Help for my wife

mocachapeau

Dagobah Resident
Hello everyone!

Some of you may know that, when I am not forgetting myself and letting my "complain about my wife" program take over (which is much less frequent but still present), I am trying to apply the knowledge I gain from The Work to help my wife find solutions to her health problems. She has gotten a lot better over the last few years but she still suffers from occasional migraines and strange attacks of stomach pains. Starting around October of last year these two things started to become much less frequent and less severe until they were almost gone. But in the last three or four months they began to pick up again.

A couple of months ago we received a bit of news that worried my wife quite a bit. At that point we hopped in the car and drove for about 6 minutes to get home. By the time we got to the kitchen she was having a full blown stomach attack. When it had subsided I pointed out to her that this attack seemed to be set off by stress, and nothing else (nothing she had eaten, which is what she usually blames it on). I suggested that it might be beneficial to take some time to identify the different sources of stress in her life so we could work on eliminating them. Well, it didn't take her long to realise that the greatest source of stress for her is a certain colleague at work.

My wife is one of the phone operators at the reception desk at the hospital where we work. She works from 8 to 4 in rotation with several other women, one of which is constantly tormenting her. There are so many things I could tell you about this woman but I will try to keep it brief. The lady that held my wife's position before her went into retirement a year and a half early entirely because of the abuse that this same woman was subjecting her to. At least once, the team leader came into the office to find her crying because of this woman's torment. It was apparent to everyone in the department that she wanted this lady's job because it had better hours than hers. And then my wife got this lady's job.

She complains about everything my wife does that she doesn't like, including her going to the bathroom when it isn't break time and eating a rice cake while she's working. But everything she complains about, my wife has caught her doing at different times. She actually makes a list of every little mistake my wife makes during the day (the common slips that they all make, all the time) and presents it to the team leader the following day. This woman's shift is from 10:30 to 6:30, but she shows up every single day at 7:45 and sits in the office until my wife arrives, for the sole purpose of noting if my wife is late for work. I think those are enough examples to give you an idea of the kind of atmosphere in which my wife works every day, but there are many more. My wife is unable to relax, at all, while she works.

Just to give you an idea of what this woman is like, aside from the abuse directed at my wife, let me tell you this. People are not allowed to use cell phones in the hospital. When she first started working there, she was severely reprimanded because when she saw someone walk by with a cell phone in hand she stood up and started pounding her fists on the glass of the booth screaming, "YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE CELL PHONES HERE!!". She spends most of her day practically yelling at people on the phone, and I was present once when she just hung up on someone. Furthermore, she has had several official complaints lodged against her by different employees, from various departments where she has worked over the years. Well now she has another one, because after the conversation my wife and I had about the stress in her life, my wife filed an official complaint.

Not long after that, my wife went in to see her doctor for a regular checkup. After describing all this, the doctor pulled her off work immediately due to harassment. So now she's at home for a couple of months waiting to see what will become of her complaint.

The thing is, the way my wife feels is that she just wants to get this woman out of her life, so she is willing to apply for a position that has opened up in another department. She doesn't want to wait and see how the administration will treat the situation because she doesn't know if she will be sent back to work with this woman before it has been dealt with, and she doesn't feel capable of spending even another second in the same room with this nutcase. Although I understand how she feels, and agree with her 100%, if she does this, the nutcase will have won. She will have chased another person from the department and won another chance to grab the job she so covets.

My wife's doctor said it right when she said that it shouldn't be my wife that leaves the job she loves so much, because she's the victim! It should be the other one that should be forced to leave the department, preferably forced to leave the hospital entirely. But in a government-run, unionized shop, it's very hard to have someone removed like that.

My feeling is that my wife should refuse to give up her post AND refuse to work another second in the same department with this witch. She should do whatever is necessary to have her pushed out. But at the same time I wonder if maybe my wife isn't the right person to fight this battle because it could be too hard on her. I don't want her suffer anymore.

Does anyone have any opinions on what my wife should do? Or better yet, what I might encourage her to do?

The good thing that came from this was the identification of stress as being at least one major cause of the physical health problems my wife has been displaying. But what a way to get there!
 
Tell her to read "Nasty Women" and "Nasty People". What about her diet?
 
