Healthy eating declared a sign of serious psychological disorder

Orthorexia; the lates eating 'disorder'

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1963297,00.html

Kristie Rutzel was in high school when she began adhering precisely to the government food pyramids. As the Virginia native learned more about healthy eating, she stopped ingesting anything processed, then restricted herself to whole foods and eventually to 100% organic. By college, the 5-ft. 4-in. communications major was on a strict raw-foods diet, eating little else besides uncooked broccoli and cauliflower and tipping the scales at just 68 lb. Rutzel, now 27, has a name for her eating disorder: orthorexia, a controversial diagnosis characterized by an obsession with avoiding foods perceived to be unhealthy.

As the list of foods to steer clear of (bye-bye, trans fats and high-fructose corn syrup) continues to grow, eating-disorder experts are increasingly confronted with patients like Rutzel who speak of nervously shunning foods with artificial flavors, colors or preservatives and rigidly following a particular diet, such as vegan or raw foods. Women may be more prone to this kind of restrictive consumption than men, keeping running tabs of verboten foods and micromanaging food prep. Many opt to go hungry rather than eat anything less than wholesome. (See how to prevent illness at any age.)

Yet when Rutzel first sought help for anemia and osteopenia, a precursor of osteoporosis triggered by her avoidance of calcium, her doctor in upstate New York, where she attended college, had never heard of orthorexia. "You should be trying to eat healthy," she remembers him telling her. He couldn't quite grasp that he was talking to a health nut who believed there were few truly healthy foods she felt were safe to eat. Her condition was eventually identified as anorexia, a diagnosis that organizations like the Washington-based Eating Disorders Coalition think is a mistake. The group, which represents more than 35 eating-disorder organizations in the U.S., wants orthorexia to have a separate entry in the bible of psychiatric illness, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

For the past decade, psychiatrists have been working on the fifth edition of the DSM — referred to as DSM-V — to refine the classifications used by mental-health professionals to diagnose and research disorders. Without a listing in the DSM, it's tough to get treatment covered by insurance. And for researchers angling for grant money, a disorder's absence from the DSM makes it hard to get research funded. (See "The Year in Health 2009.")

On Wednesday, the first draft of DSM-V was published online, kicking off a three-year process of public comment and further revisions that will culminate in a new and improved version come 2013. Orthorexia is not listed in this new draft and, despite the ongoing efforts of various eating-disorder groups, is unlikely to make its way into the final edition.

"We're not in a position to say it doesn't exist or it's not important," says Tim Walsh, a professor of psychiatry at Columbia University who led the American Psychiatric Association's work group that reviewed eating disorders for inclusion in DSM-V. "The real issue is significant data." Getting listed as a separate entry in the DSM requires extensive scientific knowledge of a syndrome and broad clinical acceptance, neither of which orthorexia has.

Most doctors think a separate diagnosis is unwarranted. Orthorexia might be connected to an anxiety disorder or it might be a precursor to a more commonly diagnosed condition, says Cynthia Bulik, director of the eating-disorders program at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "We don't want people to be mislabeled and not get the care they need because they're actually on the slippery slope to anorexia," she says.

Kathleen MacDonald, who oversees legislative policy at the Eating Disorders Coalition, agrees with Bulik that people should get the care they need. Which is precisely why she thinks orthorexia should have its own classification. Although Bulik and others often use cognitive behavioral therapy, in which patients like Rutzel are coached to replace obsessive thoughts with healthy ones, MacDonald worries there is not enough known about which treatments work best for orthorexia. "It's hit-or-miss," she says.

After seeking help at three different facilities, Rutzel finally embraced a program of meal plans that challenged her to gradually incorporate foods she had blacklisted. Still slim in a size 2, she is engaged to a man whose oldest daughter is 9. And Rutzel says she is looking forward to sharing her experiences with food with her soon-to-be stepdaughter. "It's O.K. to eat potato chips and Pop-Tarts," says Rutzel, "but only every now and then."

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Re: Orthorexia; the lates eating 'disorder'

Orthorexia was discussed in this thread.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13373.0

Can this be merged?
 
Re: Orthorexia; the lates eating 'disorder'

Odyssey said:
Orthorexia was discussed in this thread.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13373.0

Can this be merged?

