Help! I'm disappearing!

[Solie123]

Hello Solie123, Since I started a very strict clean sourced keto diet, I too lost a lot of weight I was down in the 70's and like you was concerned about loosing more and when I'd start to level out or gain as well.

Give the threads Renaissance has shared a read though as they are helpful to ease the mind, and offer a wealth of information, advice & suggestions!

I've always been on the thin side, gaining weight and keeping it on has always been a really difficult challenge, having never weighted enough to even donate blood in my entire life. After being on a strict clean sourced keto diet, It took a while but I am holding at about 90lbs and I'm 5 foot 2. I know its still not enough to donate but its enough for me.

For me, I have found that when I consumed a lot of fat the more I'd loose and even now If I intake more than what I normally usually consume I loose weight, again. So I watch my fat, (butter, lard, ghee and coconut oil) & my protein intake, (mainly eating bacon, sausage patties & some turkey) adding in bone broth or a fat bomb, going for a bit of one of the lowest carb veggies now and again, a nut on rare occasion and I am holding at the 90lbs. I still stay away from consuming egg whites as even the smell, not to mention the taste of them makes me nauseous, yolks I love and have daily.

Having been on a clean sourced keto diet for a while now It just feels no longer an important thing to concern my energy and time on caring what anyone else thinks or how others feel about my body, nor do I even look to critically judge my appearance as most tend to do, due to how I am feeling emotionally and mentally, clearer & balanced, not to mention I am physically more productive and my hair has, after a few months of being on it, started to really grow. I do some light exercises and stretching and a few other things like self acupressure, journal writing and E.E. daily.

Thank you Nina! This post is very inspiring to me! I don't mind at all being thin, I was just worried because a lot of people have been saying I'm starting to get so thin I look sick! :( and sure, maybe 10 pounds doesn't sounds like a lot to most people but as you might know, losing even a measly pound as an already thin person is extremely noticeable.

I appreciate that you share you shared your journey with me, I can relate to just about everything you said, and journaling is honestly a gift from the heavens! :D

So let's keep it up girl! <3

 

[Eboard10]

Another thing I should point out is I'm not eating as much as before. I feel satisfied really quick on this diet. I no longer feel the need to just stuff my face endlessly, but that's not to say I don't eat! I eat my three meals a day, and every now and again I munch on some coconut flacks, nuts or whatever I can find that's still fits within the diet.

It's also not that I'm not enjoying what I'm eating, cause luckily I get to eat my all time favorite foods (bacon, butter, and the fattiest of meats).

I have cut out a lot of protein though, ive been focussing more on my fat intake than anything else. I suppose I should increase my protein intake by a bit. I don't eat any carbs at all throught the day except maybe a spoonful of sweet potatoe during diner (swimming in butter).

Just be sure to eat enough fat to maintain a good calorie intake.

The most common mistake that people do when transitioning to a Ketogenic diet is that they cut out all carbs and then go on reducing proteins without increasing fats to make up for the loss in calories. To give you an example, when I first went Keto, I was eating around 100-150g of fat and was losing weight rapidly, to the point where I became very skinny. I had to increase my fat intake to 200-250g before my weight stabilised.

edit: typo

 

[Solie123]

How much of fat you intake in your diet Solie123? :)

Butter here is actually a thousand times cheaper than bacon! In the mornings I have two to three slices of thick cut bacon with an egg scrabbled with 1tbsp of butter, and a glass of coconut milk. For lunch I usually do a nice broth with A LOT of fat and a few slices of bacon. Throughout the day I'll snack on some toasted coconut flakes (yum!!!!) and at night I'll have a nice meat stew with a little something on the side (like sweet potato or a low carb veggie) and after that I might have some coconut milk yogurt with some strawberries as a desert. Then! Late at night I'll finish off with a spoonful of coconut oil.

I mean I pack fat is everything I can think of, so I honestly don't believe that I should up my fat intake xD cause the next thing up would literally be just eating lard straight out of the pan xD

 

[Solie123]

Just be sure to eat enough fat to maintain a good calorie intake.

The most common mistake that people do when transitioning to a Ketogenic diet is that they cut out all carbs and then go on reducing proteins without increasing fats to make up for the loss in calories. To give you an example, when I first when Keto, I was eating around 100-150g of fat and was losing weight rapidly, to the point where I became very skinny. I had to increase my fat intake to 200-250g before my weight stabilised.

