Guidance needed

[kanader]

Hi all,

first of all, i want to apologizes if i shouldn't have use a new thread to discuss this topic since their are a few of the same here on this forum. I just didn't know if it was OK for me to use somebody else thread to explain my concern and to ask for advise regarding Reiki. Newbie here !

I'm about to take my Level 1 Reiki training in about 2 weeks and after reading on the subject here (how one should choose his/her master carefuly) i decide to ask my Reiki Teacher where exactly did she stand in regards to Reiki.

I ask her about her Lineage, about what her thought was regarding the different branches of Reiki. I ask her about the symbols (told her that i heard that some teacher use altered version of the power symbol, without naming this site).

After reviewing her answers, i must say that i'm a litle bit confuse with some of them. She is a realy nice person. I know her for a few month now. i had 2 hypnose session with her. this is actualy how i met her. I always had this fealing that she was i little bit new age in her approach to spirituality but she always has honest and direct answer to my questions.
she suggested me the service of a healer prior to my Reiki training because she sensed some blockade on me at our last hypnotic session. See thread here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30770.0.html

Anyway, here are her answers to my questions. I would appreciate any comment or suggestion.

Thank you all for taking the time...


Regarding the symbols

" That’s very simple to explain you , the reason for the different variation of the symbols is because at the beginning when Hawayo Takata thought Reiki, it was not allowed to write the symbols down on paper. So each student had to remember them without taking any notes home. This is why the Symbols got remembered from each student a little bit different, so that at the end when finally it was allowed to take notes, a few slightly different variations of the symbols where “born”.
Because the intension why you are using a specific symbol is the most important thing at all, it didn’t caused any harm that there was this creation of a variation of symbols."

" again, for the reason see answer above, even do the symbols are a little different from one Master Teacher to another, the meaning of each symbol is the same. Each symbol is used with an certain intension, and that’s the same intension with every Master/Teacher. Just use the symbol in the way you are receiving it from your Master Teacher. This is important , because he attunes you to this specific way of symbol."

"
That’s true , they are powerful tool. You will learn about it in level II. But they are not content of Level I, I can assure you that they cannot be used to harm , because the symbol as such they do not have or hold any power. It’s the intension from the person that uses the symbol, that makes the symbol powerful. And because Reiki is the universal Life Force energy, is accessing the universal Life Force Source of Love and Light, therefore the intension to use it is always for heal. And using the symbols with the intension to heal, gives them power only in a healing way. "

Regarding the reversed symbol

" There is a reversed version of one symbol, that’s the power symbol, and this reversed version has a specific reason. It can be used for an specific problem. But this will be content of the Reiki Master /Teacher Level. "

Comment: ???????

Regarding the altering of the symbol

Q: Altering them can mean something totally different to their original purpose

" No, because, like I said there is always an intension with the use of the symbol, and if you should mistake a little with drawing, the intension corrects that. But of course you know now about the variation, and why there is, and so you know now it’s not an altering as such, made with purpose. I am talking here of course about the symbols you have found in the internet while researching about Reiki. "

Comment:Naive ? or Love and Light attitude ? or both...


Regarding my spiritual path

"
That’s good to use your intellect to find your own opinion. I personally find it important as well to combine it with the wisdom of your heart. Asking your heart is very important on the spiritual path. Your heart is the center in your physical body that is connected to your higher self. That’s the best guidance you can have. And I think it’s important to make experiences on your spiritual path, only by allowing you to experience things that you feel are right to go into, because your heart sais so, you are able to grow. The head can research, analyze, make decisions, your heart can check if the decision is the best you can do in this very moment, and this leads into to making the experience ….and then the whole process starts all over again…and again. But you need to do all of the steps. Specially with Reiki the experience is so important, certain things are difficult to but in words. You need to experience them. "


Regarding her Lineage

" Now regarding my lineage, I have be attuned in each Level from a different Master Teacher. Simply because I have been travelling a lot in my previous profession as an artist. So came that I have done level 2 in Thailand. After Level I with the Reiki Alliance in Switzerland, Level II has been more spiritual teaching from that Master Teacher. I than meet a wonderful Reiki Master Teacher from England when moving back to Europe, and have done the Reiki Master/Teacher training with him.
So my lineage is influenced by 3 different Teachers. "