Done. :)
 
Healthy food obsession sparks rise in new eating disorder

Looks like the psychiatric industry is trying to create a new mental disorder :scared:

_http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/aug/16/orthorexia-mental-health-eating-disorder

Eating disorder charities are reporting a rise in the number of people suffering from a serious psychological condition characterised by an obsession with healthy eating.

The condition, orthorexia nervosa, affects equal numbers of men and women, but sufferers tend to be aged over 30, middle-class and well-educated.

The condition was named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, and is described as a "fixation on righteous eating". Until a few years ago, there were so few sufferers that doctors usually included them under the catch-all label of "Ednos" – eating disorders not otherwise recognised. Now, experts say, orthorexics take up such a significant proportion of the Ednos group that they should be treated separately.

"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group. "Other eating disorders focus on quantity of food but orthorexics can be overweight or look normal. They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure'."

Orthorexics commonly have rigid rules around eating. Refusing to touch sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods is just the start of their diet restrictions. Any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also out.

The obsession about which foods are "good" and which are "bad" means orthorexics can end up malnourished. Their dietary restrictions commonly cause sufferers to feel proud of their "virtuous" behaviour even if it means that eating becomes so stressful their personal relationships can come under pressure and they become socially isolated.

"The issues underlying orthorexia are often the same as anorexia and the two conditions can overlap but orthorexia is very definitely a distinct disorder," said Philpot. "Those most susceptible are middle-class, well-educated people who read about food scares in the papers, research them on the internet, and have the time and money to source what they believe to be purer alternatives."

Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, said: "There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia. I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."

Jade believes the condition is on the increase because "modern society has lost its way with food". She said: "It's everywhere, from the people who think it's normal if their friends stop eating entire food groups, to the trainers in the gym who [promote] certain foods to enhance performance, to the proliferation of nutritionists, dieticians and naturopaths [who believe in curing problems through entirely natural methods such as sunlight and massage].

"And just look in the bookshops – all the diets that advise eating according to your blood type or metabolic rate. This is all grist for the mill to those looking for proof to confirm or encourage their anxieties around food."
 
Re: Healthy food obsession sparks rise in new eating disorder

Hi Manu, this subject was discussed in detail here:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13373.0
 
Re: Healthy food obsession sparks rise in new eating disorder

3D Resident said:
Hi Manu, this subject was discussed in detail here:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13373.0

Vulcan59 said:
Thanks 3d Resident. Manu, I've merged the topics. :)

Ooops! Thanks 3D and Vulcan. I've looked at the Sott Health section before posting but somehow I failed to notice the article. :huh:
Apologies.
 
SHEEESH !!!!! :O

They're coming to take me away Ha Ha ! To the funny farm !

I have a perfectly good reason for being thin, but someone ( I can't say who) doesn't like me to tell it.
 
We all gotta be good little sheep and eat our daily poison to keep the psychos in business :/. Which proves that without us, they are nothing. They need us to survive but we sure don't need them....
 
My first reaction to some of the articles that vaguely allude to any interest in avoiding toxic, genetically altered or other unhealthy food as being an illness made me think, "Do you guys know how silly you sound?". I can understand mainstream nutritionists being oblivious to the corruption of our food, but to decry anyone who tries to make healthy choices is ill? Give me a break.

Then I started thinking about my step son, who does suffer from anorexia. He was always a fussy eater. He never had male friends, only girlfriends and one of them was obsessed with her appearance and had an eating disorder. It didn't help that she was also a controlling bully. So, he ends up becoming appearance obsessed, thinking that fashion models with exposed ribs were the epitome of beauty and soon exchanged his healthy layer of fat (derived from eating high carb, low nutrition food) for an extremely skinny body by decimating his caloric intake. He would throw up frequently, although his attempts to hide the fact were often thwarted by his laziness and inability to adequately clean up after himself, so I would often see the evidence. By the age of fourteen he was buying anti-wrinkle cream and other beauty products one would see in magazines and fashion television.

After his diagnosis, he started eating better. However, he eventually became a vegetarian, as eating dead animals grossed him out. His intake is limited to only a couple vegetables (broccoli mostly) and tofu products. Occasionally he will eat a few seeds (sunflower, usually). He is still too thin but is convinced he is now eating a healthy diet and is obsessed with limiting his intake to the few items he eats. He has also become obsessed with exercising on an elliptical machine in the basement but needs to have the door locked while he does it, as he is overly concerned about how bad he looks while exercising. He cannot see he is still ill.

