Greenland - a geopolitical space on the global chess board?

[SummerLite]

Yep. And that’s called subjectivity and programming. It’s what we on this forum are Working to break.

Your heavy identification with being a New Yorker has you rooting for a guy who recently had the leader of another country basically kidnapped and spent the last month or two threatening to invade and steal an entire country just because he has the power to do so.

But that’s all good, because ‘Murica!’

You’re being played like a fiddle, FM258. And to realise that should make you sick. You see criticism of narcissistic bullying and aggression towards others as ‘hate’, because of your programming, and rationalise it as simply due to others living in another country.

You’re ponerised.

People’s criticism of Trump here has nothing to do with “where they are”. It has everything to do with “who they are and what they see”.

I disagree with this.

Have not the actions of the US for many years caused others around the world to hate the country, Yes. Do I think this affects the views of the people on this forum concerning the US and Trump, of course. It looks to me as though this is a limiting factor, blinders, to see anything of value being done with Trump, all is cast in the same light of power hungry conquest. I see him and team, freeing the country from the spiral death of the globalists, which he's doing. Can this help the rest of the world, maybe. Will this require aggressive moves, of course.

You will likely call me ponerized and programed because my perception tells me other then what you believe is true. You have cornered the market on truth apparently.

I don't think FM258 is ponerized. He is expressing what millions of Americans agree with and see that support the POTUS. In this case it's where you are and what you see which is important. Here I see people interpreting current events from the same old play book which could be called programing. The only way to tell for sure is wait to see how things will play out.

People’s criticism of Trump here has nothing to do with “where they are”. It has everything to do with “who they are and what they see”.

You are talking about individuals here, are you absolutely sure there is no programing involved? A person who is honestly following the path, which requires constant inner observation, will often notice how many times they are wrong about things. I know this because I see it in myself. I place little value on "being right". So, in truth, you could be wrong. I don't think I'm wrong the same as you. But an opening must be present to allow new information to come in.

Over all most of what is expressed here is negative about Trump, OBVIOUSLY. It often appears that contrary views such as what FM258 expressed are quickly shot down. It's said this is being objective...hmm. It looks very one sided to me. The right man syndrome in full throttle? "You agree with us or your programmed and brainwashed". No one likes criticism and what I say here won't be liked for sure.

I take the original principles of this forum very seriously. I am dedicated to doing the best I can to obtain an objective view on reality. There are many, many facets and subtleties to perceiving realty. We all have our biases which must be seen since they interfere with true vision. . I place a high value on truth which allows me to sense deception quickly and not fall into programing. It doesn't work on me. That goes along with what the C's said once, that the dedicated can't be given false information, paraphrased. This is who I am and what I see.

It's no wonder those who support Trump and see it differently won't post here. It makes you believe the negative is the majority and it is. The world is a big place.

p.s. Trump isn't narcissistic in the clinical sense of the term because he considers the welfare of others. He has a big, strong ego and is very self assured which is needed in his position.

 

[T.C.]

p.s. Trump isn't narcissistic in the clinical sense of the term because he considers the welfare of others.

Did you read his letter to Norway?

 

[SummerLite]

Did you read his letter to Norway?

I've observed Trumps behavior for 9 years where he's shown help and concern for many many people and those people are grateful to him. This is what I base my judgment on. What he says in a letter, which was likely over blown, means little to me. I'm interested in how things actually progress and not words. Although much of his words are very well founded often times they are made to get a reaction from others.

On ponerization in the US. The biggest example of this is the left who have been very successfully programed with TDS. The Trump supporters have their misconceptions no doubt but it hasn't gone off the deep end. They didn't buy into the program so their sanity was spared. That is the over all picture and there are instances where it wont apply.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Some arguments appear to be based on faulty logic and / or cognitive biases / the need for a saviour or external liberator.

All one can do is .

• Where is the list
• Someone said no forever wars
• What's this business about threatening the WHOLE world #nobelpeaceprize
• What about the Palestinians?
• What happened to the drug boats?
• Where are the voting machines in Venezuela?

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

#liberatevenezuelianoil

 

[Avala]

I'm not American, far from that, but I see that Trump is better than earlier American leadership. Also, I see that it is now a trend to hate him or to see him as a clown, even when he doesn't deserve that.

I think that he's "good" as much as the person in his place can be, and that he's trying to do what he can. Imagine what the world would look like if the previous satanist cabal were still in power. Or even if he doesn't win the election the first time. Even if it looks like he is doing nothing, the happenings in the world tell us that he is eroding them slowly.

 

[Ben]

I don't think FM258 is ponerized. He is expressing what millions of Americans agree with and see that support the POTUS. In this case it's where you are and what you see which is important. Here I see people interpreting current events from the same old play book which could be called programing. The only way to tell for sure is wait to see how things will play out.


You are talking about individuals here, are you absolutely sure there is no programing involved? A person who is honestly following the path, which requires constant inner observation, will often notice how many times they are wrong about things. I know this because I see it in myself. I place little value on "being right". So, in truth, you could be wrong. I don't think I'm wrong the same as you. But an opening must be present to allow new information to come in.