I guess I'm just gonna have to play around a little with the diet until I get to a point that it works for me.

All this insight is extremely helpful, giving me a lot of ideas of what I should try. I'll keep you guys posted throughout! <3

 

[Argo]

How much of fat you intake in your diet Solie123? :)

Butter here is actually a thousand times cheaper than bacon! In the mornings I have two to three slices of thick cut bacon with an egg scrabbled with 1tbsp of butter, and a glass of coconut milk. For lunch I usually do a nice broth with A LOT of fat and a few slices of bacon. Throughout the day I'll snack on some toasted coconut flakes (yum!!!!) and at night I'll have a nice meat stew with a little something on the side (like sweet potato or a low carb veggie) and after that I might have some coconut milk yogurt with some strawberries as a desert. Then! Late at night I'll finish off with a spoonful of coconut oil.

I mean I pack fat is everything I can think of, so I honestly don't believe that I should up my fat intake xD cause the next thing up would literally be just eating lard straight out of the pan xD

:D :D
That's what I'm doing! :)
But I guess that every human being is different. I'm glad that the butter is cheaper where you live.
Here where I live, for 250gr of butter I can buy 1kg of bacon. :)

 

[seek10]

when I started removing gluten , I lost 25 pounds over 2 or 3 years and then weight stabilized there for 3 or 4 years. When I started increasing fat intake using custards/Fat Bombs, I quickly put up 8 lb's in 6 months and stayed there for 6 months. Recently I realized that I put-up another 4 pounds mainly due to increase in more fat intake through custard ( well, it is fat-shake rather than custard ;) ). That is with 2 meals a day.

 

[sairie]

Thank you Nina! This post is very inspiring to me! I don't mind at all being thin, I was just worried because a lot of people have been saying I'm starting to get so thin I look sick! :( and sure, maybe 10 pounds doesn't sounds like a lot to most people but as you might know, losing even a measly pound as an already thin person is extremely noticeable.

I appreciate that you share you shared your journey with me, I can relate to just about everything you said, and journaling is honestly a gift from the heavens! :D

So let's keep it up girl! <3

Solie123, Happy to hear we have journaling in common! Yes, it was at the time I thought & felt (and was characterized) as looking appallingly thin, even anorexic...and I did get comments, or sometimes, no comments but looks of surprise.

I went from being just about a 100lbs down to 70lbs in several weeks after going over into a strictly clean-sourced ketogenic diet. Nothing fit, and I was already wearing size 16 little girls clothing...even my undergarments no longer stayed up/on. An investment into smaller undergarments was undertaken! I do not mind at all wearing loose pants or tops, as they make layering possible and fun.

I'll say this, too: it does makes shopping for clothing less costly, since the tinier clothes, for the most part, are less expensive. Likewise, it's a bit of a laugh trying to sort though all the glitter, cute animals, and flowers popping up all over everything and anything in the children's department. And I'm not one who generally likes to shop for clothes, especially for myself!

Because I lost so much, I even once (because once is enough!), during a walk to a funeral, wearing a pair of dress shoes (by this time, now over-sized), tripped on an uneven sidewalk area - what a laugh that was! But the blisters also received were not as much of a laughing matter...

Yeah, I'd say finding the right ratio that works for one's body type is a key ingredient, not just being able to find clean sourced fatty, Keto friendly food (and at a price one can afford).

Patience, perseverance, and lots of reading/researching...but it can be fun and, even as it was in my case, flavored by a dash of laughable lessons here and there!

This thread also has some valuable information in it and well worth reading through.

I have to give you points for being able to stomach sweet potatoes, as I dislike the taste of them, although I usually do enjoy celery, carrots, and mushrooms. And I also extend kudos to all those who can and do eat organ meats. Unfortunately, I cannot even conceive of eating them. We do, however, buy a ground turkey pet food containing bone and organs for our two cats, Poppy and Mama. They love the organ meat as a part of their species-appropriate, balanced fresh food diet.

I am looking forward to hearing how things progress for you, so please keep us all posted !

