I think even when asked we can't really fix - we can *help* others fix their problems, but not do it for them otherwise what's the point?mamadrama said:
I don't think we're called, only we can call ourselves. We choose to change ourselves without necessarily judging our current state of being. So I mean, we don't have to judge our current state of ignorance and mechanicalness as wrong or imperfect. We simply make the choice to seek a different facet of creation, that of seeking knowledge and conscious control of ourselves. Both facets are perfect, so it's really just a matter of preference I think. What we choose for ourselves is just as perfect as the opposite choice of ignorance and enslavement.
I don't think we could ever interfere with the perfection of the universe even if we go around violating free will. There will be consequences for our actions, but both the actions and the consequences are going to fall within the overall "perfection" of the universe, imho. My perspective of this is that it's not so much any "perfection" that we're trying to preserve (because all things are lessons and so all are perfect, including violating free will osit), but it's just that we care about the free will of other beings and about their growth/evolution just as we care about our own free will and growth (neither being more or less important than the other). So we try not to impede either, and enhance both, osit.
I think maybe the confusion is that you use "free will" and "perfection of the universe" interchangeably, and I think although related, they're not the same concept. Free will can be violated, perfection of the universe and all things cannot no matter what anyone does, osit. So basically we recognize that it is perfect as it is already - even though it would ALSO be perfect if we were to forcibly change it (assumine we could). But BECAUSE it is perfect as it is now and as it would be if we changed it, then "improving it" cannot possibly be an objective reason to change it - since objectively it is perfect no matter what state it is in. And strictly speaking, "improving ourselves" is therefore also not an objective reason we're seeking to change ourselves. We're not becoming "better", we're just becoming more aligned with the objective state of the universe by choosing to SEE it as it sees itself. The reason for this choice?
The only thing I can come up with is that because it is in us to do it. Why is it in us? Why are we suddenly not satisfied with being ignorant and mechanical? What in the world is prompting this dissatisfaction with our current state? We know the universe is satisfied - it has no qualms about any state of anything. So why aren't we? I don't know, but possibly the answer has to do with "all there is is lessons". The C's referred to a learning cycle, and if we're at a certain point in our learning cycle, then certain choices are simply "natural" as a result of having reached that point. So then apparently it's not an entirely spontaneous decision/choice, there IS something inside that is driving that choice, some part of our being that is basically saying "ok now it's time to go in this direction..." and suddenly we have an overwhelming drive to move in a particular direction.
But that question is similar to why someone chooses STO and someone else chooses STS. The C's called either choice an emotional pathway. They also referred to them as a "persuasion". So is this a logical decision of where you calculate which is "better" and some beings simply miscalculate? Or is this purely an emotional choice, simply a "natural" desire to go in one of those 2 directions? Then I'd ask what is guiding that desire - what prompts us to make one choice over another? Is it just a consequence of our accumulated experiences which create a certain picture/assumption of existance within our minds, and due to those particular assumptions which create a particular perspective, our minds take that perspective and create certain preferences of direction out of it, which we assume is "better" simply due to those particular assumptions that we now have that were shaped by our accumulated experiences? So then choosing STS vs STO would not really be entirely a free will choice as much as it is a natural result of that particular assumption of creation that was created by the particular set of experiences we went through over multiple lifetimes?
Just looking at why I personally would prefer STO over STS, I have no concrete explanation or reason. I could not give a logical reason. For some reason I simply personally prefer the STO way of existance, and for some reason STS way of existance seems horrible to me. But then, if you ask someone who prefers STS, wouldn't he say the exact opposite? So we're back at the question - what is it inside that being that created that particular perspective and preference for HIM, and what is it inside me that created that particular perspective and preference for ME? I mean I could list all the "benefits" of STO, but they are only benefits if I perceive them as such, they are not objectively "better" than the "benefits" of STS.
I know Gurdjieff and other esoteric teachers say that the normal person does not see beyond his likes and dislikes. He doesn't know why he has those likes and dislikes, he just does, and he is basically a slave to them - those conditioned likes/dislikes govern his choices. But then, would my drive to go towards STO be just another conditioned like/dislike? I mean, I look at STO way of being and go "ok, I like, this is for me, I'm gonna do my best to BE that" and I look at STS and say "I dislike, I will do my best to stop doing that". But is this different than your average every-day likes/dislikes? Is it different than liking a certain type of music for example? I'd like to think it is.
But I inevitably return to "it's just in us to do this" - WHY is it in us, how deep is the root of that drive, I don't know. But if I'm 4th density STO someday and someone asks me why I'm there, I'd hate to say "I dunno, I just sorta preferred this over the alternative. Still can't figure out why I prefer it, I just do..". Maybe one day I'll know why - or maybe the above reason with experiences which form assumptions which form preferences of direction is exactly it? The C's say that at the root of all that we experience and all our choices are certain assumptions. Those arent' necessarily conscious ones, but more embedded into our being which define not only the reality we perceive, but what we can and cannot do (which seems related to the belief center of the mind..). And maybe all choices are rooted in simply having a unique perspective (aka, unique set of assumptions/beliefs) about the universe as a result of a unique set of experiences? And gaining knowledge allows us to change those assumptions, by some of them, which would also remove some of the restrictions on our perception and our free will? This would make our choices more informed, more profound.
There is a clue that in the end, in order to advance, STO must be chosen. STS can only go so far apparently, the rest of the way it goes as some sort of reflection for balance purposes.
