This is the relevant post from Geert Vanden Bossche's Linked In page. If you are on LinkedIn you can follow him and see the discussion taking place.
Geert Vanden Bossche PhD
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The Linked in discussion is interesting as we see one person pointing to the success of vaccination in Israel and another resident in Israels screaming help they are killing us , death rates have spiked since the vaccination programme began and the media won't report a thing about it. These are on the ground reports.
How long will it take before the all out attack on his credibility begins? Or worse his own person?
Perhaps we need to pray for him or send him some crystals?
How long will it take before the all out attack on his credibility begins? Or worse his own person?
Perhaps we need to pray for him or send him some crystals?
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I think his logic is sound as mutations in corona viruses occur mostly in the spike protein. I felt at the start of all this the population wide interventions were really going to change how the virus behaved. It is not being eliminated by people with healthy innate immune systems. So it’s gaining momentum in its mutation rates due to the virus ecology created by masks, lockdowns and weakened immune responses due to stress and de-socialisation (see psycho-neuroummunolgy effects where by socialising stimulates innate immunity). Countries like New Zealand which now has an isolated population from the rest of the world, in the upcoming months will be receiving the Pfizer prophylactic for yesterday’s virus. And no familiarity with the new further and further mutated strains.
We could be in big trouble when they try open the borders.
We could be in big trouble when they try open the borders.
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Reports coming out of Israel indicate the cases aren't dropping down any further. Furthermore, it's indicating that younger people now make up a considerable percentage of those with serious illness.
Israel seems to be playing out as Geert is saying. Yesterday I believe they opened up as well so spreading and mixing is now all but assured. All as Geert is saying.
If Geert is right, then soon you'll see an explosion of cases in Israel. He says we're looking at weeks, maybe a couple of months at the most.
Michael Yeadon and Marc Girardot have written a 'rebuttal' of Bossche's claims here:
lockdownsceptics.org
A few excerpts:
Yeadon and Girardot do not, however, advocate the use of Covid vaccines, but their opinion is based on other factors than Bossche's.
Additionally, after watching the interview with Bossche (on Highwire) I was left with the feeling that he didn't fully explain some things, like:
- He talked about how the 'NK killer cells' were the most important defence agains the Covid variants. However, when explaining how the imminent danger of glogal Covid vaccination, all the talk was about antigens and how the artificially installed antigens 'outcompeted' the natural broad spectrum antigens. It appeared to me as the secondary 'clean up system' of antigens (as they were referred to) suddenly became the primary defence system
- With reference to the above, he didn't explain how and why this specific and artifial antigen will outcompete the natural ones
- He talked about how the Covid mutations – due to the vaccines – will make it more, and more dangerous, but he didn't quite explain the rationale behind this claim (or I might have not understood it)
I have no doubt that what he is presenting might be seen in the future (the C's also alluded to the danger of mutations), but the way Del Bigtree was hyping this left me dumbfounded. Beside, the Yeadon article above put these claims into some doubt.
In any case, these theories are alarming enough that they should be followed closely, but I'm not yet jumpig the 'it's the extinction of the human race' wagon.
How Worried Should We Be About the Variants? – The Daily Sceptic
by Dr Michael Yeadon and Marc Girardot As the SARS-CoV-2 […]
lockdownsceptics.org
A few excerpts:
Yeadon and Girardot do not, however, advocate the use of Covid vaccines, but their opinion is based on other factors than Bossche's.
Additionally, after watching the interview with Bossche (on Highwire) I was left with the feeling that he didn't fully explain some things, like:
- He talked about how the 'NK killer cells' were the most important defence agains the Covid variants. However, when explaining how the imminent danger of glogal Covid vaccination, all the talk was about antigens and how the artificially installed antigens 'outcompeted' the natural broad spectrum antigens. It appeared to me as the secondary 'clean up system' of antigens (as they were referred to) suddenly became the primary defence system
- With reference to the above, he didn't explain how and why this specific and artifial antigen will outcompete the natural ones
- He talked about how the Covid mutations – due to the vaccines – will make it more, and more dangerous, but he didn't quite explain the rationale behind this claim (or I might have not understood it)
I have no doubt that what he is presenting might be seen in the future (the C's also alluded to the danger of mutations), but the way Del Bigtree was hyping this left me dumbfounded. Beside, the Yeadon article above put these claims into some doubt.
In any case, these theories are alarming enough that they should be followed closely, but I'm not yet jumpig the 'it's the extinction of the human race' wagon.
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The Living Force
Michael Yeadon and Marc Girardot have written a 'rebuttal' of Bossche's claims here:
How Worried Should We Be About the Variants? – The Daily Sceptic
by Dr Michael Yeadon and Marc Girardot As the SARS-CoV-2 […]
A few excerpts:
Yeadon and Girardot do not, however, advocate the use of Covid vaccines, but their opinion is based on other factors than Bossche's.
