Hello I am David!

Marina9

The Living Force
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Well another music documentary here hehe, it gave me the chills after watching him play. For me it's a story of love and inspiration. The trailer is in english but some parts are in german :( couldn't find the trailer in english subtitles, but the documentary is available in Netflix.


Here is also his biography:

David Helfgott was born in Melbourne, Australia, in 1947. He showed extraordinary pianistic ability from an early age, winning the state finals of the ABC’s Instrumental & Vocal Competition six times.

At age 17, David began studying with Alice Carrard, a former student of Bartok and Istvan Thoman, himself a pupil of Liszt. Two years later, David went to London to study at the Royal College of Music with Cyril Smith, who described him as his most brilliant student in 25 years of teaching and likened him to Horowitz, both technically and temperamentally.

David won a number of awards at the College, including the Dannreuther Prize for Best Concerto Performance for his triumphant performance of Rachmaninov’s Third Piano Concerto. However, towards the end of his time in London, David faced increased emotional instability and mental excitability, compounded by the death in Perth of his mentor, writer Katherine Susannah Pritchard.

A period of frequent hospitalization followed during the 1970s, but by 1976 David had moved to a halfway house where he stayed for six years. The greatest crisis for David had been the loss of his inner music, but he remembers the day the music came back: “The fog lifted, I could hear again … I survived.”

David was brought back to the public’s attention by Dr Chris Reynolds, who owned Riccardo’s wine bar in Perth, where David performed on Saturday nights. It was there he meet his future wife, Gillian, who, with the support of promoter Mike Parry, helped David gradually resume his concert career with concert performances in Perth and a sell-out tour of Australia’s eastern states in 1986. This was followed by a trip to Europe, with recitals in Germany and Denmark.

David triumphantly returned to an active life of concert-giving and performance, and made a series of CDs, including the soundtrack of the Oscar-winning film Shine, which celebrates his remarkable and inspiring life. David’s recording of the Rachmaninov Third was the number one selling CD in Australia, the United States and the United Kingdom for many months. Both attained gold status.

In October 1996, David played four sold-out concerts at the Sydney Opera House, an unprecedented occurrence. A challenging world tour followed the next year, with packed recitals and performances throughout the US and the UK, concluding with David’s return to the Royal Albert Hall in London, were he played the Rachmaninov Third to a capacity crowd and received a thunderous standing ovation.

Over the next five years, David kept up his world touring, through Asia, Africa, Japan, New Zealand and Europe, while also maintaining a busy Australian schedule. David released four more CDs, including Brilliantissimo, Brave New World, and one featuring the Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No.1 and Rachmaninov’s Variations on a Theme of Paganini, two of David’s favourite works. However, the highlight release for this year was In Viva, a disc containing two movements of the Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 from David’s prize-winning performance in Perth when he was fourteen years of age.

In 2002, David was invited to represent Australia at the Beijing Music Festival and in Guangzhou, while 2003 saw a triumphant tour of Europe – particularly of Austria, where he completely won the hearts of the Viennese.

One of the major highlights of David’s career came in October 2004 when the Edith Cowan University in Western Australia awarded him an Honorary Doctorate of Music. His whole family was in attendance.

David conquered Europe yet again in 2005 and 2006. In Italy, he played the Rachmaninov Third in Montecatini Terme, where both Verdi and Puccini lived and where David and Gillian were awarded the Key of the City. Then it was on to sell-out performances of the concerto in Vienna and Zurich, plus many recitals in Spain, Norway and Denmark. On 26 November 2006, David was inducted into The Australian Walk of Fame.

In 2007 and 2008, David had extremely successful return tours of South Africa, New Zealand and Japan, and major European tours. But his recital in Sydney in November at the City Recital Hall gained the greatest accolades heard in the Hall in recent memory.

The year 2009 opened with David receiving a huge honour when a 2.7 metre sculpture by the internationally recognized sculpture, John Van Der Kolk, was dedicated to David and placed in the Bellingen Council Park in recognition of David’s courage, contribution to music and his work in the community.

In June, David performed in Israel for the first time in both Jerusalem and Tel Aviv as part of the Australian-Israel Cultural Exchange, and then toured Turkey and Europe, with a very successful recital in Vienna receiving one of the greatest ovations of David’s career. He will return there in October 2010, as well as play in Luzern and Denmark.