Just because he has switched his dietary obsession from limiting his intake to crappy food to better food does not remove him from the anorexic category. So, I have to question the need for yet another classification when, for all intents and purposes, the extreme obsession of limiting food intake to achieve a specific, albeit skewed body image, still presents the same outcome and still requires the same therapeutic approach.

Unfortunately for him, as he is now 18, he can and does refuse treatment. In fact, we have not been allowed to have any involvement in his therapy since he was 16, due to privacy laws.

Gonzo
 
Health Food Junkie - Obsession with dietary perfection

This article on BeyondVeg made me think about my relationship to food:

Health Food Junkie
Obsession with dietary perfection can sometimes do more harm than good, says one who has been there.

by Steven Bratman, M.D.

Twenty years ago I was a wholehearted, impassioned advocate of healing through food. In those days I was a cook and organic farmer at a large commune in upstate New York. Today, as a physician who practices alternative medicine, I still almost always recommend dietary improvement to my patients. How could I not? A low-fat, semivegetarian diet helps prevent nearly all major illnesses, and more focused dietary interventions can dramatically improve specific health problems. But I'm no longer the true believer in nutritional medicine I used to be.

Where once I was enthusiastically evangelical, I've grown cautious. I can no longer console myself with the hope that one day a universal theory of eating will be discovered that can match people with the diets right for them. And I no longer have faith that dietary therapy is a uniformly wholesome intervention. I have come to regard it as I do drug therapy: as a useful treatment with serious potential side-effects.

My disillusionment began in the old days at the commune. As staff cook I was required to prepare several separate meals at once to satisfy the insistent and conflicting demands of our members. All communes attract idealists; ours attracted food idealists. On a daily basis I encountered the chaos of contradictory nutritional theories.

Our main entree was always vegetarian, but a vocal subgroup insisted we serve meat. Since many vegetarians would not eat from pots and pans contaminated by fleshly vibrations, the meat had to be cooked in a separate kitchen.

We cooks also had to satisfy the vegans, who eschewed all milk and egg products. The rights of the Hindu-influenced crowd couldn't be neglected either. They insisted we omit the onion-family foods which, they believed, provoked sexual desire.

For the raw-foodists we always laid out trays of sliced raw vegetables, but the macrobiotic adherents looked at these offerings with disgust. They would only eat cooked vegetables. Furthermore, they believed that only local, in-season vegetables should be eaten, which led to frequent and violent arguments about whether the commune should spend its money on lettuce in January.

After watching these food wars for a while, I began to fantasize about writing a cookbook for eating theorists. Each food would come complete with a citation from one system or authority claiming it to be the most divine edible ever created; a second reference, from an opposing view, would damn it as the worst pestilence one human being ever fed to another.

Finding examples wouldn't be difficult. I could pit the rules of various food theories against each other: Spicy food is bad; cayenne peppers are health-promoting. Fasting on oranges is healthy; citrus fruits are too acidic. Milk is good only for young cows (and pasteurized milk is even worse); boiled milk is the food of the gods. Fermented foods, such as sauerkraut, are essentially rotten; fermented foods aid digestion. Sweets are bad; honey is nature's most perfect food. Fruits are the ideal food; fruit causes candida. Vinegar is a poison; apple cider vinegar cures most illnesses. Proteins should not be combined with starches; aduki beans and brown rice should always be cooked together.

Dietary methods of healing are often offered in the name of holism, one of the strongest ideals of alternative medicine. No doubt alternative health practitioners are compensating for the historical failure of modern medicine to take dietary treatment seriously enough. But by focusing single-mindedly on diet, such practitioners end up advocating a form of medicine as lacking in holistic perspective as the more traditional approaches they attempt to correct. It would be far more holistic to try to understand other elements in the patient's life before making dietary recommendations, and occasionally to temper those recommendations with that understanding.

Orthorexia Nervosa

Many of the most unbalanced people I have ever met are those who have devoted themselves to healthy eating. In fact, I believe some of them have actually contracted a novel eating disorder for which I have coined the name "orthorexia nervosa." The term uses "ortho," meaning straight, correct, and true, to modify "anorexia nervosa." Orthorexia nervosa refers to a pathological fixation on eating proper food.

