time when I thought he was being honest for a second was when he said "I know what I owe". Maybe he was thinking of names such as Rothchild, Soros.... He sure must owe them a lot.

All in all, with that guy "in power", I think we should rather say "Sur-Vive la France!" :cry: :rolleyes:
 
Excellent analysis all over this thread, opening our eyes.
The link with swiss tunnel inauguration is interesting and scaring.
"Sur-Vive la France!" Well seen Chu!
 
thorbiorn said:
Avala said:
I really don't think that the people of France will live THAT worse than today. Never forget that they are "the western world", so together with Germany and Britain they will always live better than the rest of the world. Just think "western values" "European union" and similar advertising crap. People of France, Germany and Britain are the "shop window", so forget east Europe, Balkans, Spain, or Middle East for them. Plus, having in mind what kind of choices they made in the past, especially their imperialistic, colonial past, they indeed are living much better than the rest.
That may be, but for how long? Have you noticed that modern society has a very sensitive infrastructure. As more and more services get digitalized they also become vulnurable. I live in a pretty cashless society. It has happened that I went to the local market and it was empty, because the electronic payment options were down. Only cash. Or that the national public netconnection system was down, and nobody could get to the banks, nobody could get services from the municipality etc, buy ticket for the train only for half a day or a few hours, but still.

If we had asked the people of the Sovjet Union in the late eighties what the would expect in the next 10 years, very very very few would have been able to get it right. If we had asked the Ukrainians in late 2013 what the situation in mid 2014 would be like, they would not have been able to predict 10.000 dead due to conflict in just a few month. Maybe France and Western Europe in general will be okay, but the wheel of fortune sometimes takes unexpectedly rapid turns. In fact the history of France has several such examples.

I see that I wasn't precise enough. What I meant is that the "world's elite" who is behind the Macron and alike, the same elite that portrays themselves as the "western's elite", and the same who runs the world will not allow the western Europe (Germany, France and Britain) to live much worse than today. And that has nothing with cash or cashless society. Because those region are their shop-window, their thing for showing of to the world and saying "look, if you are with us, you will live this good, just believe us".

There will be worse time than today, but not that much worse. People will have to sell their second car, will not be able to go to long vacations, but the majority of the people will have enough food, shoes on the feet and clothes. They will be able to move freely. People who live in western Europe very often don't have the idea how real poverty and bad life looks, so any little change is big for them. I have friends from those countries who didn't believe how bad it looks in the some Balkans and Eastern Europe countries before they saw it with their own eyes. They were like "its in Europe, like us, it cant be that bad".
It can.

You said:
I live in a pretty cashless society. It has happened that I went to the local market and it was empty, because the electronic payment options were down. Only cash. Or that the national public netconnection system was down, and nobody could get to the banks, nobody could get services from the municipality etc, buy ticket for the train only for half a day or a few hours, but still.

Imagine that there is no local market, because no one can pay fees for their selling place. Imagine that nobody even goes to the bank, because they don't have any money in the banks (only credits that they cant pay). Imagine that there is no sense in buying the train ticket (on a rare occasion when you do have enough money for that), because the train is canceled or hours late, actually no one knows will it work for days. And so on . . .
 
To elect means to choose or to make a decision... Well to "choose" between the hanging or the execution squad.

From Wiki:

In any election, the phenomenon of abstention can have a significant impact insofar as the vote cast may appear illegitimate if the abstention rate is too high: In this case, voting is no more than an expression of " a minority.
For the American Noam Chomsky: "The elections are conducted by the public relations industry that tout the candidates in the manner of television spots. The goal of marketing is to create uninformed consumers making irrational choices, thereby reversing the existence of markets we have learned to revere, those in which informed consumers make rational choices. The same techniques are used to undermine democracy. "
The frequent use of polls can disrupt public opinion and create among voters the most undecided movements of adherence or rejection based on the false idea that the election is played.

The Band wagon effect - word for word "the wagon where the orchestra is" - suggests that a significant fraction of the undecided is particularly sensitive to the choices already made by others and ultimately decides by " Flying to the rescue of victory »

Some electoral codes more or less strictly regulate the use of polls during an election period, or even prohibit them in the period immediately preceding the polls.
Political scientist Bernard Manin holds the election for an aristocratic concept, since it aims to designate the "best" (aristos)

Others, such as Robert Alan Dahl, Professor Emeritus of Political Science at Yale University, consider that democracy can (and indeed must) function without election, either solely or in part, Drawing of lots by the representatives) or by decision of the whole people (referenda ...)

