Getting mugged

this topic looks dead but i need to do the same thing you have polonel and just get my feelings out. I came to this section of the forums to post a experience similar to what you went through which happened to me today, but at the last minute I decided not too. I think now, after stumbling upon this thread, i will just post what happened to me very quicky though.

So, I was walking to a walgreens with my brother, and I am on vacation here so i do not know the city to well. well these two guys on bikes come up to us and start asking us questions. no alarms go off in my head whatsoever but as I am on the phone at the time i'm not really listening to them or responding with thought. One of the guys rides of and as he is coming back back he sticks out his fists and smashes my brother in the mouth. Suddenly i'm in panic and running, but ofcourse they don't stick around and are already biking away... My brothers mouth is but up and bleeding but we get back and manage okay.

so many thoughts are still running through my head about this incident, I can't really keep it off my mind. first of all I don't understand why you know... they could of took my phone or anything but all he wanted to do is hurt my brother I don't get it... and I feel like I should of called the cops or some something but I didn't... like you i feel helpless and weak. While i sit reading "In search of the miraculous" by Opensky I can't help but feel worthless. I almost want to put down the book, my motivation for "searching" is lowered tremendously but at the same time there may be a new spark.


I hope this made sense i havnt posted much...at all really. And for anyone who reads this, thanks for letting me share whatever limited thoughts I have recollected and wrote down here.
 
Hello,

I am sorry to hear that.
I hope you are ok by now.

realitybugll said:
so many thoughts are still running through my head about this incident, I can't really keep it off my mind. first of all I don't understand why you know... they could of took my phone or anything but all he wanted to do is hurt my brother I don't get it... and I feel like I should of called the cops or some something but I didn't... like you i feel helpless and weak. While i sit reading "In search of the miraculous" by Opensky I can't help but feel worthless. I almost want to put down the book, my motivation for "searching" is lowered tremendously but at the same time there may be a new spark.
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Yes, the Work can not be done alone.
As Carcosa suggested on response to your 1st post, you can still introduce your self in Newbies section and start Networing. This is a way I get "new sparks" intentionally. :)
 
And again. This time four guys jumped on me as soon as I entered the lobby of my building. It was violent, they grabbed me by the throat and punched my face half a dozen times. They took my backpack, with my laptop computer, 250€ in cash (merry Christmas), my keys, ID, credit card... I'm not even angry against me or them this time, it was such an implacable and violent action, there was absolutely nothing I could have possibly done to prevent that.

I live in this neighborhood for 3 years, now. Hell, my little sister was my flatmate for the two first years, and I've always felt safe for me and her. Now... Huh. I don't know, I'm probably still in shock, I have to think about all the paperwork I'll have to do in the next few days, I don't really grasp the whole thing for now. Just venting a little bit, you know.
 
Hey are you ok physically Polonel, have you been to a physician or had someone check you out at least?

This is a big shock :mad: for you - take good care man.
 
I'm really sorry to hear that, Polonel. I hope you're alright physically and agree with voyageur that if there's any physical injury, you should get it checked out and treated.

Emotionally, you'll be dealing with a whole lot of things coming up again. There's some fairly new information such as Peter Levine's books "In an Unspoken Voice" and "Healing Trauma" discussed here on the forum, as well as "Redirect" and others on the new Psychology and Cognitive Sciences board (child board in Outer Space and "Inner Space" Sciences) that may be helpful to read, particularly about writing out what happened after a few weeks have past seems to really help. Take care.
 
Twice in six months Polonel and escalating in intensity. Maybe there is a thread that needs following. Take care.
 
My mistake. It was over 2 and a half years. That is still worrisome to me especially since there was an increase in intensity of the attack.
 
Polonel said:
And again. This time four guys jumped on me as soon as I entered the lobby of my building. It was violent, they grabbed me by the throat and punched my face half a dozen times. They took my backpack, with my laptop computer, 250€ in cash (merry Christmas), my keys, ID, credit card... I'm not even angry against me or them this time, it was such an implacable and violent action, there was absolutely nothing I could have possibly done to prevent that.

I live in this neighborhood for 3 years, now. Hell, my little sister was my flatmate for the two first years, and I've always felt safe for me and her. Now... Huh. I don't know, I'm probably still in shock, I have to think about all the paperwork I'll have to do in the next few days, I don't really grasp the whole thing for now. Just venting a little bit, you know.
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Hi Polonel,

I'm glad you decided to share this with us. It sounds to me as if they were waiting for someone (anyone) to go into the building so I'm not sure what more you could have done.

The only advice I have is that in the future to perhaps try to carry items on different areas of your body if you haven't started already. Please don't take this as blame but just some food for thought to consider in the future. You may also want to think about moving from that area if you can. Feel free to share as much as you need to or update us. :hug2:
 
really sorry to hear that Polonel,

I hope your allright physically :hug: !

This time four guys jumped on me as soon as I entered the lobby of my building.
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Arent the lobbies(appartment) closed from outsiders ? I thought lobbies were only accessible for those who live there.
 
Polonel said:
I'm not even angry against me or them this time, it was such an implacable and violent action, there was absolutely nothing I could have possibly done to prevent that.
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You are in shock but that doesn't mean you won't be angry or emotional about it when the shock starts to wear off. When you start to feel something then maybe channel this emotion into taking martial arts or self defense classes? (as has been suggested before).