Regarding where she stand in Regards to Reiki

" Regarding to where I stand with Reiki: I believe that it is very important that Reiki is further developing as this wonderful technique of channeling Life Force energy, Reiki needs to grow as the technique as well. Reiki as such, the universal Life Force energy is always whole and complete, but the technique needs to grow too.
Just like humanity has changing needs while growing and heading towards a totally new level of existence, the Reiki technique needs to be adapted to this changing needs.
We are at a different stage right now then we where when Usui rediscovered Reiki.
Things like grounding, protection, clearings, and information about how energy works that are updated, is important.

One thing here is as well, that I teach the Reiki Master/Teacher Level all in one as Level III. And I do not charge a fortune for it. Because I strongly believe when I have checked if someone is ready for this responsibility of the Master, than it should be very affordable to make this step. More responsible Reiki Master Teacher the world has, the better!
There is a lot of un spiritual stuff out there related to this.

So , I am teaching Traditional Usui Reiki as the core, and I am doing this in a very spiritual way delivering to my students in addition to the traditional core information, what I feel makes sense, and what I have learned from my master teacher too. Reiki is a Path, something you live, and everything that is vivid is in constant change, Reiki changes your Life, you must be ready for this change and welcome it and then it is a wonderful thing, the most beautiful thing to awaken and grow spiritual.

I hope this helps.

With Love and Light and Reiki Greetings "


Comment: love and light...

 

[kanader]

one thing i forgot, which is relevant and add more confusion on my part:

" I have learned the Traditional Usui Reiki. And I am teaching the Traditional Usui Reiki. You may know that there is other kinds of Reiki, different styles like the Karuna Reiki, or Angelic Reiki, and many more. So I am teaching the Traditional Usui Style. "

 

[aragorn]

Hi, kanader, there sure is something off with the way this teacher talks about the principles of the traditional Reiki. This is in my experience very typical for someone who tries to enhance and sell their services - they try to mystify the whole thing. And, could be that she thinks she's 'special', adding a lot of wishful thinking in the mix.

Regarding the symbols

" That’s very simple to explain you , the reason for the different variation of the symbols is because at the beginning when Hawayo Takata thought Reiki, it was not allowed to write the symbols down on paper. So each student had to remember them without taking any notes home. This is why the Symbols got remembered from each student a little bit different, so that at the end when finally it was allowed to take notes, a few slightly different variations of the symbols where “born”.
Because the intension why you are using a specific symbol is the most important thing at all, it didn’t caused any harm that there was this creation of a variation of symbols."

Well, I can't say for sure if this story is false, but since we KNOW what the original symbols looked like, why not respect them and use them? Why would someone trust a teacher who didn't make the effort to learn these? Plus, the symbols arent' that hard to learn, for instance I can't imagine how someone wouldn't remember the correct shape of the choku rei, or sei heki. I do think that using grossly altered or reversed symbols can do harm, no matter what your intentions are. This was stated by the C's, too (in Wave vol. 2, I think). As I see it, the symbols aren't magick, they are 'keys' that enable transfer of etheric messages to the etheric body (paraphrased from The Wave).

" again, for the reason see answer above, even do the symbols are a little different from one Master Teacher to another, the meaning of each symbol is the same. Each symbol is used with an certain intension, and that’s the same intension with every Master/Teacher. Just use the symbol in the way you are receiving it from your Master Teacher. This is important , because he attunes you to this specific way of symbol."

This is naive New Age wishful thinking. Please use the original symbols - again, there's always a reason why a teacher of traditional Reiki would NOT use them. And that reason is either ignorance or selfishness.