That leads me to a cult, the cult of plausible lie by Laura, that worth a re-reading with this election in French:
Here then we see the worst feature of the law: it is designed to make the world safe for evil people. In effect the law serves to take the horns away from the bulls, while leaving the lions their teeth and claws. Massive, overwhelming, advantage is placed in the hands of liars. Indeed, without the legal system insuring their safety, the world would be a much more difficult place for evil people.

Everyone knows somewhere deep inside, that there is something not right about our world. In fact, at the present moment, it could hardly be worse. But most people spend their lives avoiding that fact at all cost. The brutal truth is that the our social, cultural, and legal systems are all about making people helpless then hammering them without mercy – all the while involving everyone in the illusion that right prevails.

This is an issue that will never die. It seems impossible to convince people that private behavior cannot be predicted from public behavior. Kind, nonviolent individuals behave well in public, but so do predators, rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and COINTELPRO agents who operate largely to shape and vector “social norms,” or “official culture.”

The beginning here
 
Avala said:
There will be worse time than today, but not that much worse. People will have to sell their second car, will not be able to go to long vacations, but the majority of the people will have enough food, shoes on the feet and clothes. They will be able to move freely. People who live in western Europe very often don't have the idea how real poverty and bad life looks, so any little change is big for them. I have friends from those countries who didn't believe how bad it looks in the some Balkans and Eastern Europe countries before they saw it with their own eyes. They were like "its in Europe, like us, it cant be that bad".
It can.

Just to moderate your view, I will point you that France is not in the good places regarding rates of depression, happiness and so on. Far from it. But your comment made me think about material comfort (your argument) vs others ways to feel more in peace. I think that in France, despite the more comfortable environment (if we forget that a lot have no car nor can afford long vacations) people suffer a lot of pressure from all part and are diverted from some sort of spirituality, that could give a sense to their life or a some relief, because of the sacrosanct secularity and the individualism propaganda that isolate them from one another (with all the connected gadgets that do all the contrary).

And I tend to think that it's precisely because deep inside they know this, but which is socially unacknowledged, that we have this record of antidepressant consumption.
 
Maat said:
Avala said:
There will be worse time than today, but not that much worse. People will have to sell their second car, will not be able to go to long vacations, but the majority of the people will have enough food, shoes on the feet and clothes. They will be able to move freely. People who live in western Europe very often don't have the idea how real poverty and bad life looks, so any little change is big for them. I have friends from those countries who didn't believe how bad it looks in the some Balkans and Eastern Europe countries before they saw it with their own eyes. They were like "its in Europe, like us, it cant be that bad".
It can.

Just to moderate your view, I will point you that France is not in the good places regarding rates of depression, happiness and so on. Far from it. But your comment made me think about material comfort (your argument) vs others ways to feel more in peace. I think that in France, despite the more comfortable environment (if we forget that a lot have no car nor can afford long vacations) people suffer a lot of pressure from all part and are diverted from some sort of spirituality, that could give a sense to their life or a some relief, because of the sacrosanct secularity and the individualism propaganda that isolate them from one another (with all the connected gadgets that do all the contrary).

And I tend to think that it's precisely because deep inside they know this, but which is socially unacknowledged, that we have this record of antidepressant consumption.
Here is some statistics on the use of antidepressants. These numbers were published in 2015 and cover numbers up to 2013.
For the graphs from OECD which also has the number for the year 2000:
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or
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In France it is about 5 % of the population that on average takes antidepressant. This is high, but several other European countries use more.
 
Thank you thorbiorn for these statistics, which give a different perspective from the one stating that France has the "record of antidepressant consumption".
This part of the Earth has a lot of very nice places and very good people. More or less like everywhere on our beautiful planet.

Depending on one's point of view, where and how one lives and what one focus on, there are all kinds of opposite opinions and experiences...
 
Hello, maybe my post is too personal, so the moderators will decide, if that is appropriate.

This is about the confusion about the French elections vote. And as Peter says: "I'm not sure anyone knows the real result of this election, except maybe the chief riggers!".

Perhaps it would be interesting for the members of the forum to vote for a candidate in the first round and second round, not to mention a friend or relative who would have voted.

For me the first round I voted for Melanchon. I hesitated with Asselineau, but I was afraid he would make a small score.
The second round, I did not vote.
 
This video has just resurfaced and is very relevant, the only problem is that it's only in French - 15 minutes

Starting at 6m up to the end the authoer is (slowly) showing pre-results in a couple of french departments. How they tricked the vote is simply incredible. This clip should be viewed by all the french people.
 
I found the original on rutube, which is in fact the first one of 3 clips, here are the 3 links, 15, 15 & 13 minutes :


Such clips should be saved by french people, i don't know if rutube allow to download videos (once you have an account, like it's possible with odysee), they could be useful for future remedial lessons to be given in many homes over the coming years ...
 
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