Frequent neck & shoulder pain

Sorry for the late reply I've been ill!! 2 days of LipoVitC has cured me :D

Laura said:
Maybe you have amoebae? Read the "autoimmune diseases... amoeba" thread.

And probably start taking boron.

I read through the thread and it's quite a scary thought! I've ordered some boron to see if it has any effects.

Thebull said:
I'd recommend a good chiropractor as that's what I did when I had pain in that area but more on my neck/ shoulder left side. He also recommended the gym to strengthen the muscles and I'd agrees core strength is always good.

The exercise I found most helpful was on a lat pull down machine. I'd use one pulley handle so you have a narrow grip with your hands above your head. I had chronic recurrent problems but chiropractic sessions and strengthening exercises have cleared it up.

This is the grip I mean but of course I don't know if you can have access to the lat pull down machine.

http://www.oemfitness.com/assets/images/ddh-1.jpg

I would try to strengthen with light weights especially as it may save you money in the long run.

Or any exercises like this though you said you did yoga so you might have covered this.
http://youtu.be/Jh7ebOiVzEU

I hope this helps and good luck with clearing this up.

Yeah I was thinking of something to do with a chiropractor when I get the money. I started to do weight lifting with the shoulders this week! squats, planks etc...

Aragorn said:

It seems to have nothing to do with my jaw Aragorn, but it's good that you found that out for yourself :) I did try and see if it had any relevance but there's no popping/clicking or tension around that area. The video you posted definitely helps after being sat at a chair most of the day!



Thank you for the advice guys! :)
 
Lilyalic said:
For about a year I've had this strange muscle tension in my neck and shoulder, sometimes it'll feel as though it's in my jaw too. It's on my left side, and I do believe it started since I got an abscess and had all my Mercury fillings removed - I have detoxed many times, been on various probiotics, done metal detoxing, took anti-candida measures etcetc. Infact, now I think about it, it definitely started since all that stuff done with my teeth - I used to have to put DMSO all around the area.
I used to have back problems from 13 as I fell down the stairs on my Coccyx and gained a slightly curved spine from that - the pain from that left completely when I started Paleo in 2013 (compared to everyday) - but I've still got a weak back (it shakes etc when doing exercise)

The times the neck/shoulder hurts are when I'm tired, stressed, eaten fruit or chocolate, drank caffeine - but sometimes it can just randomly happen (OSIT) and it doesn't ALWAYS happen after doing these things either?? Yesterday I didn't experience any pain at all, but as soon as 5pm-6pmcame it just started hurting - and sometimes it takes me a while to get to sleep! It even hurts to touch the actual muscles from right under my left ear, across my muscle towards the shoulder bone and even towards the back. Just that whole left side tends to ache!

I've been going Hot Yoga for a while now, and that sometimes eases the pain but I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this? I've been for deep tissue massages, but every time I go it's like the tension shifts to the other side? a masseuse said it could be caused from the knot on the right side, but it's just strange the way is doesn't hurt when I go and get a massage..


Any advice would be much appreciated!!

Hi Lilyalic,

Well, weak back and the hours of heart indicate the weakness of kidneys. You can do something easy to fortify them>

- when sitting wherever you are, kick off your shoes and try to grab the soil with your toes, inhale, contract your buttocks as if wanting to lift your kidneys, than exhale and relax all muscles. This is to activate your kidneys energy.

- another problem could be the very distribution of energy in the body which became disturbed possible on the left side. Try to do exercises which link left side with right side like turning your head to the left, inhale, then turn to the left and exhale. During this utter the intent to balance light and left.

Of course, there are complex treatments for these, but I thought to give you first some things you can handle by yourself.
Inflammation is highly possible, but this was already addressed.

Get well soon

Joy
 
Thank you everyone for your advice, I have been doing all things suggested and they're all helping. The neck pain is definitely not as frequent as it was when I posted, the Boron I'm taking every day definitely seems to help, also I got a different job that doesn't require 2:30am wake ups! So I think that was having an effect also. :) I've decreased caffeine intake and started doing little bits of exercise everyday.

Thanks again!
 