"
That’s true , they are powerful tool. You will learn about it in level II. But they are not content of Level I, I can assure you that they cannot be used to harm , because the symbol as such they do not have or hold any power. It’s the intension from the person that uses the symbol, that makes the symbol powerful. And because Reiki is the universal Life Force energy, is accessing the universal Life Force Source of Love and Light, therefore the intension to use it is always for heal. And using the symbols with the intension to heal, gives them power only in a healing way. "

If the symbols are wrong, they speak the wrong 'language'. Who knows what messages are sent to the body? You could also ask her what she thinks about free will - should you ask permission to start 'healing' another person? Also, the guiding principle should be "whatever is good for the person/client", not "I have the intention to heal". The latter one is demanding something, trying to change the other person. And that's pure STS.

Regarding the reversed symbol

" There is a reversed version of one symbol, that’s the power symbol, and this reversed version has a specific reason. It can be used for an specific problem. But this will be content of the Reiki Master /Teacher Level. "

Comment: ???????

If she means a reversed 'choku rei', this is complete BS, and a major red flag. This can be true in her mind, in her made up version of Reiki, but I assure you this doesn't belong to the traditional Reiki.

Regarding the altering of the symbol

Q: Altering them can mean something totally different to their original purpose

" No, because, like I said there is always an intension with the use of the symbol, and if you should mistake a little with drawing, the intension corrects that. But of course you know now about the variation, and why there is, and so you know now it’s not an altering as such, made with purpose. I am talking here of course about the symbols you have found in the internet while researching about Reiki. "

Comment:Naive ? or Love and Light attitude ? or both...

Well, small drawing mistakes don't make a problem IF you've learned the correct ones. I mean, if you KNOW how it should look like, and you make a little mistake, that's no biggie as long as you don't reverse or completely distort the symbol.

Regarding my spiritual path

"
That’s good to use your intellect to find your own opinion. I personally find it important as well to combine it with the wisdom of your heart. Asking your heart is very important on the spiritual path. Your heart is the center in your physical body that is connected to your higher self. That’s the best guidance you can have. And I think it’s important to make experiences on your spiritual path, only by allowing you to experience things that you feel are right to go into, because your heart sais so, you are able to grow. The head can research, analyze, make decisions, your heart can check if the decision is the best you can do in this very moment, and this leads into to making the experience ….and then the whole process starts all over again…and again. But you need to do all of the steps. Specially with Reiki the experience is so important, certain things are difficult to but in words. You need to experience them. "

This is New Age 'mumbo jumbo' that doesn't take into consideration that without cleaning your machine, really seeing and knowing your self and your surroundings (including the negative side), you can't really trust your "wisdom of the heart". I mean, what your "heart" speaks could very well be a program running, letting emotions run your thinking etc. I know people who are very intuitive, but even they can make wrong choices if they are ignorant. I've noticed that propagating the 'wisdom' above, is brain washing you not to think with your own wits - notice how she starts by complimenting your use of you intellect and find your own opinion, and then right after she adds the BUT part, why you shouldn't do it (maybe her predator is scared to be exposed).

Regarding her Lineage

" Now regarding my lineage, I have be attuned in each Level from a different Master Teacher. Simply because I have been travelling a lot in my previous profession as an artist. So came that I have done level 2 in Thailand. After Level I with the Reiki Alliance in Switzerland, Level II has been more spiritual teaching from that Master Teacher. I than meet a wonderful Reiki Master Teacher from England when moving back to Europe, and have done the Reiki Master/Teacher training with him.
So my lineage is influenced by 3 different Teachers. "

Could be okay, but does she give the names of these different teachers? What is their lineage? Or is she trying to 'cover her tracks'?

Regarding where she stand in Regards to Reiki

" Regarding to where I stand with Reiki: I believe that it is very important that Reiki is further developing as this wonderful technique of channeling Life Force energy, Reiki needs to grow as the technique as well. Reiki as such, the universal Life Force energy is always whole and complete, but the technique needs to grow too.
Just like humanity has changing needs while growing and heading towards a totally new level of existence, the Reiki technique needs to be adapted to this changing needs.
We are at a different stage right now then we where when Usui rediscovered Reiki.
Things like grounding, protection, clearings, and information about how energy works that are updated, is important.