Orthorexia begins, innocently enough, as a desire to overcome chronic illness or to improve general health. But because it requires considerable willpower to adopt a diet that differs radically from the food habits of childhood and the surrounding culture, few accomplish the change gracefully. Most must resort to an iron self-discipline bolstered by a hefty dose of superiority over those who eat junk food. Over time, what to eat, how much, and the consequences of dietary indiscretion come to occupy a greater and greater proportion of the orthorexic's day.

The act of eating pure food begins to carry pseudospiritual connotations. As orthorexia progresses, a day filled with sprouts, umeboshi plums, and amaranth biscuits comes to feel as holy as one spent serving the poor and homeless. When an orthorexic slips up (which may involve anything from devouring a single raisin to consuming a gallon of Haagen Dazs ice cream and a large pizza), he experiences a fall from grace and must perform numerous acts of penitence. These usually involve ever-stricter diets and fasts.

This "kitchen spirituality" eventually reaches a point where the sufferer spends most of his time planning, purchasing, and eating meals. The orthorexic's inner life becomes dominated by efforts to resist temptation, self-condemnation for lapses, self-praise for success at complying with the chosen regime, and feelings of superiority over others less pure in their dietary habits.

This transference of all of life's value into the act of eating makes orthorexia a true disorder. In this essential characteristic, orthorexia bears many similarities to the two well-known eating disorders anorexia and bulimia. Where the bulimic and anorexic focus on the quantity of food, the orthorexic fixates on its quality. All three give food an excessive place in the scheme of life.

As often happens, my sensitivity to the problem of orthorexia comes through personal experience. I myself passed through a phase of extreme dietary purity.

When I wasn't cooking at the commune, I managed the organic farm. This gave me constant access to fresh, high-quality produce. I became such a snob that I disdained any vegetable that had been plucked from the ground for more than 15 minutes. I was a total vegetarian, chewed each mouthful of food 50 times, always ate in a quiet place (which meant alone), and left my stomach partially empty at the end of each meal.

After a year or so of this self-imposed regime, I felt clear-headed, strong, and self-righteous. I regarded the wretched, debauched souls about me downing their chocolate chip cookies and french fries as mere animals reduced to satisfying gustatory lusts. But I wasn't complacent in my virtue. Feeling an obligation to enlighten my weaker brethren, I continually lectured friends and family on the evils of refined, processed food and the dangers of pesticides and artificial fertilizers.

I pursued wellness through healthy eating for years, but gradually I began to sense that something was going wrong. The poetry of my life was disappearing. My ability to carry on normal conversations was hindered by intrusive thoughts of food. The need to obtain meals free of meat, fat, and artificial chemicals had put nearly all social forms of eating beyond my reach. I was lonely and obsessed.

Even when I became aware that my scrabbling in the dirt after raw vegetables and wild plants had become an obsession, I found it terribly difficult to free myself. I had been seduced by righteous eating.

The problem of my life's meaning had been transferred inexorably to food, and I could not reclaim it.

Tacos, Pizza, and a Milkshake

I was eventually saved from the doom of eternal health-food addiction through two fortuitous events. The first occurred when my guru in eating--a vegan headed toward fruitarianism--suddenly abandoned his quest. "A revelation came to me last night in a dream," he said. "Rather than eat my sprouts alone, it would be better for me to share a pizza with some friends."

His plaintive statement stirred me, but I could do nothing to change my way of life until a Benedictine monk named Brother David Steindl-Rast kindly applied some unorthodox techniques.

I had met Brother David at a seminar he gave on the subject of gratitude. I offered to drive him home, and on the way back to the monastery, I bragged a bit about my oral self-discipline. Brother David's approach over the subsequent days was a marvelous case of teaching by example.

The drive was long. In the late afternoon, we stopped for lunch at an unpromising Chinese restaurant in a small town. To our surprise, the food was authentic, the sauces were fragrant and tasty, the vegetables fresh, and the eggrolls crisp and free from MSG. We were both delighted.

After I had eaten the small portion which sufficed to fill my stomach halfway, Brother David casually mentioned his belief that it was an offense against God to leave food uneaten on the table. Brother David was a slim man, so I found it hardly credible that he followed this precept generally. But he continued to eat so much that I felt good manners, if not actual spiritual guidance, required me to imitate his example. I filled my belly for the first time in a year.

