Heart attack recovery.

[SeekinTruth]

Just wanted to bring to your attention, chaps23, that some of the things in Orthoplex B Vital don't look so good. Lecithin-soy phosphatidyl serine enriched 111 mg is the big problem from a quick glance. Soy is really evil and around 90% of all soy is now genetically modified. So what are the chances that the source is GMO-free in this case (which would make it even more evil than non-GMO soy).

The other thing is Cyanocobalamin (vitamin B12) 111 µg. This is not the best form of vitamin B12 and can be toxic in large doses taken regularly. It's better to get B12 from red meat and if supplementing, to use a much better form such as Methylcobalamin (Methyl B12) which is also better absorbed and retained. Just some things to think about. You might also want to do a search on these issues on SOTT Health and Wellness and here on the Diet and Health section of the forum. FWIW.

 

[chaps23]

Just wanted to bring to your attention, chaps23, that some of the things in Orthoplex B Vital don't look so good. Lecithin-soy phosphatidyl serine enriched 111 mg is the big problem from a quick glance. Soy is really evil and around 90% of all soy is now genetically modified. So what are the chances that the source is GMO-free in this case (which would make it even more evil than non-GMO soy).

The other thing is Cyanocobalamin (vitamin B12) 111 µg. This is not the best form of vitamin B12 and can be toxic in large doses taken regularly. It's better to get B12 from red meat and if supplementing, to use a much better form such as Methylcobalamin (Methyl B12) which is also better absorbed and retained. Just some things to think about. You might also want to do a search on these issues on SOTT Health and Wellness and here on the Diet and Health section of the forum. FWIW.

I had not noticed that! but for fear of not finding a suitable supp in short amount of time it is essential to get as much nutrience as possible into *M's* body, its better than the bread rolls & high carb diet he was on before. Thanks SeekinTruth for your input, did you have any suggestions of a multi with as much in it? Its great that it has ALA- Magnesium- Potassium and heaps of stuff he really needs at the moment. Should I take him off it? I guess I can just show him the information and let him make his own decision. He is also on Wild Fish Oil tablets 12 Grams a day, I was thinking also Acteyl L Carnitine as it will help fat metabolism since he is quite lethargic.

His blood work has come back very promising indeed! The good news has really lifted his spirits! meaning no more dialysis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks again team.

 

[SeekinTruth]

No, I don't have any suggestions for a good multi-vitamin/multi-mineral combo. They all seem to have something that is bad or less than optimal. It's important to have the right supplements when he's recovering AND adapting to his new diet (including Acetyl L Carnitine for the transition). I'm just concerned about the soy, really. Otherwise the form of B12 wouldn't be so bad if he got off of it as he was getting plenty from the meat in the diet. But, as I said, I'm not sure if having the soy in there is worth taking it.

Maybe try to look for another supplement that includes NO soy on the label (as well as no gluten, etc.).

 

[Gaby]

Brent, DMSO cream is the thing to try in case of neuropathic pain, but also B-complex vitamins which the family doctor can look into.

You all have to self-educate a lot into drug interactions, but as you see, is doable and if there is a doctor cooperating and doing blood test controls, it will certainly be much doable.

Know that kidney function has to be monitored closely. If it is compromised, not going over 0.8 grams of protein per kilo of ideal body weight is wise.

N-acetylcysteine has also been used in drug addictions with success and as it happens, it also protects kidney function:

Safety and Tolerability of N-Acetylcysteine in Cocaine-Dependent Individuals

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1513138/

There were trends for a greater reduction in withdrawal symptoms and craving within the NAC condition. These preliminary results suggest that NAC is well tolerated in healthy, cocaine-dependent individuals and may reduce cocaine-related withdrawal symptoms and craving. (Am J Addict 2006;15:105-110)

Dietary Supplement Helps Curb Cravings to Treat Addictions
_http://www.creators.com/health/rallie-mcallister-your-health/dietary-supplement-helps-curb-cravings-to-treat-addictions.html

The findings support earlier reports that N-acetyl cysteine might be useful in the treatment of addictions. In 2002, researchers at the Medical University of South Carolina demonstrated that the dietary supplement helped reduce cravings and drug-seeking behavior in rats addicted to cocaine.

Long-term use of cocaine interferes with normal glutathione regulation in the brain. When an addict stops using the drug, glutathione levels take a nose dive.

Small amounts of cocaine can produce relatively large surges in glutathione — and feelings of intense pleasure — in individuals addicted to the drug. Treatment with N-acetyl cysteine not only restores glutathione levels to normal, it also helps prevent levels from spiking following cocaine use.

Preliminary research suggests that the dietary supplement may also be useful in the treatment of individuals suffering from methamphetamine addiction.

Although its use in the treatment of drug addictions is relatively new, the amino acid is an established remedy for a number of other conditions.

N-acetyl cysteine has been used in hospitals for more than 25 years as an antidote to acetaminophen (Tylenol) overdose.

Excessive amounts of acetaminophen can cause liver damage, and even death, by depleting glutathione in the body. When administered within roughly 36 hours of an acetaminophen overdose, N-acetyl cysteine can replenish glutathione stores, helping protect the liver from injury.

