Gastric flu - gastroenteritis

[Michal]

Hi,

Have You heard what other people do when they have gastric flu, in addition of course to standard GP visit?

The term is not specific but symptoms are:
1. diarrhea, watery - takes 4 - 5 hours for food to leave the body.
same constitution for three days not less not more - very watery
2. general weakness,
3. there is appetite
4. there is normal temperature
5. First two days higher temp (approx. 38 deg Celc.)
6. First two days no appetite

Note: this question is asked not to seek any medical advice. Is asked only due to personal curiosity.

 

[mada85]

I had this about 12 years ago - it lasted for weeks and weeks. The GP twice sent stool samples off for analysis and no causative agent was found. Immodium was completely useless for the diarrhoea. Eventually I sorted it by taking Tormentil Complex by BioForce which stopped the diarrhoea, and I went to a Chinese doctor and had acupuncture and herbs. The acupuncture got my body warm again for the first time in weeks, and the herbal tablets finished the job.

 

[Michal]

Thanks Endymion,
I will search more around that.
I am just asking myself why my health breakdowns happens when I choose to "make an action"?

I hope that I am not going in some paranoia.

Greetings

 

[truth seeker]

Thanks Endymion,
I will search more around that.
I am just asking myself why my health breakdowns happens when I choose to "make an action"?

I hope that I am not going in some paranoia.

Greetings

Hi Mikel,

Can you say what you've eaten in the last few days?

 

[Michal]

Hi Truth Seeker,

Starting form Monday 2nd Jan.
breakfast: mostly butter , glutamine, fish oil, vit C
lunch (in work): I have compromised my way and ate rice salad with pineapple (approx 100g)
dinner: pork - I have made my own marinade with apple vinegar and lemon and it stood for one day in there. Then next day it was ground and together with tomatoes and approx. 80g of butter made some "meat mix". My wife and kid also ate it and they feel fine.

Sunday 1st Jan.
breakfast:Duck 200g, butter 80g, red pepper 40g, gluamine, vit C
lunch: duck 30g, blue cheese 125g, olives 60g,
dinner: butter 100g, garlic 10g, onion 20g, sour cucumbers 70g, gluatmine, vit C

Saturday 31st Dec.
Not eating whole day. Hang over.

Friday 30th Dec
Breakfast: tuna 130g, butter 80g, sardines 20g, eggs 100g
lunch: 200g cod, butter 90g
dinner: too much and NO NO foods: pancake (gluten) 150g (approx.), pizza 100g, chicken 150g, herrings 100g in different sweet sauces and vodka 200g
I have not linked it to my current illness however I read that it may happen that after some time of clearing my diet from bed things and then suddenly eating them again may happen to be clearly feeling worse or to have symptoms that were not noticeable before. ???

Well when I look at this now it is possible that there was maybe gluten involved?
My illness started with some small pains in joints. Then fever and feeling cold, shivers. Not having stuffy nose nor sneezing.


Anyway, when I was thinking about this I have thought about dreams I had day before and yesterday.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26356.0.html

... is that possible ... I have weakened my gut by gluten and than it was ready for infection. I have made compromise with my way of eating and wanted to enjoy something in wrong way. There is no coming back.
If illness is "small death" then I am killing myself by such decisions.
Not sure but something lights up.
Thanks for "obvious suggestion" Truth Seeker. ... And other thing I am asking myself - why I did not want to see it at first - I mean that I ate bed?
Hidden liar.

 

[truth seeker]

On first glance, it looks like several things came into play: gluten (pancakes, pizza, rice), dairy (blue cheese), sugar (sweet sauces, pineapple?), alcohol (especially if you had enough to have a hangover the next day) and also tomatoes and red peppers.

In reading a few of your prior posts, I wasn't completely sure exactly where you are but 'think' you've eliminated gluten, dairy (except butter) and sugar? Please correct me if I'm off.

From personal experience, I've found that eating foods one is no longer used to can definitely lead to nightmares. One can also have diarrhea (the body's attempt to detox) and other reactions. Basically your body is attempting to remove toxins you ingested.

If you haven't already, please try to read or reread the diet threads and suggested books so that you can better understand how certain foods affect us.

Last, remember that usually when something happens that we have difficulty understanding, it's often the most mundane that usually applies. Many times, we are our own worst enemy. Take care.

edit: clarity

 

[SeekinTruth]

Yes, there are MANY red flags in what you've eaten in recent days. So that's quite likely to be behind your symptoms.

 

[Michal]

Hi,
I have eliminated gluten. BUT... Last occasion (New Year's one) happend after approx 1.5 month not eating any gluten. Or at least obvious source gluten.

I have basically eliminated sugar. I was eating some dried fruits and up to two teaspoons of honey for some two / three weeks by November but I quit that and changed those carbs into cauliflower, broccoli, carrot, onion.
Now from time to time I am using xylitol but rarely.