Glad to hear you are on the mend. Big high five and supportive hug for getting moving every day :clap:. I don't think of myself as "old" but I do have a sendintary job and moving a little Every Day has really been helping me. It's like I don't realize how much stress and tension I hold in my shoulders while I slump over my keyboard until I get up at the end of the day. Then I feel like a creaky staircase.
I don't know what kind of job you have but if you have to sit for long periods, you might want to check out some of this "chair yoga" and I have also found it is helpful to set my phone alarm for every half hour and when it chimes--I stand up and stretch.
Anyway-Glad you are better!
Here's the chair yoga link: http://thehealthylivinglounge.com/2010/01/20/8-of-the-best-office-chair-yoga-exerises/
 
Lilyalic said:
Thank you everyone for your advice, I have been doing all things suggested and they're all helping. The neck pain is definitely not as frequent as it was when I posted, the Boron I'm taking every day definitely seems to help, also I got a different job that doesn't require 2:30am wake ups! So I think that was having an effect also. :) I've decreased caffeine intake and started doing little bits of exercise everyday.

Thanks again!
Great to hear your improving and well done for committing to your self help plan. I would still say even though you've shown great progress. if the money becomes available to you it is worth a visit to a good chiropractor to run it by them when you can.
 
Hi Lilyalic,
I have found in my clinic the most important thing as you have hit upon is reducing stress, becoming aware of how and where we hold tension and guard ourselves. This takes really really breathing well, and choosing the things that makes us feel okay, relaxed movement and purposeful living.
I have been a massage therapist for over a decade and the big changes are made through self awareness. Chiropractors, osteopaths, massage therapists, physiotherapists etc can help to a point. Well done for your own efforts. :thup:
 
gottathink said:
Hi Lilyalic,
I have found in my clinic the most important thing as you have hit upon is reducing stress, becoming aware of how and where we hold tension and guard ourselves. This takes really really breathing well, and choosing the things that makes us feel okay, relaxed movement and purposeful living.
I have been a massage therapist for over a decade and the big changes are made through self awareness. Chiropractors, osteopaths, massage therapists, physiotherapists etc can help to a point. Well done for your own efforts. :thup:
I would agree hold heatedly with this Gottathink. I was a firm believer in the past that stress caused my back problem as well as a whole host of other things. Self awareness and breathing well are essential in life but doing this consistently isn't something people do consistently.

What I found was while Suffering any form of stress. That's when you start to hold yourself differently. The postural changes/such as slouching in your chair, hunched shoulders then cause the physical reaction in the body over a period of time. The only thing other thing I would add to your post is getting the diet in order which imo is the hardest thing.
 
Thebull said:
gottathink said:
Hi Lilyalic,
I have found in my clinic the most important thing as you have hit upon is reducing stress, becoming aware of how and where we hold tension and guard ourselves. This takes really really breathing well, and choosing the things that makes us feel okay, relaxed movement and purposeful living.
I have been a massage therapist for over a decade and the big changes are made through self awareness. Chiropractors, osteopaths, massage therapists, physiotherapists etc can help to a point. Well done for your own efforts. :thup:
I would agree hold heatedly with this Gottathink. I was a firm believer in the past that stress caused my back problem as well as a whole host of other things. Self awareness and breathing well are essential in life but doing this consistently isn't something people do consistently.

What I found was while Suffering any form of stress. That's when you start to hold yourself differently. The postural changes/such as slouching in your chair, hunched shoulders then cause the physical reaction in the body over a period of time. The only thing other thing I would add to your post is getting the diet in order which imo is the hardest thing.

Thank you gottathink and Thebull :) I will eventually be seeing a chiropractor, I'm sure they'll have a lot to say about my posture!
Getting the diet in order is one of the hardest things, but once you've actually got there it's not so hard anymore! I couldn't imagine eating any gluten or any kind of foods that inflame me... except from the odd weekend off 85% chocolate and maybe some fruit :D

Thanks again!! :D
 
The Bull, Yes well added '
The only thing other thing I would add to your post is getting the diet in order which imo is the hardest thing.

It is the sugar/carbohydrates that really really creates that inflammation and then the tissues become quite sticky, so Lilyliac keep diet well in mind and perhaps pretty much on the top the list. It is very easy to think that ones diet can't possibly have that much effect, it does!
 
Aragorn said:
Hi Lilyalic, sorry to hear about your problems. This is just my educated guess, but your problem sounds like it could be related to your jaw (not kididng!). I've had a lot of similar pain that you describe, and addressing my jaw problems has been a big help.

