Have you ever wondered why we (our countries) still use heraldic signs (coats of arms)?

[Claus]

First of all I wish you all a great day!

Now to my question, maybe it is ridiculous, but this one comes back to me every now and than, and maybe this signs are a sign for us, to show that even if a country do not have monarchy anymore, they still use the coats of arms they had in that time.
So I pondered about that. Is it because it was convenient, or should there be a hidden message?
It also could be because of "posing" (I don't know if it is the correct word for it, but show of isn't the right therm either.)
But it also could be a sign (for something that we allready know), the true form of government has never been changed, and monarchy was not the true form of government either.

What do you think about that? Is it a thing to go after, or is it ridiculous?

 

[whitecoast]

Thanks for starting this topic. It looks like wikipedia has some good info on coats of arms and more broadly heraldry. It seems like this could be seen as the early modern age forerunner to our modern concept of people or virtual persons (corporations, nations, etc) having a Brand; this has roots going back to antiquity, but received a major revival after the political and technological landscape began to change. These were used by heralds/messengers of nobles, kings, and so on, and was used as a proof of genealogy (almost like a copyright). It seems anlso like it was used as a precursor to the (relatively more modern) concept of a uniform to distinguish which side you were on in a battle.

Heraldry - Wikipedia

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My own family was actually gifted a coat of arms by the city state they lived in a number of centuries ago for outstanding service. I guess it was almost like a vanity plate, or getting to out your name on a building for significant contributions. It seemed to put a real feather in one’s cap.

 

[loreta]

The coat of arms of the country where I live is very, very beautiful. I love it. Look why. You can see the seven islands and the two dogs.

 

[mimimari]

This is an interesting question. I do not see coat of arms around much where I am at. I will have to look around for them.
Lol, would it be cool to have a coat of arms for SOTT and/or FOTCM?

 

[loreta]

This is an interesting question. I do not see coat of arms around much where I am at. I will have to look around for them.
Lol, would it be cool to have a coat of arms for SOTT and/or FOTCM?

This is an excellent proposition. And we can put the coat of arms on our clothes, our coats and jumpers.

 

[Potatoes and Tomatoes]

Last year, I painted a very large metal sign with the coat of arms for a local Manor house. It was double sided, quite a challenge but a wonderful experience. I love the delving into history and dissecting the information held there, remembering that in ages past where literacy was low in the population, symbology, colour and placement was everything.

 

[JGeropoulas]

These books by D. L. McElroy are excellent collections of signs and symbols used throughout history and cultures. His books are informative and generously illustrated to provide the stories behind 1,001 signs and symbols, from ancient hieroglyphs to modern-day political and subculture symbols.

Go to this page, scroll down and check out the Chapter 4 which shows some crests.

Signs & Symbols of the World

This informative and engaging illustrated reference provides the stories behind 1,001 signs and symbols, from ancient hieroglyphs to modern-day political and subculture symbols. What in the world does Ω mean? And what about its meaning might have led my coffee date to tattoo it on his entire...

books.google.com

 

[JGeropoulas]

Video: National symbols of different countries

 

[JGeropoulas]

Occult symbols in corporate logos.

Occult Symbols In Corporate Logos (Pt. 1): Rediscovering Their Ancient Magical Meaning - Richard Cassaro

The power of esoteric marketing is launching products to new heights which demonstrates a complete mastery of geometry, poetry and prose. These ancients arts move people to action by stirring an unconscious, cultural feeling. The big oil companies have used powerful and iconic ancient human...

www.richardcassaro.com

 

[loreta]

Video: National symbols of different countries

Some are really beautiful. India for example, with tigers in their coat of arms. I check for Russia and I found this one:

 

[Liliea]

It is interesting that you ask that question because recently in the Palestine thread it was commented whether Trump was a freemason or not and in what I was browsing around I found very interesting things about his ancestry and his heraldry.

Symbols are important because they are the way the unconscious can connect with the past and of course construct a reality, we look at all those shields, colors and flags in soccer or politics, the way they tend to establish a limit of authority and/or divide humanity. Umberto Eco, Italian semiologist and writer, developed a theory of the sign based on the idea that signs are not mere reflections of reality, but are social forces that construct and give meaning to reality.