Over all most of what is expressed here is negative about Trump, OBVIOUSLY. It often appears that contrary views such as what FM258 expressed are quickly shot down. It's said this is being objective...hmm. It looks very one sided to me. The right man syndrome in full throttle? "You agree with us or your programmed and brainwashed". No one likes criticism and what I say here won't be liked for sure.

Both of you have completely missed TC's point. You aren't paying enough attention to your own bias, and you are projecting it onto others.

You should seriously consider the possibility that the reason members of this forum share so many negative things about the current US administration and Trump is because there are a lot of them to share. If anything, this forum has bent over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt at every turn. Few understand the forces he is up against like people in this group. There was a sense of optimism at one point and I think it has faded somewhat. Probably because enough time has passed to show that the Deep State remains in control and can work around Trump perfectly well.

 

[SummerLite]

The responses here are what I expected. Of course the list, there's always the list and then the defense of the group.

Both of you have completely missed TC's point. You aren't paying enough attention to your own bias, and you are projecting it onto others.

You'll see it the way you choose. I don't agree with what you are saying here and your wrong. I told people no one would like it.

 

[Jtucker]

I think many of us have sensed, or suspected that Trump would become a historically catalyzing and/or polarizing force. 4D "Polarization" may be the end result of the Metabolization of the western world Trump catalyzes to a new level of hegemony, or self-destruction. He has always sort of reminded me of the (probably fake) character of Nero.

I only speak for myself and few people I know, but the kinetics of Trump driving, for lack of a better term, 'western civilization' apocalypse, have to happen. History calls many to the stage, but few answer. Trump's done that. What him and his advisors may think or want is probably irrelevant to the end result.

The "cat is out of the bag" as we've seen from the speeches at Davos. I like it. Let hell rain/reign down and see who comes out of it. Not meaning to say I want to see any innocent victims hurt, but a lot of people in the elite, and upper middle class of Canada have been "asking for it" for a long time. Not due to being morally bad people, but by ignoring day to day reality and objectivity (myself included for a number of years).

Personally, if a long-lasting trade war happens between Canada and the U.S., my company is dead and I would lose my job. Many people I know would suffer. But it seems to me that all of this has to happen. Carney is probably an Undergrounder, but he's right, the "old world order is dead".

 

[PopHistorian]

 

[SummerLite]

My point of view on Trump is probably unique here because I'm seeing all thats happening in the country and the real progress thats being made. I am among the 80 million that approve of what he's doing and so this is quite different then most of the people here.

The "cat is out of the bag" as we've seen from the speeches at Davos. I like it. Let hell rain/reign down and see who comes out of it. Not meaning to say I want to see any innocent victims hurt, but a lot of people in the elite, and upper middle class of Canada have been "asking for it" for a long time. Not due to being morally bad people, but by ignoring day to day reality and objectivity (myself included for a number of years).

Yes indeed, he let them know and it was absolutely glorious to see! Awesome is the word. Finally these horrible people get knocked down several pegs. They are destroying their countries and the peoples lives, its terrible whats happening to Europe. It looks like the WEF has been seriously weakened which is nothing but good news!

Canada is in a serious way. It does feel like none of that can go on much longer. But what about Alberta getting ready to succeed and others to possibly follow, that would be a good thing for them.

I'm actually optimistic at the moment with where things are going..

 

[Jtucker]

I currently feel more optimistic as well.

Maybe because of my personality or stage in life, I like a big scrum, rather than "same old thing". Obviously, when the situation worsens, it becomes a threat to the security of many people. I don't want suffering for anyone, but as the C's say - there hasn't been enough of it on 3D earth for a real change.

In terms of Canada, Alberta has no way to secede constitutionally within the framework of Canada. The "Canadian Orwellian" thread on the forum explains the murkiness of the Canadian state's existence and actual "law" in Canada. It is much different than most countries.

From my perspective as a Canadian who's spent a good amount of time in the U.S since the 70's - as close as our economic ties are - there is a large cultural difference. Carney and his political machine knows this and that's why they have been so successful in duping the Canadian public. When I say cultural differences, it's not not only at a political or ideological level. It's actually a very big difference between working and middle class people from both countries. I do really like going to the U.S - and we're heading to Phoenix to see some petroglyphs in the desert in a couple of weeks. So none of what I'm writing is dislike for my friends to the south.

Winnipeg is very tied in to Minnesota and Grand Forks/Fargo ND. Most of us have visited many times. But, it is like going to a different world. Everyone speaks English and has seen the same TV shows, but it isn't the same. And it's not Red vs Blue state. Minneapolis and Grand Forks are pretty opposite. There is a "veneer", for lack of a better word, in America that unites Americans from my point of view.

This is only my experience (and also my friends and family's), but Americans come across as being believers in the "American Mythos". I can't define it. But whether I was at a jazz show in Minneapolis with "liberal" middle class people, or in the an Applebees in Kansas City with guys who have gold teeth chatting about the Chiefs' game, it's consistent with a belief that forms a different world view than I see with people here in Canada.