Then he upped the ante. "I always think that ice cream goes well with Chinese food, don't you?" he asked. Ignoring my incoherent reply, Brother David directed us to an ice cream parlor and purchased me a triple-scoop cone. As we ate our ice cream, Brother David led me on a two-mile walk. To keep my mind from dwelling on my offense against the health-food gods, he edified me with an unending stream of spiritual stories. Later that evening, he ate an immense dinner in the monastery dining room, all the while urging me to take more of one dish or another.

I understood his point. But what mattered more to me was the fact that a spiritual authority, a man for whom I had the greatest respect, was giving me permission to break my health-food vows. It proved a liberating stroke.

Yet more than a month passed before I finally decided to make a definitive break. I was filled with feverish anticipation. Hordes of long-suppressed gluttonous desires, their legitimacy restored, clamored to receive their due. On the drive into town, I planned and replanned my junk-food menu. Within 10 minutes of arriving, I had eaten three tacos, a medium pizza, and a large milkshake. Too stuffed to violate my former vows further, I brought the ice cream sandwich and banana split home. My stomach felt stretched to my knees.

The next morning I felt guilty and defiled.
Only the memory of Brother David kept me from embarking on a five-day fast. (I fasted only two days.) It took me at least two more years to attain a middle way and eat easily, without rigid calculation or wild swings.

Anyone who has ever suffered from anorexia or bulimia will recognize classic patterns in this story: the cyclic extremes, the obsession, the separation from others. These are all symptoms of an eating disorder. Having experienced them so vividly in myself 20 years ago, I cannot overlook their presence in others.

A Menu or a Life?

Consider Andrea, a patient of mine who suffered from chronic asthma. When she came to see me, she depended on several medications to stay alive. But with my help, she managed to free herself from all drugs.

First, we identified foods to which Andrea was sensitive and removed them from her diet. Milk was the first to go, then wheat, soy, and corn. After eliminating these four foods, the asthma symptoms decreased so much that Andrea was able to cut out one medication. But she wasn't satisfied.

Diligent effort identified other allergens: eggs, avocado, tomatoes, barley, rye, chicken, beef, turkey, and tuna. These too Andrea eliminated and was soon able to drop another drug entirely. Next went broccoli, lettuce, apples, and trout--and the rest of her medications.

Unfortunately, after about three months of feeling well she began to discover sensitivities to other foods. Oranges, peaches, celery, and rice didn't suit her, nor did potatoes, turkey, or amaranth biscuits. The only foods she could definitely tolerate were lamb and (strangely) white sugar.

Since she couldn't live on those foods alone, Andrea adopted a complex rotation diet, alternating grains on a meal-by-meal basis, with occasional complete abstention to allow her to "clear." She did the same for vegetables with somewhat more ease, since she had a greater variety to choose from.

Recently, Andrea came in for a visit and described the present state of her life. Wherever she goes, she carries a supply of her own food. She doesn't go many places. Most of the time she stays at home and thinks carefully about what to eat next, because if she slips up, the consequences continue for weeks. The asthma doesn't come back, but she develops headaches, nausea, and strange moods. She must continuously exert her will against cravings for foods as seemingly innocent as tomatoes and bread.

She was pleased with her improvement and referred many patients to me. But I began to feel ill whenever I saw her name on my schedule. The first rule of medicine is "above all, do no harm." Had I really helped Andrea, or had I harmed her? If she had been cured of cancer or multiple sclerosis, the development of an obsession might not be too high a price to pay. But when we started treatment, all she had was asthma. If she took her four medications, she also had a life. Now all she has is a menu. She might have been better off if she had never heard of dietary medicine.

I am generally lifted out of such melancholy reflections by success stories. I have another client whose rheumatoid arthritis was thrown into total remission by one simple intervention: adding foods high in trace minerals to his diet. Before he met me, he took prednisone, gold shots, and anti-inflammatories. Now he has gone a full year without a problem. Seeing him encourages me not to give up entirely on making dietary recommendations.