This extraordinary artist is continuing to receive the worldwide recognition that his remarkable technical and interpretative genius deserves. His continuing success comes as no surprise to David’s legion of devoted admirers everywhere. They have long regarded his recitals as transcending mere music-making. They are an affirmation of the tenacity of the human spirit and imagination.

And here is a lovely Chopin piece played by him, hope you guys enjoy his passion and love towards playing the piano, for me it's clear he lives the music, he doesn't just play:

 
Hi Marina9, you --unwittingly I presume-- opened up a can of worms here since David Helfgott is a rather controversial figure to put it mildly.

Fist off, a feature film was made about his life in 1996: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_(film) and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117631/

A review of that one here: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/shine-1996

To further clue you in about Helfgott's controversial status see this one: http://www.denisdutton.com/helfgott.htm

Thought you would like to know about this background, thus decided to share this.

Hope it doesn't spoil your appreciation too much. :-[


EDITED to note that the wikipedia link doesn't come through because of the last bracket, but the page exists nevertheless
 
Palinurus said:
Hi Marina9, you --unwittingly I presume-- opened up a can of worms here since David Helfgott is a rather controversial figure to put it mildly.

Fist off, a feature film was made about his life in 1996: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_(film) and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117631/

A review of that one here: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/shine-1996

To further clue you in about Helfgott's controversial status see this one: http://www.denisdutton.com/helfgott.htm

Thought you would like to know about this background, thus decided to share this.

Hope it doesn't spoil your appreciation too much. :-[


EDITED to note that the wikipedia link doesn't come through because of the last bracket, but the page exists nevertheless

Indeed Palinurus, this documentary was my first approach to his work, thanks very much for sharing this links with me :)
 
Marina9 said:
Palinurus said:
Hi Marina9, you --unwittingly I presume-- opened up a can of worms here since David Helfgott is a rather controversial figure to put it mildly.

Fist off, a feature film was made about his life in 1996: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_(film) and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117631/

A review of that one here: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/shine-1996

To further clue you in about Helfgott's controversial status see this one: http://www.denisdutton.com/helfgott.htm

Thought you would like to know about this background, thus decided to share this.

Hope it doesn't spoil your appreciation too much. :-[


EDITED to note that the wikipedia link doesn't come through because of the last bracket, but the page exists nevertheless

Indeed Palinurus, this documentary was my first approach to his work, thanks very much for sharing this links with me :)

One shouldn't judge David Helfgott from the link you posted above alone (Denis Dutton and written in 1997). That is not to say that is he is not a controversial figure. The problem arises partly from judging him with a normal classical concert pianist performance.

I was at one of his first "concerts" in Perth in 1988 and it was through my recommendations to family members, that he went to Denmark( as sited above) where he gave a performance. When I say performance, it was not in a concert hall, but in the local library and those who met up (perhaps 20) were rapped (the concert in Denmark). The concert I went to was performed in the cantine of a workers club, I think and the audience were not your usual concert audience. It was quite an experience and a positive one, I might add.

But he is very controversial and would in those days, sometimes, cry in the middle of it, start singing at the same time, hug everybody afterwards or before, sometimes stop playing and say that he wanted to make love (implying with his wife), or be overwhelmed and stop playing, so yes there was/is plenty of stuff to upset people with and cause consternation about, but the experience of him playing is unforgettable. His playing of the music is enrapturing and one could say that he is able to "pass the feel" of the music over.

I have nothing to add about the family dynamics as I haven't looked into it and because it was the music that interested me.

So if you have the chance, go and experience a concert with him yourself and report back on the thread ;)
 
Aeneas said:
Marina9 said:
Palinurus said:
Hi Marina9, you --unwittingly I presume-- opened up a can of worms here since David Helfgott is a rather controversial figure to put it mildly.

Fist off, a feature film was made about his life in 1996: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_(film) and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117631/

A review of that one here: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/shine-1996

To further clue you in about Helfgott's controversial status see this one: http://www.denisdutton.com/helfgott.htm

Thought you would like to know about this background, thus decided to share this.

