Garabandal.

Wandering Star

The Living Force
These apparitions of the "virgin" are the only ones I know that cause me doubts about their authorship, STS or STO, because for me they have a different "flavor."

In any case, they speak of an event that the girls who had the experience tell as "The Warning."

First I am going to put a session of the C's where they speak of the moment of change to fourth density and then some questions that they asked Conchita (one of the girls of these apparitions), in which they speak of this Warning.

I see a certain correlation.

Session 14 January 1995


Q: (T) Now, when those who move into 4th density make the move, will they experience a completeness or merge with all other densities of their being, at that point, even if it is for a short time?

A: For one immeasurably small instant, this is what is meant by "illumination"!

Q: (T) But, for that small instant, because there really is no time, maybe an instant or an aeon, depending on how any individual might measure it, we might experience oneness with ourselves?

A: It may seem to last "forever."

Q: (L) Is this what is known as the "rapture?"

A: Some have attempted to explain instinctive thought patterns this way.

(....)

Q. Would you like to repeat to us what you know about the Warning?

A. What I remember now is that Our Lady told me that before the Miracle, God will send us a Warning to purify us or prepare us to see the Miracle, so that we can receive sufficient grace to change our lives and direct them toward God. She told me what the Warning would consist of, but not the date. I am not allowed to say what it consists of, but I can say more or less how it will be. It is a phenomenon that will be seen and felt in all parts of the world; I always use as an example two stars colliding with each other. This phenomenon will not cause physical harm but it will frighten us, because at that very moment we will see our souls and the damage we have done. It will be as if we were dying, but we will not die from its effects, although it is possible that we will die of fear or from the shock of seeing ourselves. May Our Lady forgive me if I have not explained it as it is, but I am trying to tell you, according to what I know, what the Warning will be like on that day.

Q. Did you "see or hear anything" about the Warning?

A. Our Lady spoke to me of its coming.

Q. If the Warning lasts only a few minutes, will the world remember it as something from God or will it seem like a dream or an illusion?

A. I have never said that the Warning will last only an instant. What I have said is that even if it is only a moment, it will be very impressive and terrible. No one will have the slightest doubt that it comes from God and that it is not something human. I, who know what it is, am very afraid of that day.

Q. Many years ago you told us that the event that will accompany the Warning begins with the letter "A." Since Our Lady never forbade you to reveal it, could you say it now?

A. She did not forbid it, but I do not know why I have not said it and I think I should not say it now.

Q. On one occasion you said to Father Marcelino Andreu: "When the Warning is seen, it will be known that we have reached the end of time." Can you explain to us what you meant?

A. Our Lady told us that the Warning and the Miracle will be the last warnings or public events that God will give us. Therefore, I believe that we will find ourselves near the end of time afterwards.

Q. Do you have any advice for people to prepare for this event?

A. We should always be prepared so that there is peace in our souls and we do not cling so much to the things of this world. Instead, we should think very often that we are here to go to heaven and be saints.

August, 1980

Q. Will the Warning hurt us or harm us?

A. No, to me, it is like two stars... colliding together and making a huge noise and giving off a great light but not falling down. It will not hurt us physically, but we will see it. At that moment, we will see our conscience. We will see all the bad things in our actions.

Q. Are we going to see all the bad things in our actions?

A. Yes, and we will also see the good that we have failed to do.
 
I just found the following news by chance, which was published in the Cantabria newspaper in 22/09/2024 (region of Spain where the events occurred).

The fourth density STS people are very intelligent and everything can be a clever maneuver.

It is something curious, however:

Sixty years have passed before the Vatican has spoken out for the first time about the apparitions of the Virgin of San Sebastian de Garabandal, in the Cantabrian town of Rionansa. Thus, the main Catholic authority has indicated that "there are no elements to conclude that they are supernatural."

This was done this week, through the mouth of the prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Argentine cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, in a press conference in the Vatican (Rome), reported by Europa Press, when questioned about the events that occurred in the Cantabrian town between 1961 and 1965, where four girls between 10 and 12 years old from the town claimed to have witnessed the apparitions of Saint Michael the Archangel and the Virgin Mary on several occasions.

Fernández recalled that, as in the case of El Escorial and others, the Church determined years ago that Garabandal was "non constat", that is, that there are no elements to conclude that it is a matter of supernatural events. Thus, the new ecclesiastical norms imply that it can currently be assigned to a "curator", which, in practice, means that public worship is prohibited but there can be private worship since people "pray on site and then go to mass in the parish."
 