To my way of thinking heraldry speaks of a family history, social history full of symbolism that not only denotes what is seen but carries a lot of unknown or suggested history, only possible for the one who searches. For example, the little dogs on the shield shown by @loreta
refer to the Canary Islands who are Can-arios (raza Can- Kan) and who I assume belong to what was once known as the Guanches (blond whites, blue eyes) indigenous to the island, who were taken there after the fall. Then one could speculate that the Canes (with all that entails) in heraldry or in classical paintings connote other things.
About Donald Trump, I found the following:
On whether DT is a Freemason it seems logical to me that he is and I deduce it because his father Fred Trump and his grandfather were, they were of German descent and belonged to the Tammany Society lodge or Columbian Order* through the *Madison Club* of Brooklyn, I think Donald was the right hand in the real estate business so from that time he was already very well connected, unfortunately the articles are under pay curtain.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/28/in-1927-donald-trumps-father-was-arrested-after-a-klan-riot-in-queens/
Then Trump's mother Mary Anne Macleod belongs to the *clan Macleod* of the Isles of Lewis in the Hebrides, *Clan MacLeod* can be traced directly to the *Knights Templar* of the *Crusades*, the family has a verified history of high level contribution to *Masonry* in Scotland. The history of the MacLeod heraldry contains many traditional and prophetic elements.
Historical Significance of its coat of arms:

The crest and coat of arms reflect the clan’s resilience and ability to endure challenges without being diminished, as embodied in their chief heraldic motto “Luceo non uro” (“I burn but am not consumed” or “I shine, not burn”).

When DT used an unofficial emblem to promote a controversial Highland golf course Donald ran afoul of ancient heraldic laws when he used an unofficial emblem as his surname is German and his mother is Scottish, violating an ancient Scottish heraldic law dating back to 1672 that prohibits unregistered coats of arms. so Trump does not have an officially registered coat of arms, The Trump Organization, however, does have a corporate coat of arms, which is used on his properties and merchandise If he has Templar ancestry that would put him in some *Masonic hierarchy*. Trump's heraldic arms, as used by his organization, feature a shield with three lions and two stripes, below a gloved hand holding an arrow. However, this design was modified to replace the lions with a two-headed eagle, representing Trump's Scottish and German heritage.
So it is with Donald Trump, even for those who don't know, his last name is really Drump.

Right to bear arms? Trump accused of plagiarising family crest

Donald Trump has been criticised for using another man's coat of arms, but what are the rules?

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[loreta]

To my way of thinking heraldry speaks of a family history, social history full of symbolism that not only denotes what is seen but carries a lot of unknown or suggested history, only possible for the one who searches. For example, the little dogs on the shield shown by @loreta
refer to the canarios who are Can-arios (raza Can- Kan) and who I assume belong to what was once known as the Guanches (blond whites, blue eyes) indigenous to the island, who were taken there after the fall. Then one could speculate that the Canes (with all that entails) in heraldry or in classical paintings connote other things.

I found this about the dog symbol in the coat of arms of the Canary Islands. I have to say that almost everyone has a dog, so it is a pleasure to walk on the streets of this city.

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The first mention of the dog in relation to the Canary Islands goes back to the Mauritanian King Juba II, who, between 30 and 25 BC, had sent a marine expedition that came across the islands. The discovery was described extensively by Pliny, who wrote that the Canaries received this name "for their dogs, two of which were sent to Juba". The Canary Dog is one of the oldest symbols of the history of the Canary Islands and has existed since the time of the aboriginals.

Even at that time, they formed part of their myths, according to Fray Juan Abreu de Galindo in his "History of the Conquest", who wrote that the inhabitants of Gran Canaria and La Palma shared the belief that demons appeared to them "like great fleecy dogs".

Archaeological excavations in several burial caves in Tenerife have shown that the dog was buried with his master, so it could "guide the soul to the region of the dead", writes historian, Manuel Curtó, author of the book, "El perro de presa canario, su verdadero origen". (The true origin of the Presa Canario.)

Nevertheless, in spite of these facts, there are other explanations for the name of the archipelago:

Historian, José Juan Jiménez, of the Museo de la Naturaleza y el Hombre (Museum of Nature and Man) in Tenerife, says the Canaries, in reality, owe their name to the "cannis marinus", a species of large monk seal that populated the coasts until the 15th Century.

Via the extinction of this species, brought about by the colonisers, attracted by their skins and, a translation error by Pliny, left out their existence entirely and turned history towards the dogs.

Contrary to what happened with the seals, the mixing of breeds between local and foreign dogs, did not bring an end to those native to the islands, because the Bardino has survived to the present day.

The relevance of dogs in the Canaries since the aboriginal era, has given their inhabitants an identity of their own and, has served them well for three centuries. Their image has been one of the most representative of the islands, becoming characteristic of them.

The positioning of the dogs, on guard, horizontal, on the shield and the flag of the Canary Islands, which at the moment are unmovable, because to change it would require a change in the Statute, is not an aesthetic one, but one that represents the force of the animal.

The English dogs that decorate the plaza of Santa Ana, in Vegueta, Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, which arrived in the island in 1895 are another example of the tradition of the dog in the Canaries.

Currently, preparations are underway for a project, "Gran Can", organized by the Town Hall in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, in which 60 large sculptures of dogs, in fiberglass, will be placed in the streets of the city from October to December.

A clear sign that, even if they change the corporate image of the Government of the Canaries, the dog will, for the moment, maintain it's position in Canarian tradition.