So, check out that you don't have problem in the jaw: the jaw joint (TMJ). This is best done by a professional (dentist, cranial chiropractor), but you can come a long way learning and trying out some things yourself.

First, a couple of questions:

- Do you experience tension in the TMJ (temporomandibular joint). Start to observe your jaw - are you tensing your jaw (e.g. when you speak)?

-Do you experience teeth grinding (usually at night; you might not notice this yourself), clicking or popping noises when opening your jaw (wide open)?

-Is there any skewness when you open your jaw wide open (the tip of the mandible doesn't follow a straight downward line)?

Excessive tension in the TMJ can put the whole body out of balance, and cause enormous pain in the spine, neck, shoulders, give you migraine etc. A good start would be to check out this video series, where it is explained how the jaw works and what the usual problems are - part 1 here:

https://youtu.be/8MKx5c0BRrQ

One of the things you learn by watching that, is that an imbalanced bite can cause the jaw to be drawn backward (that’s called a posteriorised jaw joint), which stresses the jaw muscles. An imbalanced bite can be a structural/genetic condition that you’ve had since being born. Or, as it often is, it can be the result of well meaning dentistry procedures, where a “perfect” occlusion (the coming together of the teeth) is achieved by various methods, e.g. removing teeth and installing dental braces or other contraptions.

One of the thing that you can start doing, is to learn how to open you jaw in the right way (as shown in the videos): open the jaw first slightly forward then down-back – to get it to translate correctly. You might find that by training your jaw to open in this “new” way, other symptoms (clicking noises, neck pain, headaches) disappear. Another thing is to check the occlusion of your teeth with a dentist, possibly improving it. Perhaps the removal of your mercury fillings left some "bumps" and unevenness that need to be leveled. Many people I know (myself included) have found relief using a bite splint. You need your dentist to take measures for making one. There are also many exercises you can do to relieve tensions in the TMJ - do a search on YouTube on "TMJ exercises" to find them.

Very closely related to this, is something called tongue thrust. That alone, can be the cause for excessive tensions in the TMJ. In short, tongue thrust is a disorder where you for various reasons have learned a wrong way to swallow and developed the habit of resting the tongue against your lower teeth. It can be surprising to learn, that the correct resting position for the tongue is keeping the tip of your tongue behind the upper gum ridge (just touching it) and slightly aligned with the hard palate. The scientific literature mentions a few possible causes for developing tongue thrust, all during infancy:

-Obstructed nasal pathways (perhaps due to allergies, food sensitivities), leading to 'mouth breathing' instead of 'nose breathing
-Not being nursed (mother's milk), instead being fed with a baby bottle => not learning the correct swallowing pattern
-Tongue tie, also called Ankyloglossia

A good and easy way to try and to correct this, is to strengthen the tongue muscle called styloglossus (a muscle pulling the tongue up/backwards) by doing 'tongue clicking' several times a day. And to learn the correct swallowing pattern, and the correct resting position for the tongue.

For more information check out this article, and this excellent video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZKRT8liqFA

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I agree with others, that finding a good chiropractor is a very good idea. Lastly, check out this video with easy-to-do exercises for neck and shoulder pain, also explaining the importance of a good posture (most of us sit on a chair all day long, which causes problems). I do these exercises daily at work, and they've been very helpful in relieving my pain.



Thank you so much Aragorn, this is really helpfull.

I have shoulder and neck pain on the left side for more then 10 years. Come and goes. The pain start when I was pushing my self on the class of yoga to prove my self that I can do some posture that was very hard. So, because of my ego now I have this problem or rather say challenge. I'm sure that this is connected with my bad breathing and this is the right time to deal with it.

Also, thanks Lilyalic to write about this subject, I saw it right before I begin to be active on the forum but I neglected it.
 
Dakota said:
I have shoulder and neck pain on the left side for more then 10 years. Come and goes. The pain start when I was pushing my self on the class of yoga to prove my self that I can do some posture that was very hard. So, because of my ego now I have this problem or rather say challenge. I'm sure that this is connected with my bad breathing and this is the right time to deal with it.

Also, thanks Lilyalic to write about this subject, I saw it right before I begin to be active on the forum but I neglected it.

