friend or foe??

ctw5000

ctw5000

Padawan Learner
I find myself in a situation that could benefit from some external input.
I have a good friend, I have known him for approx 15yrs. A couple years ago he started in with allot of conspiracy theories that he read on the internet by people such as Alex Jones and the like. Alot of us at the time were really worried about him as (at the time) he seemed to be obsessing and spouting off to any and every one he knew. Looking back he seemed to have a lot of accurate knowledge about banking ,imf, nmo, Bilderberg ,medical and military establishments. We have since had discussions about cyclical disasters UFOs, and we both agree it all fits together. He is the only one that I can have these conversations with, and we both agree that we have come to the same point through different ends Me through the paranormal aspect and him through political conspiracies aspect. The problem I have is even though I consider him a good friend I cannot stand being around him! Due to the fact that his arrogance is so huge. He likes to call everyone sheep and look down his nose at everyone not yet woken up. He may be the most selfish individual I know/have ever met! Lately I have been thinking that maybe my programming is causing this severe dislike to possibly keep me away from him and to stop us from sharing ideas. I also have a feeling I've known him in a past life..
Anyone else have this issue?
What are your thoughts?
Thanks
 
Hi ctw5000,

I think the situation you describe is quite common. It's pretty easy for two people to share the same information on topics, yet not be collinear, or going in the same direction spiritually. That sounds like it is probably the case here.

It also sounds like this person may not be all that positive an influence, but it's hard to say without more information. It also might help questioning your motives for wanting to engage in these conversations about fringe subjects too. If you can't stand being around him, why do you still feel the need to engage him in these conversations?
 
ctw5000 said:
The problem I have is even though I consider him a good friend I cannot stand being around him! Due to the fact that his arrogance is so huge.
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Too much Alex Jones?

Otherwise it would seem a little bit normal in the process of awakening. I'm sure many of us had a stand-offish attitude in the past in regards to the information we were assimilating versus those who weren't.

Another reason why doing The Work is so important.
 
we haven t talked about the spirituality aspect of it yet although I have hinted and he was receptive.. We can have very informative conversations from both ends and we re both very opened minded to any and all theories..The main problem is that I can t seem to let go of this nagging feeling(that I have always had of him,15 yrs) that everything that consumes his thoughts are there to feed his ego..When we talk sometimes its not so much exchanging ideas as it is him showing me how much he knows, then when its my turn to comment its like he is just waiting for me to finish so he can continue talking,lol
I believe he is probably he type that the C's talked about without normal emotions and can "tune" other weaker frequencies to there own.
Any way it bothers me because I have this disdain that I cannot put my finger on fully, yet its my only source of face to face networking.
Thanks for the input.
 
I should also probably repeat that we are good friends, and alot of the time he is ok. Most of our mutual friends have the same opinion as me and the majority if the time we view it with humour. Athough I seem to be bothered by his arrogance more than others.
 
ctw5000 said:
I find myself in a situation that could benefit from some external input.
I have a good friend, I have known him for approx 15yrs. A couple years ago he started in with allot of conspiracy theories that he read on the internet by people such as Alex Jones and the like. Alot of us at the time were really worried about him as (at the time) he seemed to be obsessing and spouting off to any and every one he knew. Looking back he seemed to have a lot of accurate knowledge about banking ,imf, nmo, Bilderberg ,medical and military establishments. We have since had discussions about cyclical disasters UFOs, and we both agree it all fits together. He is the only one that I can have these conversations with, and we both agree that we have come to the same point through different ends Me through the paranormal aspect and him through political conspiracies aspect. The problem I have is even though I consider him a good friend I cannot stand being around him! Due to the fact that his arrogance is so huge. He likes to call everyone sheep and look down his nose at everyone not yet woken up. He may be the most selfish individual I know/have ever met! Lately I have been thinking that maybe my programming is causing this severe dislike to possibly keep me away from him and to stop us from sharing ideas. I also have a feeling I've known him in a past life..
Anyone else have this issue?
What are your thoughts?
Thanks
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I have seen at workplaces,I find some friends sounds so colinear. they talk as if they are filling your sentences.In all aspects including spirituality. With serious back stabbings, I realized that what I am dealing is psychopaths. They stalked for what ever the reasons I couldn't recognize at that time. Watch out your gut feelings and write it down. 15 yrs is a long time not to observe though. Still it all depends on the situation.
 