The supplement is also used to prevent kidney damage and renal failure. According to the results of a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, it protects the kidneys from the potentially harmful effects of contrast dyes administered prior to radiographic tests and procedures.

A large body of scientific evidence supports the benefits of N-acetyl cysteine therapy in individuals with cystic fibrosis and other serious lung diseases. The supplement has been shown to help break up mucus and improve pulmonary function.

Several studies suggest that N-acetyl cysteine may play a role in the prevention of certain degenerative brain disorders by boosting glutathione levels. Glutathione is markedly reduced in the brains of individuals with Parkinson's disease.

N-acetyl cysteine also shows promise in the treatment of a number of infectious illnesses, ranging from influenza to AIDS. Studies show that when taken regularly, it reduces the severity of flu symptoms in adults and can significantly improve immunity in individuals suffering from AIDS.

In animal studies, N-acetyl cysteine has been shown to be protective against a number of cancer-causing agents. Rats treated with the amino acid developed significantly less lung damage when exposed to cigarette smoke and asbestos than rats that did not receive the supplement.

N-acetyl cysteine is generally safe and well-tolerated in daily doses ranging from 500 to 1,200 milligrams. Side effects are rare, but may include mild abdominal cramping or bloating.

N-acetyl cysteine is inexpensive and readily available — you can find it in most stores that sell nutritional products.

I would look into starting NAC right away.

 

[chaps23]

It's important to have the right supplements when he's recovering AND adapting to his new diet (including Acetyl L Carnitine for the transition).

Hi Seekin Truth I will start reading more labels and see what I can find, could you please clarify what you meant by the including acetyl L carnitine? as in stop taking it or what sorry I just cant understand the phrasing.

Hi Psyche again you have been amazing helping us through this, I will definately start showing *m* this and see what he thinks, we are currently looking at Inkephalin another Orthaplex product which has in studdies (which I cant seem to find directly right now but I have seen them) that it may be of assistance for Chronic pain, Addictive behaviour, Depression, Alcoholism. I think this might be very useful.

Wikipedia Clip,

Phenylalanine (abbreviated as Phe or F)[2] is an α-amino acid with the formula C6H5CH2CH(NH2)COOH. This essential amino acid is classified as nonpolar because of the hydrophobic nature of the benzyl side chain. L-Phenylalanine (LPA) is an electrically neutral amino acid, one of the twenty common amino acids used to biochemically form proteins, coded for by DNA. The codons for L-phenylalanine are UUU and UUC. Phenylalanine is a precursor for tyrosine, the monoamine signaling molecules dopamine, norepinephrine (noradrenaline), and epinephrine (adrenaline), and the skin pigment melanin.

Phenylalanine is found naturally in the breast milk of mammals. It is used in the manufacture of food and drink products and sold as a nutritional supplement for its reputed analgesic and antidepressant effects. It is a direct precursor to the neuromodulator phenylethylamine, a commonly used dietary supplement.
Other biological roles

L-Phenylalanine is biologically converted into L-tyrosine, another one of the DNA-encoded amino acids. L-tyrosine in turn is converted into L-DOPA, which is further converted into dopamine, norepinephrine (noradrenaline), and epinephrine (adrenaline). The latter three are known as the catecholamines.

Phenylalanine uses the same active transport channel as tryptophan to cross the blood–brain barrier, and, in large quantities, interferes with the production of serotonin.

Inkephalin summary:

Dosage:
1-3 tablets daily one hour before meals or as prescribed.
Each tablet contains:
dl-Phenylalanine 400 mg
Glutamine 25 mg
Magnesium oxide 100 mg
(equiv. magnesium 60 mg)
Pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6) 5 mg
Thiamine hydrochloride (vitamin B1) 50 mg
Tryptophan 25 mg
Zinc gluconate 25 mg
(equiv. zinc 3.4 mg)

Inkephalin Indications:

Contains phenylalanine, a natural amino aid precursor to tyrosine, dopamine, epinephrine and norepinephrine
Contains tryptophan, a natural amino acid precursor to serotonin
Gluten free
Glucose free
Lactose free
Vegetarian

The active ingredients in Inkephalin, when appropriately prescribed, may assist patients suffering from the above conditions. This statement does not imply or make a claim for a cure of these disorders. The use of Inkephalin should be based on the published and relevant scientific and clinical data for each condition.

Cautions and Contraindications:
Patients with phenylketonuria need to be cautious of supplements containing phenylalanine. Use with caution in patients taking antidepressant medications.
Benefits of Inkephalin compared with other suppliers

Designed specifically for patient-prescription by healthcare practitioners, therefore meets the highest standards.

I have heard great results from people and have been taking it my self only 1 a day instead of a cup of coffee,

 

[Gaby]

I have heard great results from people and have been taking it my self only 1 a day instead of a cup of coffee,

I first read about this amino in this forum and in the Mood Cure book. It is for dopamine imbalances.

People with low dopamine levels tend to crave chocolate, caffeine and seek out stimulating experiences to boost up their dopamine levels. They may have marijuana or alcohol addictions, or other addictions. A lack of capacity to focus, lack of motivation, low-energy levels, struggle to get motivated to exercise, tendency to sleep too much are other symptoms of a lack of dopamine.