Hi Dakota, sorry to hear of your injury!

Have you seen a chiropractor or physiotherapist as it seems you damaged your neck through straining it some time ago?
I'm just wondering whether you are completely off grains/dairy/sugar etc; on the paleo/ketosis diet?

I damaged my lower back from falling down the stairs a few years back, and after starting the paleo diet the pain subsided almost totally.
Also, in relevance to this thread - after taking Boron for a month, and then doing a 10-day protocol of gut healing, these 2-3 weeks are the longest I've been without neck pain. I can even have caffeine or be a bit naughty with chocolate, and still no neck ache. Strange!
 
Lilyalic said:
Hi Dakota, sorry to hear of your injury!
That's good reminder not to push beyond my strenght and abillities, right? ;)

Have you seen a chiropractor or physiotherapist as it seems you damaged your neck through straining it some time ago?
I'm just wondering whether you are completely off grains/dairy/sugar etc; on the paleo/ketosis diet?
No, there is always something else to spend the money :(. I will try to solve my problem with a EE and yoga. Also, I don't eat sugar, milk for 3 months but I still eating dvopek (dried bread or biscuit) from time to time.

After I finish my season work I will start with a detox and I'll try to cleanse myself from virus, bacteria's and protozoa with herbal capsules. In these capsules are combinations of strongest natural antibiotics. I don't know if this therapy will work but I will try and let you know about the results.
 
Dakota said:
No, there is always something else to spend the money :(. I will try to solve my problem with a EE and yoga. Also, I don't eat sugar, milk for 3 months but I still eating dvopek (dried bread or biscuit) from time to time.

After I finish my season work I will start with a detox and I'll try to cleanse myself from virus, bacteria's and protozoa with herbal capsules. In these capsules are combinations of strongest natural antibiotics. I don't know if this therapy will work but I will try and let you know about the results.

Well you could go to your GP and explain your pain, I was referred to a physiotherapist over my back pain for free. Is that available for you?

Good luck with the detoxing! Don't forget to read the Keto thread. :)
 
Yesterday I was reading "Session 15 April 1995" (I love how can I always run in to something that puzzled me):

Q: (L) Is it necessary for me to have surgery to fix my shoulder?

A: Be careful not to be misled.

Q: (L) Is that about the surgery?

A: Yes.
Q: (L) Will my arm get well on its own?

A: Can.

Q: (J) How? (T) You ought to get a second or even a third opinion.

A: Yes. Surgery is profitable.

Q: (L) Can you recommend something that I can do other than surgery?

A: Heat therapy combined with dietary adjustment.

Q: (J) What dietary adjustments?

A: Calcium, manganese, starch cutback and potassium supplement, only use distilled water in order to flush solid obstructions!

Q: (L) Well, that is the most comprehensive piece of physical advice they have ever given. (J) No kidding.



My pain is spreading or sometime "goes" from shoulder to center of my back near the left spatula. This days is much worse then usual because my immune system is gone down (pms is one of the reason). I'm using vitamin C (liposomal, vitamin's b complex, magnesium).
Also, I'm using Ketonal for pain kill just so I can work. But when I'm working I don't feel pain, maybe because my muscles are warm. But after work, in evening pain come back.

p.s. if nothing works I will go to see my doctor, Lilyalic, thanks.
 
I have had long-standing issues in my right shoulder, and had a pretty big flare up in it about 5 months ago. It was difficult to raise my arm over my head, to push out, or to rotate it, with the pain localized in the uppermost region of the shoulder.

The pain made it difficult to sleep at night. DMSO cream eased the inflammation so that I could sleep, but daily routines were still negatively impacted.

A coworker recommended a homeopathic supplement called Formula 303. I ordered that and began taking it about 4 months ago. Around the same time I began practicing the below stretch on a regular basis:


After about a month I no longer needed the DMSO to sleep and stopped using it. However it was still difficult to exercise the way that I had been. Over the last two months I started to do the following routine:


After about 4 months combining those stretches, regular exercise, and the homeopathic remedy I can say that the pain has almost completely vanished. I'm back to being able to use the shoulder as though there'd never been an issue at all.

Not sure what the difference was that really made the difference, but wanted to share the various interventions in case others experienced similar issues.
 
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