This situation is all too familiar.

Very often people who get in to "truth seeking" are motivated by frustration/ aggression when awakening to cruelty and injustice in the world. Unfortunately, without sincere deep Self-work, all externalized forms of "activism" just add to the psychological programming, so they are unable to see themselves clearly. This is why so many people get caught up in the "trap of the revolutionary mind", leading to self-consuming futility, doing more harm than good. Eventually, this frustration/ aggression becomes used as a feeding mechanism upon others, where people arrogantly crave attention to feed the lack of inner fulfillment that can only be found with deeper esoteric knowledge and spiritual practice.

Ultimately, any external protests or activism are futile without self-work and a full picture of the hyperdimensional nature of the Matrix Control System. Period. The more one goes down the path of esoteric self-work and awakening this underlying reality, the less co-linear one will be with those who are not, regardless of "topical interests".

There's also the possibility that, depending on your friend's upbringing, may be suffering from certain behavioral pathologies, like cognitive narcissism. Not to suggest that your friend is a psychopath, but it may do you well to read up on the subject so that you will be more clearly able to identify the characteristics. ("Mask of Sanity", "Political Ponerology", and a good video here: _http://www.sott.net/articles/show/234214-Defense-Against-the-Psychopath )

Learning about the subject has saved me a lot of trouble with many "psychic vampires" who were placed in my life to distract and obstruct me from my path of self-work (the Matrix knows your weaknesses better than you do). Once I let go of those people, others who were more sincere and open came in to my life once I cleared the space for new and better relationships. Just something to consider, fwiw...

In general, here's a really good article on the matter which may help to shed light one the matter...
"Being the change you want to see in the world"
_http://veilofreality.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/being-the-change-you-want-to-see-in-the-world/

Hope it helps! :)
 
My first thought when I read your posts, ctw5000, was that perhaps your friend's arrogance is a coping mechanism. If he does not have a spiritual framework or a means of coming to terms with the ugly side of reality, it could be quite overwhelming and just plain lonely.

de-tached said:
This situation is all too familiar.

Very often people who get in to "truth seeking" are motivated by frustration/ aggression when awakening to cruelty and injustice in the world. Unfortunately, without sincere deep Self-work, all externalized forms of "activism" just add to the psychological programming, so they are unable to see themselves clearly. This is why so many people get caught up in the "trap of the revolutionary mind", leading to self-consuming futility, doing more harm than good. Eventually, this frustration/ aggression becomes used as a feeding mechanism upon others, where people arrogantly crave attention to feed the lack of inner fulfillment that can only be found with deeper esoteric knowledge and spiritual practice.
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I agree with what you've written, de-tached. Some people recognize 'the machine', but they can't see any way out and come to a cold acceptance that that's just how it is, and in order to survive they feed into it.
 
Yeah, much of the stuff put out by Alex Jones and the like can appeal to those types of people who already harbor quite a disdain for people in general. The ridicule of 'sheep', gawking at people's stupidity and so on is just an outlet/reflection for their empty core. These people are NOT awake. Far from it. Even if some of their observations can be extremely accurate, they usually end up being wrong about plenty of other things because their hatred of people makes them blind.

If your picking up a sense of repulsion towards this person, it very well could be a normal response to pathology.
 
My first thought was, " Perhaps the next time he mentions,"sheep", you could ask him what separates him from the "sheep"?. & maybe follow-up question might be, "If you do not consider yourself a "sheep", then do you think of yourself as a "sheepdog(protector), or a "wolf) predator) as relating to the ones you call "sheep"?

Maybe a question or two like that,(since he is a long time friend, & if you are comfortable enough to ask those type of questions.) would persuade him to open up a bit towards his views on why he considers people "sheep", and at the same time give you a little insight as towards his mindset.

Many times , in the past, it has been helpful to me to approach the person from whom I wish to gather information, without jeopardizing the relationship, to give them an "outlet"
( using their own feeling of superiority, or any other possible scenario...if you perceive that that may be the case) to let them talk of their own self & their outlook. Some call this "stroking an ego" .( & yes , it possibly is "mental manipulation". If you are using it to attempt to help & not harm, it is likely benign. )
This can give you a method to let them say in their own words how they perceive things & then you can, in your own way, assess your "take" on their views. If you have decided that it is important that you do that.