Additionally, after watching the interview with Bossche (on Highwire) I was left with the feeling that he didn't fully explain some things, like:
- He talked about how the 'NK killer cells' were the most important defence agains the Covid variants. However, when explaining how the imminent danger of glogal Covid vaccination, all the talk was about antigens and how the artificially installed antigens 'outcompeted' the natural broad spectrum antigens. It appeared to me as the secondary 'clean up system' of antigens (as they were referred to) suddenly became the primary defence system
- With reference to the above, he didn't explain how and why this specific and artifial antigen will outcompete the natural ones
- He talked about how the Covid mutations – due to the vaccines – will make it more, and more dangerous, but he didn't quite explain the rationale behind this claim (or I might have not understood it)
I have no doubt that what he is presenting might be seen in the future (the C's also alluded to the danger of mutations), but the way Del Bigtree was hyping this left me dumbfounded. Beside, the Yeadon article above put these claims into some doubt.
In any case, these theories are alarming enough that they should be followed closely, but I'm not yet jumpig the 'it's the extinction of the human race' wagon.
Geerts theory feels too dramatic so other scientists chiming in I think is welcome.
The one thing the above didn't explain was the evolutionary pressure we were applying to the virus. Yeedon says the new variants are 99.7% similar to the original variant whilst Geert I think is implying different. I think then this becomes a key area to zoom in on.
The other thing I haven't seen in the article above is an explanation of why vaccinated people are becoming infected and testing positive. Furthermore, what this does to the evolution of the virus.
Another thing, Yeadon completely side steps the role vaccination may be having in driving mutations and what sort of mutations it may be driving compared to if no mass vaccinations were taking place in the heat of the "war" as Geert would put it. I think this is acknowledged more widely, even by governments albeit they don't expect to see dramatic mutants.
Another thing which both Yeadon and Geert haven't mentioned in their articles... Seasonality. They both in different ways imply that cases are dropping because of vaccines but don't mention we're moving to spring?
In any case, Geert is very open about the ultimate litmus test of his theory. It's simple. Cases will go down, they will plateau and then they will explode. He gave a timeframe, weeks to months. So it feels like by summer / late summer we'll know whether he's wrong or not. It'll also be interesting to see cases of severe disease in the young compared to last year as we go through this year. Geert says the young will be impacted more.
Other more thing neither Yeadon nor Geert Vanden Bossche covered...
Didn't past Coronavirus vaccines fail because of antibody-dependent enhancement?
I don't quite understand how Bossche's theory is supposed to work if the injected population dies because the experimental injection backfired - we don't know if they solved the ADE problem or not because the experimental injections were rushed out the door.
Back to being worried about how the injected experimental mRNA interacts with endogenous viruses...
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The Living Force
Bossche covered this. He was quite dismissive, saying it was only a problem limited to the individual i.e. only the individual will suffer this consequence. He said it was bad but it was not apocalyptic essentially. He's worried about the problem that will be population-wide.
He defends the people who made these vaccines. He thinks the vaccines are amazing. He just doesn't think they are being used in the correct setting i.e. in the midst of a pandemic.
People shouldn't take Geert for what he is not. He is not one of 'us'. He's one of 'them'. He's only interesting because he's bringing information no one else has. Whilst those in "our" team have been raising the alarm about the impact of the vaccines to individuals, both short term and long term, they really hadn't appreciated this other consequence which is related to vaccine resistance and immune escape. I don't trust Geert but some of his arguments are making really good sense and link in with things we've heard elsewhere e.g. Gates and his wife smirking about the next pandemic - don't be fooled, there's a next pandemic coming off the back of covid-19 because that smile on Gates face is from someone who knows and is involved in something plus the C's actually hinting at vaccines driving the evolution of these variants.
So I don't trust this Geert fellow but keeping my eyes on him regardless as he could be onto something. Plus we know lying in the wings somewhere is that thing the PTB hadn't seen or anticipated for, that thing that will come in and produce the opposite result to what they intend. We know also there's a massive culling event that's coming - we know there's billions of people who are asking for these mass suffering because they refuse to see truth, they accept to be deceived and believe in lies from the psychopaths in charge. Plus we know 4D STS have all these nasty plans about replacing our "vehicles". None of these things taken together point to anything good.
JLynne
The Force is Strong With This One
So much appreciation for you all! The original Del Bigtree response to Bossche had my emotions in a tizzy. I found Bossche's full transcript on JFK's Children's Health Defense site: Virologist: ‘We Are Going to Pay Huge Price’ for COVID Mass Vaccination Campaign • Children's Health Defense
A comment from the above site linked to an article in Off Gurdian written by Rosemary Frei. back in July. Another article by Frei posted today March 16, seemed even more interesting and will paste part of it here along with the link.