This is a major red flag, in my opinion. Pure STS forces working through her here. That little voice saying that maybe you should tweak and change it just a little bit so that it/you will become even more powerful isn't what a person striving to align herself with STO thought centers should be listening to. I probably would take this seriously if I heard Usui himself saying that. But with the other distorsions in this persons thinking, showing her ignorance, I can't take this seriously.

One thing here is as well, that I teach the Reiki Master/Teacher Level all in one as Level III. And I do not charge a fortune for it. Because I strongly believe when I have checked if someone is ready for this responsibility of the Master, than it should be very affordable to make this step. More responsible Reiki Master Teacher the world has, the better!
There is a lot of un spiritual stuff out there related to this.

So , I am teaching Traditional Usui Reiki as the core, and I am doing this in a very spiritual way delivering to my students in addition to the traditional core information, what I feel makes sense, and what I have learned from my master teacher too. Reiki is a Path, something you live, and everything that is vivid is in constant change, Reiki changes your Life, you must be ready for this change and welcome it and then it is a wonderful thing, the most beautiful thing to awaken and grow spiritual.

I hope this helps.

With Love and Light and Reiki Greetings "

Comment: love and light...

Wow, she really thinks a lot of herself! It could be useful and interesting to see her reaction if and when you cancel your participation. As Gurdjieff said, many people show their true colors when they are 'scratched' a little bit. For instance, if she gets irritated or starts lecturing you instead of calmly letting you have your free will of not participating, there's your final proof that you were rigth not to participate!

If you're lucky, you could get the proper attunings from her. But I wouldn't personally take my chances with this person. Is there any chance you could find another Reiki teacher in your area?

 

[aragorn]

I just wanted to add, that I do think that a decent Reiki teacher could be a little bit selfish and off with all the facts and still succesfully tranfer the proper attunements and teachings. Nobody is perfect etc.

But reading your description of what this teacher was saying, made me suspect her intentions. There's a ignorance and maybe misinterpretations of some of the facts - and this could be just her wanting to feel special - but to me the flavor of her sayings feels more like 'distortion by design', to suit her agenda. Not just mistakes, but mistakes with a purpose.

 

[kanader]

Hi Aragorn, thanks a lot for your reply.

Well, I can't say for sure if this story is false, but since we KNOW what the original symbols looked like, why not respect them and use them? Why would someone trust a teacher who didn't make the effort to learn these? Plus, the symbols aren't' that hard to learn, for instance I can't imagine how someone wouldn't remember the correct shape of the choku rei, or sei heki. I do think that using grossly altered or reversed symbols can do harm, no matter what your intentions are. This was stated by the C's, too (in Wave vol. 2, I think). As I see it, the symbols aren't magick, they are 'keys' that enable transfer of etheric messages to the etheric body (paraphrased from The Wave).

I must admit that her whole story about the symbols just doesn't make any sense to me. in fact that's what bother me the most in all of her answers.
i just cant believe that when you KNOW what the symbols represent and you KNOW that they've been altered, you still believe that it's OK to use them without harming someone ? and that from someone teaching traditional Reiki ?

I just cant believe that someone who learn the traditional way could be so naive...or there is something more at play here?

Could be okay, but does she give the names of these different teachers? What is their lineage? Or is she trying to 'cover her tracks'?

nope, no names given

This is a major red flag, in my opinion. Pure STS forces working through her here. That little voice saying that maybe you should tweak and change it just a little bit so that it/you will become even more powerful isn't what a person striving to align herself with STO thought centers should be listening to. I probably would take this seriously if I heard Usui himself saying that. But with the other distorsions in this persons thinking, showing her ignorance, I can't take this seriously.

I hear you. I think Usui would be sick hearing this.

Wow, she really thinks a lot of herself! It could be useful and interesting to see her reaction if and when you cancel your participation. As Gurdjieff said, many people show their true colors when they are 'scratched' a little bit. For instance, if she gets irritated or starts lecturing you instead of calmly letting you have your free will of not participating, there's your final proof that you were rigth not to participate!