There are other ways to find the answer you seek, but the way I just described will allow you to possibly get the information you seek & allow this person the "free will" choice & opportunity, to decide whether the information you seek will be given. You may find the answer)s_ you seek & learn from the experience at the same time.
Regardless....

Good luck in solving your situation, I hope you find a solotion that is agreeable to all.

with respect,
JB/MnSportsman
 
I think an earlier comment of asking yourself what you get out of the relationship and interaction are important. After all, you are responsible for your life, not his. As you look into what positive things you get, also consider what you lose. Do you find yourself drained after an interaction, for example? Do you give up your power? Have you allowed him to become your teacher while you assume the role of student?

Relationships are often complex, but they should involve a bidirectional exchange of energies through mutual and informed consent and not manipulation, trickery, etc. I feel we gain a lot of knowledge by discerning who we allow into our circle of companionship.

I often remind myself to judge the tree by the fruit it bears.

I hope some of these thoughts provide you with something to work with.

Regards,
Gonzo
 
Shane said:
The ridicule of 'sheep', gawking at people's stupidity and so on is just an outlet/reflection for their empty core. These people are NOT awake.[..] Even if some of their observations can be extremely accurate, they usually end up being wrong about plenty of other things because their hatred of people makes them blind. [..] If your picking up a sense of repulsion towards this person, it very well could be a normal response to pathology.
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I agree. Also, its these people, and not the "sheep" they so despise, that in my experience can be more damaging to you, in terms of vectoring stuff on you or steering you wrong.

A gut feel doesn't call for second guessing, extra evidence or proof. It is a signal in and of itself. If you obey it while it wasn't accurate, you are not missing out on anything. If you disobey it while it was right on the money, you'll be hurt. Better safe than sorry, and better to figure out what's up from a safe enough distance.

fwiw
 
Hildegarda said:
Shane said:
The ridicule of 'sheep', gawking at people's stupidity and so on is just an outlet/reflection for their empty core. These people are NOT awake.[..] Even if some of their observations can be extremely accurate, they usually end up being wrong about plenty of other things because their hatred of people makes them blind. [..] If your picking up a sense of repulsion towards this person, it very well could be a normal response to pathology.
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I agree. Also, its these people, and not the "sheep" they so despise, that in my experience can be more damaging to you, in terms of vectoring stuff on you or steering you wrong.

A gut feel doesn't call for second guessing, extra evidence or proof. It is a signal in and of itself. If you obey it while it wasn't accurate, you are not missing out on anything. If you disobey it while it was right on the money, you'll be hurt. Better safe than sorry, and better to figure out what's up from a safe enough distance.

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Thanks for the input everyone. Over the years I have definitely put the relationship at arms length(it really helps my wife doesn t get along with his wife also..surprise surprise) I used to find myself spending alot of time analysing and having mock conversations in my mind with this individual then I would be mad because of wasting so much time and energy. I summed this up to us being polar opposites, keep in mind it has been like this for our whole friendship not just since I have had my eyes open. My awakening has only begun the last six months (around when my son was born).So for us to be on the same page and both open minded enough to see all the possibilities was exciting for me (only one I know open enough). As for the teacher/student relationship I have a feeling he considers himself everyones teacher. On a side note he is a very entertaining fellow with a magnetic personality and definitely makes you wanna be on "his side" so you are safe from his criticisms. The relationship continues due to a tight knit group of us friends that work together, although over the years there has been tensions due to backstabbing and talking behind peoples back, jealousy. Which is probably mostly caused by him and his influence.

Thanks everyone, writing this out and thinking it through after reading your posts helped me realize I knew the answer the whole time. I think I'll listen to my gut on this one and keep my thoughts to myself especially the more "extreme" theories. I got excited at the prospect of having another person to talk to about these issues face to face.
 
I'm glad you were able to work through your thoughts and connect them to your guts feelings through networking here.

It's hard enough to find people open to discussing non-conventional wisdom (aka conspiracies), let alone finding among them those who support each other in their research and contemplation as opposed to those who merely want an audience to tell them what to think.

This forum is a Godsend in this an so many other regards. To be able to consider your thoughts and feelings while receiving objective feedback is priceless (and rare outside of this forum).

Gonzo
 
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