She is critical of Bigtree for causing such a stir without vetting sources. I know nothing about Frei, perhaps she "protests to much" however she does seem to investigate all the players. I posted the beginning of the article as I was having issues viewed in preview when I attempted to post it all.
Here's her bio:
"Rosemary Frei has an MSc in molecular biology from the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary, was a freelance medical writer and journalist for 22 years and now is an independent investigative journalist. You can watch her June 15 interview on The Corbett Report, read her other Off-Guardian articles follow her on Twitter and read her website..."
Link: The Curious Case of Geert Vanden Bossche
The Curious Case of Geert Vanden Bossche His Open Letter, Video Interview and High-Profile Supporters
Mar 16, 2021 Rosemary Frei
On March 6, an open letter by Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD, DVM, and a video interview of him by Phillip McMillan, MD, from a company called Vejon Health, were posted online.
On the surface, Vanden Bossche appears to perhaps be addressing credible concerns about Covid.
He’s saying that the current crop of Covid vaccines will cause the novel coronavirus to mutate into a “super-infectious virus.” And therefore he’s calling for an immediate halt of the use of the current vaccines.
If humans are “committed to perpetuating our species, we have no choice but to eradicate these highly infectious viral variants” via “large vaccination campaigns,” Vanden Bossche claims at the conclusion of his open letter. But in contrast to the currently used Covid vaccines, these new vaccines must focus on stimulation of mass production of the component of the immune system known as natural killer cells, he asserts.
However, Vanden Bossche bases his views on unproven hypotheses. This is similar to, and builds on, high-profile modeling-paper authors who use theoretical frameworks to inflame fears about the supposed dangerousness of the new variants.
Despite this, Vanden Bossche’s views were very quickly and positively received by high-profile vaccine sceptics such as Dell Bigtree in his March 11 episode (starting at 57:25) and Vernon Coleman in his March 13 video and article.
Bigtree and Coleman virtually unquestioningly accept and amplify Vanden Bossche’s views. They strongly insinuate to their overwhelmingly credulous subscribers that there’s virtually no fact-checking or pause for sober second thought required.
But from my experience as a former long-time medical writer and journalist (1988-2016) — particularly a four-month stint with media-relations giant FleishmanHillard in 1994 (yes, I’ve worked for the dark side) — this has all the hallmarks of a drug-company astroturf campaign.
A comment from the above site linked to an article in Off Gurdian written by Rosemary Frei. back in July. Another article by Frei posted today March 16, seemed even more interesting and will paste part of it here along with the link.
She is critical of Bigtree for causing such a stir without vetting sources. I know nothing about Frei, perhaps she "protests to much" however she does seem to investigate all the players. I posted the beginning of the article as I was having issues viewed in preview when I attempted to post it all.
Here's her bio:
"Rosemary Frei has an MSc in molecular biology from the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary, was a freelance medical writer and journalist for 22 years and now is an independent investigative journalist. You can watch her June 15 interview on The Corbett Report, read her other Off-Guardian articles follow her on Twitter and read her website..."
Link: The Curious Case of Geert Vanden Bossche
The Curious Case of Geert Vanden Bossche His Open Letter, Video Interview and High-Profile Supporters
Mar 16, 2021 Rosemary Frei
On March 6, an open letter by Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD, DVM, and a video interview of him by Phillip McMillan, MD, from a company called Vejon Health, were posted online.
On the surface, Vanden Bossche appears to perhaps be addressing credible concerns about Covid.
He’s saying that the current crop of Covid vaccines will cause the novel coronavirus to mutate into a “super-infectious virus.” And therefore he’s calling for an immediate halt of the use of the current vaccines.
If humans are “committed to perpetuating our species, we have no choice but to eradicate these highly infectious viral variants” via “large vaccination campaigns,” Vanden Bossche claims at the conclusion of his open letter. But in contrast to the currently used Covid vaccines, these new vaccines must focus on stimulation of mass production of the component of the immune system known as natural killer cells, he asserts.
However, Vanden Bossche bases his views on unproven hypotheses. This is similar to, and builds on, high-profile modeling-paper authors who use theoretical frameworks to inflame fears about the supposed dangerousness of the new variants.
Despite this, Vanden Bossche’s views were very quickly and positively received by high-profile vaccine sceptics such as Dell Bigtree in his March 11 episode (starting at 57:25) and Vernon Coleman in his March 13 video and article.
Bigtree and Coleman virtually unquestioningly accept and amplify Vanden Bossche’s views. They strongly insinuate to their overwhelmingly credulous subscribers that there’s virtually no fact-checking or pause for sober second thought required.