Laura said:
Tell her to read "Nasty Women" and "Nasty People". What about her diet?

My wife is French, and she really doesn't like to read. But I could get those books, read them myself, and share the info with her.

I've been able to change her diet a little by fixing only paleo suppers, and sometimes bacon and egg breakfasts, but the other meals she pretty much does what she wants. But she has recently expressed a desire to do more in that regard, and due to a recent change in financial situation, some more changes may become possible for all of us.

One thing that I have been trying to discourage her from is her immediate gobbling of bread every time she has one of these stomach attacks. Bread has always been the one thing that has soothed her in these moments, and she attributes it to the possible soaking up of acid in her stomach. But I don't think I need to explain to YOU why it might be a kind of vicious circle she is creating. I have ordered "Life Without Bread" and the "Science of Low Carb Diet" with the hopes of finding some suggestions on how to replace bread, and other things.

Do you think I'm looking in the right direction?

She's doing a lot better since she's been off work, but I'm really worried about her. There's no telling how this is going to turn out.
 
This is just my own take on it, mocachapeau.

I would concentrate on doing everything possible (including the books Laura has recommended) to get my partner out of such a stressful situation. Not push her back into it so that she can fight this other person. Geesh! She has endured enough I would think.

You seem to be more bent on revenge against this other woman instead of the well-being of your wife, or so it seems to me.

Yes, this other woman needs to be gotten rid of, but I don't think it is up to your wife to do it. If she can get into a better environment, than so be it. Meanwhile, she can read Nasty Women and Nasty People so that she is better prepared to deal with others like this, as I'm sure she will run into them since so many people are narcissistically wounded, although maybe not as sever as the one she has had to endure at this time.
 
mocachapeau said:
Laura said:
Tell her to read "Nasty Women" and "Nasty People". What about her diet?

My wife is French, and she really doesn't like to read. But I could get those books, read them myself, and share the info with her.

What's more, you could translate them and be of service to many other people in addition to your wife.
 
Laura said:
mocachapeau said:
Laura said:
Tell her to read "Nasty Women" and "Nasty People". What about her diet?

My wife is French, and she really doesn't like to read. But I could get those books, read them myself, and share the info with her.

What's more, you could translate them and be of service to many other people in addition to your wife.

What a good idea to translate them in French. And if you decide to do so, don't hesitate to join the transaltion's group. We have a team of french members who will be able to help you in the proofreading of the books. ;)
 
Nienna Eluch said:
I would concentrate on doing everything possible (including the books Laura has recommended) to get my partner out of such a stressful situation. Not push her back into it so that she can fight this other person. Geesh! She has endured enough I would think.

You seem to be more bent on revenge against this other woman instead of the well-being of your wife, or so it seems to me.

I don't see it as revenge, really. She has treated several people this way over the years - forcing one into early retirement - so I feel she should be dealt with in an appropriate manner. It would help my wife, and countless others. But I was trying to express the same sentiment as yourself when I wrote:

mocachapeau said:
But at the same time I wonder if maybe my wife isn't the right person to fight this battle because it could be too hard on her. I don't want her suffer anymore.

Which is why I told her that if she just wants to get out of the department, she should just do it. And that I support her in any decision she makes.

I admit that I'd like to see my wife keep the job she loves so much, though. This job was "made for her". She loves it, and is very good at it because she is so good with people. Why should she be the one to loose her job? She's the innocent party.

Gandalf said:
What a good idea to translate them in French. And if you decide to do so, don't hesitate to join the transaltion's group. We have a team of french members who will be able to help you in the proofreading of the books. ;)

I actually joined the translation group earlier this year. I just found it very difficult to find the time to do that work between all my responsibilities at home. But translating a book might be something to consider. I wouldn't feel like I'm delaying its arrival on the site like I did when I took on an article.

I'm going to give it some serious thought. But for now, I'm going to go FIND these books.

Thanks for the advice, everyone.
 
mocachapeau said:
Not long after that, my wife went in to see her doctor for a regular checkup. After describing all this, the doctor pulled her off work immediately due to harassment. So now she's at home for a couple of months waiting to see what will become of her complaint.