Put yourself and your emotion behind the training in both body and soul when you practice. I think that from this you will instinctively become more aware and your body language, the subtle language of your moving gestures when you carry yourself about, will 'speak' to the world around you as well as to the moving centers of these kinds of psychopaths. Your body will say in a subtle way (or not so subtle depending on the situation) that you can protect yourself. This they will understand, and IMO this can lessen the chances of being attacked again and/or it'll make you more sensitive to that possibility and be prepared to deal with it.

As aaron r mentioned this is the second incident and it's escalating in intensity.That may be important. If these are warnings then a third event of this kind may even be more serious if action of some kind is not taken now (I could be wrong in that of course, don't know, but IMO if you must assume then maybe assume something like this to be the case so that you'll be more aware and take some kind of action now). Also it might be a good idea to observe your relationships with other people in your life. If someone or a situation in your life is draining you in some way (or if you are allowing it) then this will sap your sensitivity/emotion/ awareness/attention and cause you to dissociate in a negative way. Something might very well pick up on this. If we live in a predatory universe, as least at this level of reality, then IMO it'll leave you open for future attacks of this kind.
 
Polonel,
and others,

i thought about typing this and then thought that i shouldn't but i've decided to throw it out there and explain it.

first of all, i would like to state that martial arts should not be studied for offensive action.
becoming experienced in defending yourself allows you to gain confidence should you find yourself under physical attack.

i agree with what anart and others whom have written a while back about being wise and not putting yourself or others around you at unnecessary risk.
with that said, physical attack exists.

if someone pulls out a knife and asks for your phone for instance, i would think the wise thing to do is give them your phone.

if someone were to attack you just for the fun of it and NOT in the context of a mugging it would help to know how to defend yourself.

my point is, you do not need to beat people up to defend yourself, but studying martial arts helps build confidence and oftentimes simply knowing that you can handle yourself better ends up completely changing the situation into a much less violent ordeal.

there are whole styles of martial arts that are about minimizing violence for instance. Aikido is one example.
furthermore, merely being more confident can also create solutions that are COMPLETELY non-violent - as you become less bound by the fear of the situation and more free to creatively navigate a peaceful solution.

the study of martial arts is not a study of violence.
it is a study of how the physical human machine operates, it is a gaining of physical self-confidence and it is one path to develop discipline.

since this has not been the first time you have come under attack, have you thought about studying a defensive art ?

Edit: typo.
 
First of all, a big thanks for all your answers. It really mean something. I went to the hospital yesterday, besides a few bruises I'm fine, no head injury or neurological conditions.

SeekinTruth said:
There's some fairly new information such as Peter Levine's books "In an Unspoken Voice" and "Healing Trauma" discussed here on the forum, as well as "Redirect" and others on the new Psychology and Cognitive Sciences board (child board in Outer Space and "Inner Space" Sciences) that may be helpful to read, particularly about writing out what happened after a few weeks have past seems to really help. Take care.
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I'll take a look, thanks.

truth seeker said:
You may also want to think about moving from that area if you can.
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Oh, yes. I was thinking about moving from Paris for a few months, and now I'm definitely looking at my options...

Bo said:
Arent the lobbies(appartment) closed from outsiders ? I thought lobbies were only accessible for those who live there.
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That's the case. Except that one of the aggressor jumped on the door just before it closes, opening the way for his accomplices. What kenlee said about the possibility of being drained from my relationships is really something I'll think about : I didn't noticed anything before the attack begins. Being followed by four hoodlums should be something pretty noticeable... Plus the fact that my Christmas Eve dinner wasn't particularly "paleo-savvy", my awareness must have been quite low.

kenlee & transientP said:
(about taking martial art classes)
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I talked about it to my family during the Christmas week-end, as a joke. Well... There's so many martial arts classes available in my city, I'll do some researchs before signing. If you have some suggestions, that would be great !

Again, thanks a lot for your answers. I'll keep you updated. DCM bless you all :)
 
Polonel,

i've studied various martial art styles over the years.
different people like different styles, but i would personally recommend Kung-Fu since it is contains a lot of fluidity and is much less rigid / colliding than other arts.

i say look into Kung Fu, Jiu-Jitsu, Aikido.

it's aways best to take trial lessons at a few different dojos before deciding which style and teacher is for you.

furthermore, it is my opinion that studying at a dojo in a group is much better than taking private lessons or studying in small groups.
the more people you practice with, the more variety in movement.

hope this helps

may you recover quickly !!
 
Polonel said:
I talked about it to my family during the Christmas week-end, as a joke. Well... There's so many martial arts classes available in my city, I'll do some researchs before signing. If you have some suggestions, that would be great !
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Hi Polonel, I'm really sorry to hear about this second attack, martial arts might be a good idea, as long as you don't approach it from the point of view of "preparing yourself for the next time". Martial arts is really only beneficial from an exercise/body-awareness perspective, if you use it as a preparation for physical violence it can get you into more trouble than you need. If I were you, I'd start looking at my general awareness, where my thoughts usually are when I am out walking in the city, do I dissociate a lot? I think the main reason that such things happen to people is 1) lack of general awareness and tendency to dissociate 2) they are an opportunity to learn something important that we are missing. Maybe if you pondered this angle you might find something useful.

Without knowing much about you personally, I think it could be said that, in a general sense, you need concentrate on being more aware of your surroundings.

Apart from that, just try to be more careful! We don't like seeing our friends getting attacked!
 
I agree with Perceval.

Most of what attracts assailants is the body language of potential victims !

body language and eye language.
 
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