But from my experience as a former long-time medical writer and journalist (1988-2016) — particularly a four-month stint with media-relations giant FleishmanHillard in 1994 (yes, I’ve worked for the dark side) — this has all the hallmarks of a drug-company astroturf campaign.
Yes, perhaps there is some reading between the lines to be done. Rosemary Frei has an article on him from today that looks at other sides. Very briefly in quote, she says:
The Curious Case of Geert Vanden Bossche - Rosemary Frei
The Curious Case of Geert Vanden Bossche His Open Letter, Video Interview and High-Profile Supporters Rosemary Frei, MScMarch 16, 2021 On March 6, an open letter by Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD, DVM, and a video interview of him by Phillip McMillan, MD, from a company called Vejon Health, were...
www.rosemaryfrei.ca
She adds:
I'm not certain of her words, however there is more possibly to see here.
It occurred to me that what we're seeing with Bossche might be a case of pre-emptive limited hangout. He's telling a big chunk of the truth mixed with some distracting straw-man components that then can be shot down. And, then, voilà, the whole thing can be 'proven' wrong...nothing to worry about. In that way all future concerns are pre-emptively nullified.
I'm not sure, but the indicators that would tip the scale in favor of the above would be:
1. He's given larger than usual publicity, no or very little censoring of his message on social media
2. His message is being hyped and amplified (together with a strong emotional appeal), more so than previous high rank whistleblowers (e.g., Mikovits, Yeadon; who's messages are censored and ridiculed)
3. He gets to keep his job and career, he's not smeared and attacked by the MSM.
It appears to me that we are already seeing the two first ones of the points above, and point 3. remains to be seen. I was not happy at all seeing Del Bigtree hyping Bossche's message in a pretty childish and emotional way – makes me doubt him, too (after all these years!). Sure, there is danger and chaos ahead because of the vaccines but as we've all seen during the years, the evil tricksters' plots are not always so easy to spot – let's stay vigilant about this one.
I'm not sure, but the indicators that would tip the scale in favor of the above would be:
1. He's given larger than usual publicity, no or very little censoring of his message on social media
2. His message is being hyped and amplified (together with a strong emotional appeal), more so than previous high rank whistleblowers (e.g., Mikovits, Yeadon; who's messages are censored and ridiculed)
3. He gets to keep his job and career, he's not smeared and attacked by the MSM.
It appears to me that we are already seeing the two first ones of the points above, and point 3. remains to be seen. I was not happy at all seeing Del Bigtree hyping Bossche's message in a pretty childish and emotional way – makes me doubt him, too (after all these years!). Sure, there is danger and chaos ahead because of the vaccines but as we've all seen during the years, the evil tricksters' plots are not always so easy to spot – let's stay vigilant about this one.
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The Living Force
I agree with all the above apart from one thing... the credibility of Del Big tree. Del from what I've seen is living the life he preaches. This man has well and truly brought the vaccine fight to the PTB - I doubt anyone else measures up to Del in this regard in terms of sheer tenacity and track record. His track record is second to none. That however, doesn't mean he can't be wrong on certain issues but I think he can change his position if it's shown that he is wrong.
On the snippets posted from Rosemary Frei my main takeaway is that she's concentrating on the messenger rather than the message. I'm still looking for the logical arguments against vaccine resistance and immune escape. These 2 concepts are what made Del project Geert to his audience.
Btw, people think Del Big tree was the first to project Geert but actually UK Column brought him forward before Del did. It's just that they did this in passing.
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The Living Force
Cross posting from the main covid thread.
Bridle in his interview says exactly the same thing as Geert, albeit less dramatically. He actually says evidence for vaccine resistance can already be seen in the "South African strain".
The interview in that link is from February so pre-dates Geert I think.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
I've been with that "feeling" since I read this thread.
I think there may be a hidden "intention" underneath.
If there is not much "resistance" by the "system" it is because it may "interest" someone.
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The Living Force
UK Column touched upon this again today. This is what they think - screen grab
Call me crazy but it can explain why Israel, UK and USA are rushing to vaccinate their population. They want a situation where all those not vaccinated die including the whole developing world? What sort of twisted strategy is this
To expand... They think the PTB may be looking to create a similar type of situation in humans as what happened with chickens with regards Mareks disease i.e. unvaccinated chickens died when they came into contact with vaccinated chickens.
Call me crazy but it can explain why Israel, UK and USA are rushing to vaccinate their population. They want a situation where all those not vaccinated die including the whole developing world? What sort of twisted strategy is this
To expand... They think the PTB may be looking to create a similar type of situation in humans as what happened with chickens with regards Mareks disease i.e. unvaccinated chickens died when they came into contact with vaccinated chickens.