Hope it doesn't spoil your appreciation too much. :-[


EDITED to note that the wikipedia link doesn't come through because of the last bracket, but the page exists nevertheless

Indeed Palinurus, this documentary was my first approach to his work, thanks very much for sharing this links with me :)

One shouldn't judge David Helfgott from the link you posted above alone (Denis Dutton and written in 1997). That is not to say that is he is not a controversial figure. The problem arises partly from judging him with a normal classical concert pianist performance.

I was at one of his first "concerts" in Perth in 1988 and it was through my recommendations to family members, that he went to Denmark( as sited above) where he gave a performance. When I say performance, it was not in a concert hall, but in the local library and those who met up (perhaps 20) were rapped (the concert in Denmark). The concert I went to was performed in the cantine of a workers club, I think and the audience were not your usual concert audience. It was quite an experience and a positive one, I might add.

But he is very controversial and would in those days, sometimes, cry in the middle of it, start singing at the same time, hug everybody afterwards or before, sometimes stop playing and say that he wanted to make love (implying with his wife), or be overwhelmed and stop playing, so yes there was/is plenty of stuff to upset people with and cause consternation about, but the experience of him playing is unforgettable. His playing of the music is enrapturing and one could say that he is able to "pass the feel" of the music over.

I have nothing to add about the family dynamics as I haven't looked into it and because it was the music that interested me.

So if you have the chance, go and experience a concert with him yourself and report back on the thread ;)

Thank you Aeneas for sharing ur experience, I bet it was much more different than just watching or reading about him.. What I got from watching this documentary was just that, what you mentioned even by just watching him play on a screen I could get the chills, and well for me it was inspiring. I guess it's a matter of not seeing it with black/white thinking...

Edited: spelling mistake.
 
I searched for some extra reviews to help establish an objective view on the 'phenomenon' Helfgott and give them here in chronological order:

September 1997: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/david-helfgott-brilliantissimo
November 2007: http://www.viennareview.net/on-the-town/on-music/helfgott-shines
September 2010: https://alexandraivanoff.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/review-david-helfgotts-gimmicks-why-do-they-matter/
November 2010: http://m.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10690689
Augustus 2013: http://www.limelightmagazine.com.au/Article/354932,rise-and-shine-with-david-helfgott.aspx
June 2015: http://www.smh.com.au/national/david-helfgott-australias-most-wellknown-classical-pianist-is-coming-to-melbourne-20150605-ghho4r.html
February 2016: http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/life-style/77346588/REVIEW-David-Helfgott-Live

The main line of argument is quite consistent in all of them, i.e. Helfgott can play the piano reasonably but not exceptionally well and tries to compensate by 'connecting' to his audiences via some sort of unconventional (some say freakish) rapport while overtly exhibiting his rather uninhibited personality traits. It seems more of a gimmick for which he cannot help himself doing it, and/or a clever marketing ploy than anything else but it shouldn't interfere with an appreciation of his music making IMO. Which it apparently does, especially in the case of his admirers who seem to adore him, sort of.

All in all, I'm acutely reminded of another comparable famous 'case' with a similar personality disorder: John Nash of 'Beautiful Mind' fame.
See: A beautiful Mind - biography from John Nash
 
Palinurus said:
I searched for some extra reviews to help establish an objective view on the 'phenomenon' Helfgott and give them here in chronological order:

September 1997: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/david-helfgott-brilliantissimo
November 2007: http://www.viennareview.net/on-the-town/on-music/helfgott-shines
September 2010: https://alexandraivanoff.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/review-david-helfgotts-gimmicks-why-do-they-matter/
November 2010: http://m.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10690689
Augustus 2013: http://www.limelightmagazine.com.au/Article/354932,rise-and-shine-with-david-helfgott.aspx
June 2015: http://www.smh.com.au/national/david-helfgott-australias-most-wellknown-classical-pianist-is-coming-to-melbourne-20150605-ghho4r.html
February 2016: http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/life-style/77346588/REVIEW-David-Helfgott-Live

The main line of argument is quite consistent in all of them, i.e. Helfgott can play the piano reasonably but not exceptionally well and tries to compensate by 'connecting' to his audiences via some sort of unconventional (some say freakish) rapport while overtly exhibiting his rather uninhibited personality traits. It seems more of a gimmick for which he cannot help himself doing it, and/or a clever marketing ploy than anything else but it shouldn't interfere with an appreciation of his music making IMO. Which it apparently does, especially in the case of his admirers who seem to adore him, sort of.