The "Elbows Up", TV News watchers here in Canada recently came to some phony realization of a "Canadian Mythos", but it's completely manufactured. Canada is a handful of geographical regions that are uniquely "Not American". We do also have our own cultures regionally. Quebec is its own nation. The rest of us have varying levels of historic and cultural cohesion, usually defined by geographic isolation.

I will agree with Ben and T.C. with what they have said above. It is really important to think critically, as best as we can, to minimize the cultural programming we have. I'm a "doomer" by standards of colleagues and friends for the future of Canada. The term, "Hard line Winnipeg", wouldn't make any sense if you're not from here, but I'm pretty much that.

Winnipeg is usually the "Murder capital of Canada". Our downtown is worse than it ever has been with drugs and crime. It's -30C tonight and that won't stop anyone from getting out there. Not a great place to live most of the time.

That being said, to check my "doomerism", I check out other regional "doom" (to find "good" - it's really just this forum). This is where the difference between Americans and Canadians can come to light from a Canadian perspective.

I follow a guy on YouTube who reports on police scanner calls in North Dakota and Northern, rural Minnesota. Very uneventful places by any American standards. The violence and crime is radically different than rural Manitoba (the connecting geography). Shocking amounts of weapon assaults and police confrontations in the middle of nowhere (note - Canada is the second most armed country in the world per capita - so it's not a gun issue).

I don't think it's fair to compare rural to a city. so then I watch the breakdown of neighborhood crime in Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago. Murder Capital of Canada, Winnipeg is nothing compared to those cities by any metric.

Me, and many others have posted that Canada isn't a constitutional entity. True. Whether it's the Crown, the Privy Council, The Bankers of the City of London or the Laurentian Elite in control, we don't own our democracy. But I do think the core of our culture is built upon local co-operation and self-sufficiency. In my opinion, America's unifying "mythos" does create a "veneer" for many who believe in it over the destruction of lost neighbourhood's and cities full of brutal crime areas, that aren't acknolwedged as a major societal problem.

That secnario is planned for Canadian cities, but it only started 10-15 years ago. It's been rampant in every U.S. industrialized city since the early-70's. Is it possible, globalism infected L.A., Detroit, New York, and Chicago long before it came to Europe or Canada at a working class level? Those neighbourhoods were destroyed by drugs and violence. I don't think any geopolitical solution exists to fix those issues.

 

[Ben]

The responses here are what I expected. Of course the list, there's always the list and then the defense of the group.

What list? The defense of the group would be better described as the defence of the principles of the forum and its purpose. You should expect that. Otherwise it's just another political discussion where we all take sides. We are better than that.

You'll see it the way you choose. I don't agree with what you are saying here and your wrong. I told people no one would like it.

Again that isn't the point and I don't like or dislike it. I don't want to see it the way I choose. I want to see it the way it is. That's the whole point, and if people here are trying to point something out to me I will at least consider that they might be correct.

If I openly address my biases here people expect it to be with the intention of reducing them, not embracing them or defending them. That was the whole point of TC's response to FM 258. There's thousands of places on the internet where I can go to justify my views based on my programming and have everyone support me because they like my views. You don't get away with that here.

 

[Noctu]

In my humble opinion, this discussion has been derailed somewhat. The title of this thread is the topic; Trump and his behaviour and how he and it are perceived and supported or not might be linked but they are not the topic. That's why I suggest we steer this conversation back in between the guardrails that were set in the first posts.

 

[iamthatis]

In my humble opinion, this discussion has been derailed somewhat. The title of this thread is the topic; Trump and his behaviour and how he and it are perceived and supported or not might be linked but they are not the topic. That's why I suggest we steer this conversation back in between the guardrails that were set in the first posts.

I see no derailing going on, just the networking necessary for keeping the fires of transformation lit and preventing us from going back to sleep. It's healthy for any discussion of a given topic to turn into a conversation about our differences, our biases, etc. Being able to think critically about the way we think is the underlying goal of every thread.

 

[PopHistorian]

IMO, Trump is espousing anti-globalism and exposing other national leaders as weak and harmful. This has positive aspects. But I also see how readily it could produce a blowback effect - a spiteful gang up against the infiltrated USA and its faded hegemony that might result in some chaotic things happening (whether or not the US deserves it is not considered here). Psychopaths fear exposure above all else, don't take well to threats or being pushed around, and we know the kinds of sneaky, vindictive, destructive things of which they are capable, especially under false flags. You can hear it in the cries of "the rules-based international order is shattered!"

Trump is certainly now exposing a political truth that acknowledges STS human nature, which Mao Zedong made famous in the statement, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Most other Western nations don't allow guns to their citizens, have poorly maintained their military capabilities, and, by discouraging nationalism/patriotism, have badly damaged their ability to win military recruits. Trump, with his power moves, is taking advantage of that, with Greenland being the most visible example at the moment. The National Security Strategy of the United States document published in November effectively dismisses Europe as too far gone militarily and ideologically/policywise. That seems to be reflected in writing by the Pentagon now: Pentagon to offer 'more limited' support to US allies in defence strategy shift.