But my enthusiasm will remain tempered. Like all medical interventions--like all solutions to difficult problems--dietary medicine dwells in a grey zone of unclarity and imperfection. It's neither a simple, ideal treatment, as some of its proponents believe, nor the complete waste of time conventional medicine has too long presumed it to be. Diet is an ambiguous and powerful tool, too complex and emotionally charged to be prescribed lightly, yet too powerful to be ignored.


_http://www.beyondveg.com/bratman-s/hfj/hf-junkie-1a.shtml

This comment on the article is also interesting, in this sections are more articles about the psychology of idealistic diets.

After reading all this I really must admit, that I fit into the scheme of a "Health Food Junkie".

Since I changed my diet regarding what I think as the truth right now, I feal guilty, when I eat something which doesn't fit into this rules (Until yet I didn't have the desire to break my rules, but it changes ones own life because eating is an important factor of socialising) . I also think alot about food and it's impact on health and myself in general.

It's not that I think about food all day, after my new diet became my habit I no longer thought much about it. But I still try to figure out the 100% optimal diet, doing research about diet, etc.

I highly prefer organic foods and try to avoid sugar but my most important rules are no grains, no milk, no soy, no processed junk-food (At the moment I prefer the paleo diet). But even only this four rules making it necessary to be vigilant all day about what you eat.

The author says: "Many of the most unbalanced people I have ever met are those who have devoted themselves to healthy eating." I experienced the same. There are a lot long living healthy people who didn't think about food once in their whole life. And there are young people, who tried many diets and after years of dietary obsession to different diets they are still unhappy and ill. It seems that an extreme diet is a symptom for mental unbalance.

Now I think maybe I am exactly a victim of Orthorexia Nervosa, like described above. Not in every way (for example I do not have dogmas and I do not see diet as the only way to health), but some of those descriptions are true for me. Perhaps it does more harm than good, to follow personal diet rules without exeptions...

Do you make exeptions on your diet, when you meet friends or something else where you have to leave your home?
What do you think about this article and do you agree with the author?
 
Re: Health Food Junkie - Obsession with dietary perfection

Do you make exeptions on your diet, when you meet friends or something else where you have to leave your home?


That depends. Most times we meet with friends for a social event, like going to a movie, where we don't need to end the night with a meal. Other times I make sure we go to a place that I can find something to eat. Luckily most places have meat and veggies. ;) Its not that hard for me to find things to eat, I have no problem eating a salad without dressing, for one example.



What do you think about this article and do you agree with the author?

I think the author is splitting hairs, and giving the appearance of neurosis over healthy eating where there may not be any issue, and it can paint people with clear medical problems as 'hysterical' or 'disordered.' He's alluding to the religious fervor of radical vegans and other idealistic eaters as a pathological disorder, from having lived in a commune.

That is completely different from the eating that is encouraged on the forum here. I for one discovered I'd been eating foods I'm seriously allergic to once I began testing foods.

My mother knew I was allergic to wheat, dairy, corn, and soy not long after I was born. It was in the sixties in the US, and there wasn't much to feed me that would not lead to health problems. Instead of spending time to find whatever would work, she fed me what she knew I shouldn't eat, because I didn't show obvious signs that it was really bad for me, like tree nuts. Tree nuts caused a clear allergic reaction she could see. If I ate something like soy, and corn, and didn't have a reaction right away, she fed it to me.

I think this is the same kind of 'blindness' that the public and some doctors, and this author appear to be working from: if it isn't causing an immediate bad allergic reaction, you can eat whatever you want, and if you don't, then you must be neurotic about it, or choosing to eat a certain way due to mistaken 'beliefs.'

I can tell you plainly, this isn't the case with most of us here. The most vigilant person in my home about what I eat happens to be my Husband. Why? Because he's seen what happens to me when I eat something I shouldn't. We've both learned to cook without the foods that cause problems, and my gluten free cherry cobbler happens to be one of his favorites, as is Scottish Meat Pies. We look forward to eating at home more than going out. When we do go out to eat, its at a place that offers gluten free foods, its become a kind of adventure to see if the offerings are any good. :D (And if its bad, we always have leftovers at home.)