Dairy - not quit that yet. I am just limiting it for present but it still is in my diet.

One more thing. When my "flu" started and I started to have raised temp I have used FIR sauna before sleeping. It was something strange that after approx 30min with 40 deg I started to feel that my heart beats faster. I made stupid thing and sat longer and after that my pulse was around 120 or so. And it took maybe whole night before I went into normal but it still was raised (maybe 80 - 90). And then diarrhea started.

Reading:
Life without bread (forum topic) - still in progress. Each day I try to read something to finally go through whole topic. I count that I need some one more month to finish that topic.
Detoxify or die - in progress
PBPM - in progress, but most done
Life without bread (book) - done
except recommended I've read Paleo Solution
Trying to also devote some time for studying body: metabolism, hormones, digestion.
Diet and Health - I have maybe approx. 20 % material gone through.

Today morning is slightly better.

I feel in one part stupid asking questions and I am afraid of overusing help. But I am more affraid of making myself harm. I would prefer not to take Your time and energy. Rather give something from me. I know that I have not gone through what is recommended. Even from November I have read very little or so I feel. I just hope that what I am giving in total to the world will somehow balance my requests. Going back to work then :).

 

[mada85]

I have eliminated gluten. BUT... Last occasion (New Year's one) happend after approx 1.5 month not eating any gluten. Or at least obvious source gluten.

It takes 6 months for the body to completely eliminate all traces of gluten. Every time you eat gluten you are right back at the beginning and it then takes another 6 months from that time to eliminate it all. Even occasionally eating gluten can cause more inflammation. One needs to be without it to allow any inflammation to settle down.

Have you read Doctor Says Whole Wheat Packs on Belly Fat - And Has a Lot in Common with Opiate Drugs? Gluten really is an addictive substance and should be permanently eliminated from the diet.

One more thing. When my "flu" started and I started to have raised temp I have used FIR sauna before sleeping. It was something strange that after approx 30min with 40 deg I started to feel that my heart beats faster. I made stupid thing and sat longer and after that my pulse was around 120 or so. And it took maybe whole night before I went into normal but it still was raised (maybe 80 - 90). And then diarrhea started.

It sounds like you're overdoing it with the FIR sauna. Your description suggests that the diarrhoea is your body's attempt to eliminate toxic material that was released too quickly. Are you using a sauna blanket, or a cabin? 40 degrees is really hot for the FIR sauna – in my experience far too hot. Try reducing the temperature substantially – you could try keeping it down to 28 or 30 degrees – and limit your time in the sauna to 30 minutes. Are you drinking enough water before and after the sauna? And adding something like Himalayan salt for mineral replacement? And vitamin C to help with the detox process? Sherry Rogers – in her book 'Detoxify or Die' - gives recommendations for pre- and post-sauna hydration.

A signal that you've had enough time in the sauna is when your mouth feels hot inside. When that happens it's time to get out of the sauna.

Saturday 31st Dec.
Not eating whole day. Hang over.

I would also suggest removing all possible allergens and inflammatory foods from your diet – that includes ALL dairy, gluten, sweet things, corn, soya, alcohol, dried fruit. Keep it really simple in accordance with Gedgaudas' ideas and those discussed here on the forum. This will allow your body time to heal itself. If you don't ingest food stressors, then the energy your body would have used to fight the inflammation can be used for healing instead. Leave the FIR sauna until your diarrhoea is better, and check out Gedgaudas' guide to supplements. You may find some useful advice there. The alcohol will have caused great fluctuations in your blood sugar and insulin. You might also want to consider replacing your minerals and electrolytes while you have the diarrhoea. Himalayan salt is an excellent source of minerals. You can add a quarter or half teaspoon to a glass of water.

Today morning is slightly better.

Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better. :)

 

[truth seeker]

Dairy - not quit that yet. I am just limiting it for present but it still is in my diet.

That might be the next thing you want to do research on and then choose to eliminate.

Reading:
Life without bread (forum topic) - still in progress. Each day I try to read something to finally go through whole topic. I count that I need some one more month to finish that topic.
Detoxify or die - in progress
PBPM - in progress, but most done
Life without bread (book) - done
except recommended I've read Paleo Solution
Trying to also devote some time for studying body: metabolism, hormones, digestion.
Diet and Health - I have maybe approx. 20 % material gone through.

Sounds good.

I feel in one part stupid asking questions and I am afraid of overusing help. But I am more affraid of making myself harm. I would prefer not to take Your time and energy. Rather give something from me. I know that I have not gone through what is recommended. Even from November I have read very little or so I feel. I just hope that what I am giving in total to the world will somehow balance my requests. Going back to work then :).

I agree that it's better to ask rather than remain unsure and do possible harm to yourself. Your well being is what's important here. :)

Try to keep in mind that unless you are taking care of yourself, you're not in a good position to help anyone. Take it slow and if you can, you may want to make yourself some bone broth. I always find that very healing.