DLPA (DL-phenylalanine) and L-tyrosine are dopamine precursors. DLPA is a precursor for L-tyrosine. They are amino acids which can be bought in powder forms in bulk size or capsules. But the supplement you found looks like a good option as well.

I had tried DLPA, which I just took for a few days as it can have a crashing effect after a few days of very good mood. You can use it as mood enhancer occasionaly and I personally think it is a better option than L-tyrosine because it has other effects. Those who don’t respond to L-tyrosine generally do so to DLPA.

DL-phenylalanine inhibits the breakdown of endorphin- and enkaphalin-limiting enzymes. These are substances within the body that help relieve pain.Taking DL-phenylalanine may improve lower-back pain, migraines, osteoarhtritis and rheumatoid arthritis. For pain control or as an antidepressant, doses of 1,000–4,000 mg are required, but must be reached slowly. If you experience a rapid heart beat, agitation, or hyperactivity, reduce or discontinue the DL-phenylalanine. Phenylalanine in any form can increase blood pressure. It can be stimulating and should not be taken past 3:00 in the afternoon.

L-phenylalanine is an important amino acid that is involved in the production of catecholamines which stimulate mental arousal, positive mood, and the fight-or-fight response to stress. It creates several neurotransmitters: adrenaline, epinephrine, norepinephrine, and dopamine which help to elevate mood and reduce depression, pain, fatigue, and lethargy. Phenylalanine also curbs appetite. It also forms PEA (phenylethylamine), another energizing brain chemical which is also found in chocolate.

It is generally recommended to take DLPA, one capsule half an hour before breakfast and if you have no headaches, then another capsule half an hour before lunch time for 3 days. Alternatively, L-tyrosine 500mg 3 times a day on an empty stomach (before 4pm).

So that is the gist of it from what I read and it sounds like a good option.

 

[chaps23]

So that is the gist of it from what I read and it sounds like a good option.

Cool, we can give it a go and post our results. The pain is becoming less and less each day now which is a good sign, it is at least manageable. I'm sure the inkephalin after a few days will really help out too.

I cant believe how quickly he has turned around since we changed up the diet, its been only a couple of weeks! We still have a rough road a head to a full recovery but things are looking great. Just in time for Armageddon!! :P

Energy levels are still a problem, hopefully the mood lift from the inkephalin might pcik him up a bit. I could imagine its only normal since his body would be spending enormous amounts of energy to heal itself.

Regards,

Brent.

 

[chaps23]

Hi Everyone!

*M* is back at his home now and doing very well, unfortunately this seems to have had the "Well if I'm getting better there is no need to continue" attitude which seems very unwise but I must respect his decision. I have offered to cook 3 to 4 dinner meals a week for him hopefully this will help keep him on the track but I am yet to find out if he will follow through with that also. I must greatly thank everyone here for all there help especially Psyche, you have been an amazingly helpful soul and I am indebted to you.

As for the Inkephalin, hard to tell if it worked or not as they have prescribed him another pain killer which has proven to be very effective in his pain management. This has basically been the issue as now he has no real drive to come off the pain meds at all.

warm wishes,

Brent.

 

[SeekinTruth]

It's important to have the right supplements when he's recovering AND adapting to his new diet (including Acetyl L Carnitine for the transition).

Hi Seekin Truth I will start reading more labels and see what I can find, could you please clarify what you meant by the including acetyl L carnitine? as in stop taking it or what sorry I just cant understand the phrasing.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, and for not replying earlier (been quite busy lately and not always catching up on every thread). I meant it helps to include Acetyl L Carnitine during the transition to Paleo/Ketogenic diet.

 

[Gaby]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, and for not replying earlier (been quite busy lately and not always catching up on every thread). I meant it helps to include Acetyl L Carnitine during the transition to Paleo/Ketogenic diet.

Glad to hear he is on his recovery way. I would like to second the Acetyl-L-Carnitine thing. It is an extremely useful supplement for heart health. With that supplement and the diet, it would be able to work at its max capacity.

 

[chaps23]

It's important to have the right supplements when he's recovering AND adapting to his new diet (including Acetyl L Carnitine for the transition).

Hi Seekin Truth I will start reading more labels and see what I can find, could you please clarify what you meant by the including acetyl L carnitine? as in stop taking it or what sorry I just cant understand the phrasing.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, and for not replying earlier (been quite busy lately and not always catching up on every thread). I meant it helps to include Acetyl L Carnitine during the transition to Paleo/Ketogenic diet.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, and for not replying earlier (been quite busy lately and not always catching up on every thread). I meant it helps to include Acetyl L Carnitine during the transition to Paleo/Ketogenic diet.

Glad to hear he is on his recovery way. I would like to second the Acetyl-L-Carnitine thing. It is an extremely useful supplement for heart health. With that supplement and the diet, it would be able to work at its max capacity.

Thats exactly what I thought. I found a few friends who tried the atkins diet finding themselfs weak and tired, I reccomended this sup to them (and to cut gluten & dairy) and the supp alone made a huge difference to them. I swear by it.