The thing is, the way my wife feels is that she just wants to get this woman out of her life, so she is willing to apply for a position that has opened up in another department. She doesn't want to wait and see how the administration will treat the situation because she doesn't know if she will be sent back to work with this woman before it has been dealt with, and she doesn't feel capable of spending even another second in the same room with this nutcase. Although I understand how she feels, and agree with her 100%, if she does this, the nutcase will have won. She will have chased another person from the department and won another chance to grab the job she so covets.

It doesn't sound like you 'agree with her 100%' and I think your wife has good instincts. Why leave the situation up to the administration to solve (when it has not yet solved it despite numerous complaints) when she can apply to another department and take the solution into her own hands.

Perhaps it's time to actually listen to your wife and support her decision instead of second-guessing her because you want this other woman to 'pay'?

m said:
My wife's doctor said it right when she said that it shouldn't be my wife that leaves the job she loves so much, because she's the victim!

That's the world we live in. The most important thing is to get away from the nutcase and your wife has the right idea. This world favors nutcases, so knowledge protects.


m said:
It should be the other one that should be forced to leave the department, preferably forced to leave the hospital entirely. But in a government-run, unionized shop, it's very hard to have someone removed like that.

My feeling is that my wife should refuse to give up her post AND refuse to work another second in the same department with this witch. She should do whatever is necessary to have her pushed out. But at the same time I wonder if maybe my wife isn't the right person to fight this battle because it could be too hard on her. I don't want her suffer anymore.

Does anyone have any opinions on what my wife should do? Or better yet, what I might encourage her to do?

The good thing that came from this was the identification of stress as being at least one major cause of the physical health problems my wife has been displaying. But what a way to get there!

I think that you need to stop projecting your own personal wishes (and battles) onto your wife and allow her to get herself into a safer position by applying in the other department. Just my take.
 
I think I need to ask this question because I'm a little confused.

In this thread I have expressed my feelings on how I would prefer this situation to play out - that my wife get to keep the job she loves and the harasser be the one to be dealt with appropriately. And my wife agrees with me that she would prefer that, too. If it were not for this woman, she would never want to leave her job. But I also understand what you are saying, Anart, when you write:

anart said:
That's the world we live in. The most important thing is to get away from the nutcase and your wife has the right idea. This world favors nutcases, so knowledge protects.

That is why, my feelings aside, I have been giving my wife the support I think she needs.

mocachapeau said:
But at the same time I wonder if maybe my wife isn't the right person to fight this battle because it could be too hard on her. I don't want her suffer anymore.

mocachapeau said:
Which is why I told her that if she just wants to get out of the department, she should just do it. And that I support her in any decision she makes.

When I say I agree with her 100%, I mean I agree that what she wants to do is the best thing for her. I might do it differently if it were ME, but I don't feel I am projecting my own personal wishes onto my wife. I'm not telling her she should do as I would, but we have talked about all the options and I agree with her choice. The doctor expressed the same feeling as my own to my wife, and together we discussed all of it. I have been there for her through this whole thing, been supportive, sympathetic and a good listener. If she is happy to end this ordeal by giving up her job, then so be it. It is her health and happiness that come first, and I support her decision without any misgivings.

That is truly how I feel and how I have treated the situation. But a couple of responses here give me the impression that there is still something I am doing wrong. Could someone point out, specifically, what that is?

I get the impression that my feelings about the situation are being considered, which I understand and appreciate, but that the way I have dealt with it doesn't seem to have any importance.
 
She loves it, and is very good at it because she is so good with people. Why should she be the one to loose her job?

If it comes to that then perhaps it is because her health is more important? Being in a relationship with her you are also affected. In fact, you are internally considering and thus, identifying with the tyrant at her work in a sense. You could increase your consciousness here by separating from your idea of this tyrant so you can see her for who she is - someone who is draining life force from your wife.

All petty tyrants have their due coming eventually, but if your wife wants to be instrumental in balancing that particular account, it will have to be her sole, un-influenced decision, otherwise her being won't get the benefit from that sort of work, thus the reading recommendation, OSIT.

Just my take so far.
 
Bud said:
She loves it, and is very good at it because she is so good with people. Why should she be the one to loose her job?

