Guilt as jailer

casper

casper

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Having come up with some completely new view of the world around me I want to share with you an article that I could find, searching for healing guilt.

Guilt and life in the past, leading to depression and devour nerves
Guilt is living with the burden of which is difficult to live.
In the Jaws of guilt man is chronically dissatisfied and day by day losing selfsame.
The only remedy is life in the present.
Sigmund Freud was right-the feeling of guilt and depression are closely linked.
Brain scans showed that the brains of depressed people respond more strongly to the guilt of the brain of those who do not have a problem with depression, which confirms Freud's theory that the feeling of guilt trigger for depression.
The feeling of guilt we are consumed and is an overwhelming burden with which it is difficult to live.
In the Jaws of feeling guilty man becomes chronically dissatisfied, day by day loses selfsame, withdrawn from the world and close in themselves, which ultimately results in depression.
The fault occurs when the mind begins to define what is right and what is wrong.
And according to the criteria and standards that is taught to parents, teachers, friends and society.
Analyzing the past, the trigger is for the feeling of guilt.
If nothing can change, digging into the wounds still bad.
 
Just remember that guilt is a weapon of the psychopath and the narcissist.
If you can forgive others, and forgive yourself, you will do OK.
If you have religion, then consider that 'Jesus died for your sin', so there's no need to re-crucify him.
I've heard it said that: "God loves the sinner, but hates the sin".
If you allow yourself to go on 'guilt trips', you become lunch.
 
casper said:
The fault occurs when the mind begins to define what is right and what is wrong.
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Try looking up some processes or meditations for breaking limiting beliefs. So if your mind decided to believe that something about you is wrong, see that limiting belief for what it is and then do what you can to change it.

Here is an example of a limiting belief:

casper said:
If nothing can change, digging into the wounds still bad.
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It is just a belief that "nothing can change" - you can just as well change your view of the world and see things from a different perspective. If you change this belief and start to see that change is possible for you, then it will be much easier for you in every respect.
 
for AXJ
When I said that nothing can be changed, and that is digging into the wounds bad, I thought of the events that can not be changed, but that just thinking only of those events, and not to the future does not allow our mind to perceive reality in the right way, and that we are blocked as things and events from the past and as long as such we are actually in prison, because of guilt.
 
casper said:
for AXJ
When I said that nothing can be changed, and that is digging into the wounds bad, I thought of the events that can not be changed, but that just thinking only of those events, and not to the future does not allow our mind to perceive reality in the right way, and that we are blocked as things and events from the past and as long as such we are actually in prison, because of guilt.
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I think prolonged feelings of guilt are certainly a form self sabotage and yes, a prison but one where we jail ourselves. Whilst guilt can initially be the 'wake up call' that may interrupt mechanical and entropic behaviours, holding on to guilty feelings and thus directing self hatred towards ourselves should really be seen as an 'unconscious choice' and is just as mechanical and entropic as the original behaviour which has caused us to feel guilty in the first place. This can of course lead to a spiralling vicious circle where the guilt leads us to become despondent and self hating and the original behaviour is repeated.

On the other hand, guilty feelings can certainly be an instrument for change but only if used in concert with the painful choice to act consciously. Our guilt can be used in a way to create a 'map' of the past, one which locates and identifies the dead ends and wrong turns, areas where we've not acted in accordance with our higher self/true will. This then leads to the real work where we figure out how to avoid acting in such a mechanical way, eventually leading to change in the present and a different level of being. So yes, guilt can potentially be a jailer but also a potent tool for liberation. Of course we can't change the past but we can always use the past (where we replace our guilt with conscious action) to change the future.........
 
I do not agree with Needleman in terms of his quotations, I think that primarily remorse and guilt two separate worlds.
When I spoke about the guilt I thought specifically to the guilt that arises in man because you wonder whether I did everything I could to get some things do not happen.
Repentance occurs when you do something and thereby hurt someone.
I was not able to do something, I could not be present and because I feel guilty because I believe that things would have otherwise occurred.
The past can not be changed, it is difficult to live with some decisions that others have made for you.
 
casper said:
When I spoke about the guilt I thought specifically to the guilt that arises in man because you wonder whether I did everything I could to get some things do not happen.
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As I understand it, if it is a question "did I do all I could" that refers to regret. Guilt arises when we realize we have done something wrong.

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I was not able to do something, I could not be present and because I feel guilty because I believe that things would have otherwise occurred.
The past can not be changed, it is difficult to live with some decisions that others have made for you.
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It may sound a little odd but sometimes we think as if everything was in our control, that we could prevent many bad things on our own. Then we proceed to beat ourselves up with guilt about why we did not do so. In such cases, it may be useful to consider what is (or was) really in one's control and what is (or was) not.

Rather than generalizing such discussions, it is sometimes more useful to come out with real life personal examples about which we may be thinking when we choose to ask or discuss subjects like "guilt". That way it is easier to see whether guilt or regret is the appropriate response in the context of a specific situation.
 
With 20 years I went to war .1991 during reconnaissance died and I replaced my friend who did not know much about the field like me.
Rather than lead people in one direction, led them straight to a firing range.
Many are mortally injured, a few remained disabled.
I can not get over what I did as a boy scout I was there because I know that this would have happened.
This is my cell, and my guilt jailer.
 
That is a traumatic situation with tragic consequences. It seems that you are suffering from "survivor guilt" as a part of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Have you sought professional psychological therapy about this?

Casper, I have not been in a situation like this, so I cannot speak from experience. However, it is a fact that you are not responsible for what happened that day. You are not responsible for the suffering of all those who were involved in the tragic incident. It is only human to think that perhaps you could have done things differently which would have prevented this tragedy but in reality you do not have such powers, none of us do. We do not truly determine the fate of others though we can unwittingly become a part through which fate works out.

You will remember the incident, and you can choose to mourn those who suffered and feel sad - for that is the appropriate response to reality. But you can eventually be free of guilt for surviving and not doing things differently.

Please have a look at this thread
Redirect which discusses a writing technique that has been shown to be effective for processing traumatic incidents.
Also, many members here have found that regular practice of the Eiriu Eolas breathing program has helped them with emotional processing of past trauma.
 
Have you read about some of G’s ideas, particularly the idea that we are asleep, not quiet conscious...

If we were a conscious species, I doubt there would be much fighting, don’t think anybody truly conscious when making decisions, awake like everybody else is awake, running programs, conditioned, with lots of stuff that is not quite ones own, forming part of an internal landscape, guiding decisions, with no real notion or realisation about the impact of anything, just like everybody else in the world, run by people who think they are in control, and a whole dynamic there, that just repeats itself over and over, like milling wheel.

Only like many ending up getting hit with colossal hammer, so to speak, trying to manage the incompressible, after the fact. osit

No way anybody make their decisions different, given a specific situation, if people aware/awake, no way anybody be there in the first place, you wouldn’t even be in a monastery, or a bar. osit

Since you here now, in your specific situation, maybe you figure stuff out, and maybe help others like you with similar god afoul experience, if you choose... I mean well and hope you understand what I’m trying to say... not even sure if I’m out of bounds here, anyway FWIW
 
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