If you're lucky, you could get the proper attunings from her. But I wouldn't personally take my chances with this person. Is there any chance you could find another Reiki teacher in your area?

well, i cant wait to see her reaction.
Switzerland is a small country...but i will keep looking for the right Reiki teacher till a found one.
I don't know if it should be a relief reading your comment or if should be pissed of myself for not being carefull enough...
i did 2 hypnotic session with her...my first ever two. And now a remote healing session from one of her Friend is scheduled...who knows what the outcome will be.
"all there Is,is lessons" say the Cs...well i learn mine, and I'm keep learning.

Thanks again Aragorn, Take care mate

 

[aragorn]

I think it would be wise to cancel your participation in the course, and definetely the remote healing, too. You don't have to give any reason, just say that something's come up that has made you reschedule things. Some years ago I got involved with a person like this, and she kept emailing me long after I cut my interactions with her, because she wanted to have the last word and lure me back to her activities. She run a school of a very distorted version of Reiki, something called Cammalot Seichem. I think if you search with those words on the forum, you can find my post about that experience.

I highly recommend reading Laura's Wave series, if you haven't done so. Reading about her experiences with a Reiki group in "Soul hackers" would be a good start.

 

[kanader]

I think it would be wise to cancel your participation in the course, and definetely the remote healing, too. You don't have to give any reason, just say that something's come up that has made you reschedule things. Some years ago I got involved with a person like this, and she kept emailing me long after I cut my interactions with her, because she wanted to have the last word and lure me back to her activities. She run a school of a very distorted version of Reiki, something called Cammalot Seichem. I think if you search with those words on the forum, you can find my post about that experience.

I highly recommend reading Laura's Wave series, if you haven't done so. Reading about her experiences with a Reiki group in "Soul hackers" would be a good start.

Hi Trondal, i did it. i cancel it. you know the funny thing? she complain more about the cancelling of the remote healing than the one to her own training?!?! actually, there wasn't a single word about why i did cancel the Reiki training...
she said that she hope i didn't do it out of fear because " sometimes certain energies try to influence you, so that they can stay ! " wait a minute, did she meant that I'm possessed with some kind of energies, which are actually influencing me not to do the remote healing ? wow !
i don't know if i should confront her about this, or just let it go...

I've read your posts on Cammalot Seichem. this is really scary stuff. i mean, Reiki is so corrupted now, that i don't think that any of it original tradition survive.

I'm reading Laura's Wave series, I'm on the 3rd Volume now. bought the kindle version of Comets and the Horns of Moses, was planing to start it this week.

"Soul hackers" ? OK will give it a try when i found the time. It's amazing how Many books are on the waiting list since I've read "Bringers of the Dawn" a couple of month ago. Reading was always my favorite past time...now I'm glad that i can read something else beside fiction or thriller books.

 

[aragorn]

Her reaction was expected, her remark being one last attempt to manipulate you. I'm curious, were you supposed to pay something for this remote healing? Because, this is something that 'Reiki con artists' just love: to do 'remote healing', charge for it, and in reality they might be reading the morning paper all the time. Or worse, doing some weird 'magick' just to keep you hooked, or something. Some even do 'remote attunements' for big sums of money. Who knows, maybe there was no 'friend' in the first place.

Recently, we had to throw out a reiki teacher from our association, when we discovered on her web site that she was charging for doing remote Reiki. According to the Usui tradition, for which our association stands for,remote healing should never be charged for. Because she declined to remove this advertisement, she had to go.

If I were you, I'd just let the whole thing go. Resist the urge to have the last word. Lets hope she will leave you alone.

To clarify, 'Soul Hackers' is one of the books in the Wave series, or maybe I misunderstood you?

 

[kanader]

Hi Aragorn, sorry for the late reply, was away for Easter...
Yes, the remote healing was against fees. She wrote her Friends an Email asking for the cancellation. Today i received the re found made via Paypal...

I may have found a new Reiki teacher...need to do some check before applying.