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By the way, the Church never recognized what happened in Garabandal precisely because of the supposed second message to the world:

"Since my message of October 18 has not been fulfilled and has not been widely known, I will tell you that this is the last one. Before the cup was filling, now it is overflowing. Priests, Bishops and Cardinals are many on the road to perdition and they take many more souls with them. The Eucharist is given less and less importance. We must avoid the wrath of God upon us with our efforts. If you ask for forgiveness with a sincere soul, He will forgive you. I, your Mother, through the intercession of the Angel Saint Michael, want to tell you to amend yourselves. You are already in the last warnings. I love you very much and I do not want your condemnation. Ask us sincerely and we will give it to you. You must sacrifice more, think of the Passion of Jesus."

:-D
 
Cantabria is a site of UFO sightings on the island of Pedrosa, a tourist destination near Pontejos, has a very rich history in legends surrounding it. apparently there is a virgin of the sea something very old that is now called our lady of the mountains, and in this site there are witnesses who have seen UFOs, another is an area where they also make military maneuvers and there is a mine in what seems more typical underground base (Reocin).
On the other hand the relationship of cults and virgins can be all as a way to cover things and at the same time serve as an energetic dining room something related to an egregor as a way to take advantage of that portal.
 
August, 1980

Q. Will the Warning hurt us or harm us?

A. No, to me, it is like two stars... colliding together and making a huge noise and giving off a great light but not falling down. It will not hurt us physically, but we will see it. At that moment, we will see our conscience. We will see all the bad things in our actions.

Q. Are we going to see all the bad things in our actions?

A. Yes, and we will also see the good that we have failed to do.
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Interesting take on it Wandering Star. Well wherever it's from, it reminds me of what is happening to some of us during the work.
Eg The painful realisations/regrets of the hurts I've caused myself and others through some of my words and acts.. And Inactions.
The realisations are hard enough, but it's like the work actually starts after this, to repair all of the damage done to the life circumstances, to relationships, to repair all the causing of problems and bad situations over so many years of wrong thinking and programming.

Even if these realisations and awakenings are more instantaneous, after these happen, the obstacles seem to be so many. (Most seem self created from bad choices in the past. And although there are negative situations also caused by those around me, this is nothing new and the way I react dictates the result, in heinsight, with a more positive attitude i could have apprehended them way more delicately..)

The steps to take back to being 'good', in a very real day to day sense are painfully slowly undertaken in reality, to stop and reverse the wreck. (That I was creating for myself (and others))
It does seem like a very difficult challenge once the realisation is made, in order to do this. To truly change these situations, improve/amend them starting from a change internally, but i know and believe it's possible.. With efforts and self sacrifice.
 
How can we read this C's comment in this context? What are the C's hinting to here?
Well, maybe "rapture" equals:

Q: (T) Now, when those who move into 4th density make the move, will they experience a completeness or merge with all other densities of their being, at that point, even if it is for a short time?

A: For one immeasurably small instant, this is what is meant by "illumination"!

(...)

This is the answer to your question, the following are my thoughts.

If the wave is a global event for everyone, the few candidates for fourth density may have a somewhat different experience as a result of their study and knowledge of third density.

That is, they have already evaluated their life and their "mistakes" in the lessons of this life before the event.

These candidates are already aware of the damage they have done to their fellow human beings (there will be some surprises, however), as a result of continuous introspection, so the review and evaluation will be of the entire third density experience and the rest of your being (all densities) (all lives/fusion with their entire being).

We will know for sure when the time comes...

If this is so, of course.
 
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Ok. I can follow what the C's refer to.
And also can follow what you write above.

What I lack to understand is the connection to your initial question
These apparitions of the "virgin" are the only ones I know that cause me doubts about their authorship, STS or STO, because for me they have a different "flavor."
I thought you are interested in evaluating the "authorship"? That's a question I have in the back of my mind too when reading such texts. I am interested to know, why you chose this session quote to evaluate the authorship? I might miss to understand the connection to the STO/STS question.
 
Ok. I can follow what the C's refer to.
And also can follow what you write above.

What I lack to understand is the connection to your initial question

I thought you are interested in evaluating the "authorship"? That's a question I have in the back of my mind too when reading such texts. I am interested to know, why you chose this session quote to evaluate the authorship? I might miss to understand the connection to the STO/STS question.
It is simple, I believe that authorship is STS, but there are details that are rare.

For example, one of the girls wants to be a nun and the girl has a "talk" where this entity tells her that she is better to live life and learn from her.

One of the girls also tells that one day they were playing the "hide and seek" with the "virgin" all afternoon.

Of course it can be a cunning cointelpro, but they are curious details.
 

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