If it comes to that then perhaps it is because her health is more important? Being in a relationship with her you are also affected. In fact, you are internally considering and thus, identifying with the tyrant at her work in a sense. You could increase your consciousness here by separating from your idea of this tyrant so you can see her for who she is - someone who is draining life force from your wife.

All petty tyrants have their due coming eventually, but if your wife wants to be instrumental in balancing that particular account, it will have to be her sole, un-influenced decision, otherwise her being won't get the benefit from that sort of work, thus the reading recommendation, OSIT.

Just my take so far.

Thank you, Bud. That really does clarify things, and I understand the point now. Any desire I may have for the outcome of the situation concerning anything other than my wife's health and well-being is simply that - a desire - which stems directly from my ego. Whatever happens, other than the saving of my wife from a nasty situation, is irrelevant. And my expressing anything at all about that desire to my wife is, as Anart said, pushing it onto her.

I think you have all helped me to understand something on a deeper level than I did before - something that my brain has been successfully keeping me from grasping. And I know it will help me in every other aspect of my life. Finally, I think I get it!!

Thank you.
 
Bud said:
mocachapeau said:
She loves it, and is very good at it because she is so good with people. Why should she be the one to loose her job?

If it comes to that then perhaps it is because her health is more important? Being in a relationship with her you are also affected. In fact, you are internally considering and thus, identifying with the tyrant at her work in a sense. You could increase your consciousness here by separating from your idea of this tyrant so you can see her for who she is - someone who is draining life force from your wife.

All petty tyrants have their due coming eventually, but if your wife wants to be instrumental in balancing that particular account, it will have to be her sole, un-influenced decision, otherwise her being won't get the benefit from that sort of work, thus the reading recommendation, OSIT.

Just my take so far.
macachapeau,

I was in an ugly situation with a job some years ago and the stress was causing me to have migraines as well. I tried to "stick it out" because I needed to feel that I was able to stand up to them. Unfortunately the migraines increased in frequency and duration and finally, something in me just said enough. Had to make a tough decision to just leave and get myself to an environment where I could recuperate.

From that experience, I think once you realize the situation is injurious to health and well-being its best to act in favor of your own destiny. Let someone else deal with the psychopaths! Maybe that woman will meet her match someday, but in the meantime your wife could be on the road to recovery!!

FWIW - my migraines decreased dramatically once I left that situation, however - they never completely went away until I quit eating gluten and dairy. I know it is really hard - believe me...but migraines are so debilitating, the suffering hardly seems worth a crust of bread! I realize that is up to her to decide - about the job and the diet. I think migraines are a signal from the Universe - that a dramatic change is due. :/

Aleana
 
mocachapeau said:
By the time we got to the kitchen she was having a full blown stomach attack. When it had subsided I pointed out to her that this attack seemed to be set off by stress, and nothing else (nothing she had eaten, which is what she usually blames it on).

This may be another instance in which your wife's instincts are correct. Diet can certainly have a huge role in how our body reacts to stress.

mocachapeau said:
Laura said:
What about her diet?

I've been able to change her diet a little by fixing only paleo suppers, and sometimes bacon and egg breakfasts, but the other meals she pretty much does what she wants. But she has recently expressed a desire to do more in that regard, and due to a recent change in financial situation, some more changes may become possible for all of us.

This part is a little unclear for me. Specifically, what do her 'other meals' consist of? In which regard does she desire to 'do more' and why?

One thing that I have been trying to discourage her from is her immediate gobbling of bread every time she has one of these stomach attacks.

Bread has always been the one thing that has soothed her in these moments, and she attributes it to the possible soaking up of acid in her stomach. But I don't think I need to explain to YOU why it might be a kind of vicious circle she is creating. I have ordered "Life Without Bread" and the "Science of Low Carb Diet" with the hopes of finding some suggestions on how to replace bread, and other things.

Do you think I'm looking in the right direction?

I think this is certainly a better approach than suggesting it has nothing at all to do with what she has been eating. :)

In any event, I do hope that things improve for your wife, and soon!
 
My thoughts go out to your wife. Seems that she is very sensative like me in the wau of allowing others negativity affect her? I have been able to "wipe things off" alot better over the past few years yet it is still hard to not give into the real me and become overwhelmed with stress. Perhapps keeping her mind off of as much negativity as possible will help? :P
 
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