Yes , i known Soul Hacker. the thing is, i just purchase both kindle copy of Secret History of the World, and I am reading it right now.. I have Started the online version of the Wave series...now i need to figure out were i 'm exactly, where does Soul Hacker start/fit in relation to the online version ? I'm currently at the 3rd volume.

Do you happen to know where I can found a DVD of Meetings with Remarkable Men ? I checked with amazon but they are sold out...Most of the other retailer have the VHS version.

 

[Nienna]

I have Started the online version of the Wave series...now i need to figure out were i 'm exactly, where does Soul Hacker start/fit in relation to the online version ? I'm currently at the 3rd volume.

If you look here, it will show you the names of the books and which volumes they are (just scroll down to the Wave series).

Soul Hackers is volume 2.

 

[kanader]

I have Started the online version of the Wave series...now i need to figure out were i 'm exactly, where does Soul Hacker start/fit in relation to the online version ? I'm currently at the 3rd volume.

If you look here, it will show you the names of the books and which volumes they are (just scroll down to the Wave series).

Soul Hackers is volume 2.

Thanks for the info and the link Nienna, appreciate it.

 

[Nook]

Do you happen to know where I can found a DVD of Meetings with Remarkable Men ? I checked with amazon but they are sold out...Most of the other retailer have the VHS version.

Hi kanader,

Do you actually want the DVD version or just want to watch it?
I found two links on youtube for the whole movie (not in parts) here and here.

Reiki is so corrupted now, that i don't think that any of it original tradition survive.

Indeed. Keep us posted about how things go with the new teacher you've found and good luck.

 

[kanader]

Do you happen to know where I can found a DVD of Meetings with Remarkable Men ? I checked with amazon but they are sold out...Most of the other retailer have the VHS version.

Hi kanader,

Do you actually want the DVD version or just want to watch it?
I found two links on youtube for the whole movie (not in parts) here and here.

Thanks a lot Nuke ! That's very cool mate
well, i wanted the DVD because this is one of those classic movie that one should have. I've heard so many positives thing about it, that i will purchase it anyway when it will be released again. But with your link, i don't have to wait for who knows how long to watch it ...Thanks again. ;D

Reiki is so corrupted now, that i don't think that any of it original tradition survive.

Indeed. Keep us posted about how things go with the new teacher you've found and good luck.

Thanks. I have a good feeling about this one. He is not very close to where i live, but if his schedule fit mine, i don't mind doing the traveling...
Will keep you posted.


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[Nook]

Thanks a lot Nuke ! That's very cool mate
well, i wanted the DVD because this is one of those classic movie that one should have. I've heard so many positives thing about it, that i will purchase it anyway when it will be released again. But with your link, i don't have to wait for who knows how long to watch it ...Thanks again. ;D

Sure, no problem :)
I will keep an eye out for the DVD as well, in the meantime I've found a Spanish release that you might be able to utilize as it's in the PAL format.

 

[kanader]

Indeed. Keep us posted about how things go with the new teacher you've found and good luck.

Hi Nuke, as promised, here the last update regarding the new Reiki teacher.

Below is the original answer to my question in French, and the translation in English.

"Je suis enseignant traditionnel et indépendant et dans la 7. Position direct du Dr. Usui,
je suis indépendant car je n’aime pas la manière que les différentes lignes se combat, et
je conserve la tradition, pour animer mes élèves de surmonter mes enseignements et développer leur propre manière de travailler.
Pour moi dans chaque personne est un guérisseur, mais il faut le former et lui donner des outils pour se développer."

"
I teach traditional and I am independent, in the 7. Direct position of Dr. Usui (Lineage)
I am independent because I do not like the way that the various lines (branches or schools of Reiki) are fighting each others, and I keep the tradition, to lead my students to overcome my teachings and develop their own ways of working.
For me in every person there is a healer, but they must be trained and given the tools to grow."


Your impression ?

Sure, no problem
I will keep an eye out for the DVD as well, in the meantime I've found a Spanish release that you might be able to utilize as it's in the PAL format.

Yeah, saw that too, thanks. That will be an alternative in case the original version just run out.