There are dishes I am willing to eat and suffer for later: Laura's Dahl being a big one. As for the authors point about social isolation? I think that's bunk. Has he never heard of a potluck dinner with friends? A barbecue? If we go to a friends for dinner, I bring what I can eat and share it, especially dessert. None of my friends have a problem with this. When my friends see how much better I can walk from avoiding pizza, they don't automatically assume they can't eat pizza in front of me, they just salivate because they know I'm going to be bringing a gluten free cherry cobbler. ;)
 
Re: Health Food Junkie - Obsession with dietary perfection

Actually I've read that article and have been to that site several times as they do have a few interesting ideas, particularly about vegetarianism.

I hesitate sometimes to call the way I eat a diet. To me, it's more a way of life. I was one of those people who never had noticeable reactions to foods before removing the big 5. When I reintroduced them to test for a reaction, I found I did have symptoms. The really funny thing was that they were the same reactions I was having before but just ignored. So it's for those reasons in addition to the research done that I stay away from those foods. For me, it's not an emotional decision. One could say that it's really for the quite selfish reason that I don't like feeling tired, congested and sometimes now in pain that I continue to not eat these foods.

I do eat vegetables sometimes as I don't currently notice any reaction to them. I also don't intend to cut out any further foods unless something drastic happens.

To me, this "diet" looks the way it does because of the current research and not because there is an emotional attachment to it. It's just what works best for me.

Stranger said:
Do you make exeptions on your diet, when you meet friends or something else where you have to leave your home?
I was never a big fan of eating out even before switching over. What I do now if I find myself in a situation with family or friends is I find something on the menu that is the healthiest. Usually that's something with unbreaded fish and vegetables with a glass of water. That way no one else has to make concessions and neither do I. People usually don't notice any difference as I don't make a big deal out of it.

The main point is for me to eat so that neither I or anyone else is uncomfortable whether physically or emotionally.

Just saw your post Gimpy. In relation to the potluck, if anyone has ever been to one of those, I can assure you that you won't be disappointed! We've had people there who weren't on the diet and they loved it!

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Re: Health Food Junkie - Obsession with dietary perfection

Thanks for your answers! They really helped me.

I think reading the article put me in a quite emotional state due to some negative past experiences. When examining the facts, I have do admit that my previous statement (having the described disorder) was wrong:

- I do not switch between cyclic extremes.
- I never had overwhelming desire to eat foods I refuse.
- As you, I base my diet on science, research, personal experiences and on the outcome of better health, not maintaining a believe system.
- I am not obsessed by food and I don't think about it all day long (I only try to find the best way to avoid hunger cravings and negative impact to stabilize my health for better functioning in this world)
- Diet wasn't the reason why I seperated from others.
- You only crave food if you don't allow yourself to eat certain important natural whole foods, such as meat, fish or vegetables. (For example I knew a raw-fruitarian who cheated on honey because otherwise she would founder in depression. Later she ate bread-sticks made of wheat because with only fruits she was to "spiritual" for communicating with other humans. She said her goal is to live with other fruitarians because all people who eat cooked can't think anymore and therefore you don't need to listen to them because they talk crap, anyway. If they enjoy something cooked they must be insane.) So I never would react like the author, craving all those non-foods.

The reason why I reacted to this article was because my parents sometimes behave like I have mental problems when I talk about diet related diseases. They don't want to accept the fact that diet is important so they say it's all in the mind and you just have to live with happiness regardless what you eat. Since I am not always happy, it's my "obsession" with diet and health in general that is responsible for that state of mind. :rolleyes:

The only case where I could be too insistent is with organic food, I barely eat non-organic (Not only for health reasons). But it's just not rational to eat something which was poisoned before.

[quote author=Gimpy]I think the author is splitting hairs, and giving the appearance of neurosis over healthy eating where there may not be any issue, and it can paint people with clear medical problems as 'hysterical' or 'disordered.' He's alluding to the religious fervor of radical vegans and other idealistic eaters as a pathological disorder, from having lived in a commune. [/quote]

Yep, I know that. But good to be reminded, I just reacted impulsively. ;)

[quote author=truth seeker]I hesitate sometimes to call the way I eat a diet. To me, it's more a way of life. I was one of those people who never had noticeable reactions to foods before removing the big 5. When I reintroduced them to test for a reaction, I found I did have symptoms. The really funny thing was that they were the same reactions I was having before but just ignored. [/quote]

I may be in doubt as well because I never had severe diseases or allergies before excluding the bad foods. So my confidence on this is quite low at the moment. I am working on it, but it needs time to figure out how I react to those foods.
 
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