All in all, I'm acutely reminded of another comparable famous 'case' with a similar personality disorder: John Nash of 'Beautiful Mind' fame.
See: A beautiful Mind - biography from John Nash
First of all, I think it is hard to get an objective view about David Helfgott from reading reviews, precisely because he is a very controversial character and those who write reviews are establishment figures and look for technicalities in his music, while being put off by his excentricities. He had a break down and was locked up for 7+ years in a mental institution and underwent electro shocks and then thanks to some people who took him in, started to play again. Is he a good technical pianist, well probably not, but a good technician is not necessarily a good musician. Part of being a good musician is to being able to convey the music to the audience so that they are touched by the music.

As for him having a similar disorder to John Nash, then first of all, I am not sure we know what disorder David Helfgott has and secondly where John Nash didn't have an emotional life, then David has an overflow of emotional life. He just doesn't have a stop mechanisme and thus every emotion are expressed unfiltered regardless of place, time and circumstances. He is thus very childlike in demeanor.

Perhaps you have different insight that explains as to why you think they have "a similar personality disorder".

It will be interesting to see the documentary, so thanks for sharing that, Marina9.
 
Perhaps you have different insight that explains as to why you think they have "a similar personality disorder".

The August 2013 review states "...a lifelong struggle with a psychological condition known as schizoaffective disorder..." and John Nash suffered from "...paranoid schizophrenia...". I'm not an expert obviously, but to me this seems in the same ballpark as to the root cause, although symptoms differ as you already mentioned.

I've seen both Shine and Beautiful Mind and found similarities as well differences in both stories.

Part of being a good musician is to being able to convey the music to the audience so that they are touched by the music.

Yes, of course. Nevertheless, I get the distinct impression his audiences are more touched by his eccentricities as you called them and/or the conquering of his mental struggles etc. (pity ploy) than by his music making.
 
Palinurus said:
Perhaps you have different insight that explains as to why you think they have "a similar personality disorder".

The August 2013 review states "...a lifelong struggle with a psychological condition known as schizoaffective disorder..." and John Nash suffered from "...paranoid schizophrenia...". I'm not an expert obviously, but to me this seems in the same ballpark as to the root cause, although symptoms differ as you already mentioned.
Thanks for sharing, I wasn't aware of that. Not knowing much of either condition I found this:

From wiki: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoaffective_disorder
Schizoaffective disorder (SZA, SZD or SAD) is a mental disorder characterized by abnormal thought processes and deregulated emotions.[1][2] The diagnosis is made when the patient has features of both schizophrenia and a mood disorder—either bipolar disorder or depression—but does not strictly meet diagnostic criteria for either alone.[1][2] The bipolar type is distinguished by symptoms of mania, hypomania, or mixed episode; the depressive type by symptoms of depression only.[1][2] Common symptoms of the disorder include hallucinations, paranoid delusions, and disorganized speech and thinking.[3] The onset of symptoms usually begins in young adulthood, currently with an uncertain lifetime prevalence because the disorder was redefined, but DSM-IV prevalence estimates were less than 1 percent of the population, in the range of 0.5 to 0.8 percent.[4] Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the patient's reported experiences.


And
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia

Paranoid schizophrenia, schizophrenia, paranoid type is a sub-type of schizophrenia as defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, DSM-IV code 295.30.[1] It has been the most common type of schizophrenia.[2][3] Schizophrenia is defined as “a chronic mental disorder in which a person loses touch with reality (psychosis)."[4] Schizophrenia is divided into subtypes based on the “predominant symptomatology at the time of evaluation."[5] The clinical picture is dominated by relatively stable and often persecutory delusions that are usually accompanied by hallucinations, particularly of the auditory variety (hearing voices), and perceptual disturbances. These symptoms can have a huge effect on functioning and can negatively affect quality of life. Paranoid schizophrenia is a lifelong disease, but with proper treatment, a person with the illness can attain a higher quality of life.
 
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