 

[Fluffy]

How much of fat you intake in your diet Solie123? :)

Butter here is actually a thousand times cheaper than bacon! In the mornings I have two to three slices of thick cut bacon with an egg scrabbled with 1tbsp of butter, and a glass of coconut milk. For lunch I usually do a nice broth with A LOT of fat and a few slices of bacon. Throughout the day I'll snack on some toasted coconut flakes (yum!!!!) and at night I'll have a nice meat stew with a little something on the side (like sweet potato or a low carb veggie) and after that I might have some coconut milk yogurt with some strawberries as a desert. Then! Late at night I'll finish off with a spoonful of coconut oil.

I mean I pack fat is everything I can think of, so I honestly don't believe that I should up my fat intake xD cause the next thing up would literally be just eating lard straight out of the pan xD

It certainly doesn't look like you are under eating, Have you had any blood work done to make sure you're not lacking anything?

I know from personal experience that upping the fat works to get me fat but we are all different. It might be worth a go.

Do you do any resistance training? May be if you took up a bit more of that you could eat a bit more protein without having to worry about going out of keto?

I'm an inch taller than you but around 40 pounds heavier, I have a lot of muscle and when I don't eat enough protein I feel really weak after a few days. Then I bounce back once I get some protein in. Again we aren't all the same, just sharing what I have going on :D

I've been known to eat butter off the block- a lot :)

 

[Yas]

Hi Solie123

I had the exact same problem as you. A few months after I started the Keto Diet I became so skinny that everyone around me expressed concern about me being sick... Some people even thought I wasn't eating (that I had a food disorder or something). But, I was feeling great, with lots of energy and free of the usual health problems I had before. After a year or so in the diet, I started gaining weigh again, and now I don't look extremely skinny at all, just normal :D.

Some kind of physical exercises can help build up muscle mass and many people reported gaining weigh after doing that, but don't go through the regular aerobic ones, it's better to do anaerobic exercises that focus on building up muscle mass. You can check out these threads:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26279.msg314422.html#msg314422

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,28685.msg359798.html#msg359798

Eating Fat Bomb has also proven to be useful for the skinny ones: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35043.msg499015.html#msg499015

I hope you can gain some weight soon! But, if it doesn't happen too fast, don't worry too much, for what you are saying, you're eating all the right things you're body needs! :)

 

[Goemon_]

For those who can't find good quality bacon there is a simple solution :

Make your own ! It's simple.

Buy a peace of pork belly put it in the middle of a tray full of sea salt. Let it there for 3 weeks.
Then put it out, remove as much salt as possible, put some black pepper all around it and hang it up in a dry place. In my place I can enjoy it after a month or two depending on the weather.

 

[casper]

For those who can't find good quality bacon there is a simple solution :

Make your own ! It's simple.

Buy a peace of pork belly put it in the middle of a tray full of sea salt. Let it there for 3 weeks.
Then put it out, remove as much salt as possible, put some black pepper all around it and hang it up in a dry place. In my place I can enjoy it after a month or two depending on the weather.

Or come to Croatia and try the best ham (dried pork) in the world, the region of Dalmatia, and in comparison with other delicacies not expensive

 

[Solie123]

Thank you guys, the information has been extremely helpful - and for once, I'm relieved I'm not alone in this :D
For now, I'm going to try to push my calorie intake a little more, and do some resistance exercises as well and see how that goes.
This journey to optimal health has been extremely incredible and very rewarding.

 

[cazamara]

Thank you Nina! This post is very inspiring to me! I don't mind at all being thin, I was just worried because a lot of people have been saying I'm starting to get so thin I look sick! :( and sure, maybe 10 pounds doesn't sounds like a lot to most people but as you might know, losing even a measly pound as an already thin person is extremely noticeable.

I appreciate that you share you shared your journey with me, I can relate to just about everything you said, and journaling is honestly a gift from the heavens! :D

So let's keep it up girl! <3

Solie123, Happy to hear we have journaling in common! Yes, it was at the time I thought & felt (and was characterized) as looking appallingly thin, even anorexic...and I did get comments, or sometimes, no comments but looks of surprise.

I went from being just about a 100lbs down to 70lbs in several weeks after going over into a strictly clean-sourced ketogenic diet. Nothing fit, and I was already wearing size 16 little girls clothing...even my undergarments no longer stayed up/on. An investment into smaller undergarments was undertaken! I do not mind at all wearing loose pants or tops, as they make layering possible and fun.

I'll say this, too: it does makes shopping for clothing less costly, since the tinier clothes, for the most part, are less expensive. Likewise, it's a bit of a laugh trying to sort though all the glitter, cute animals, and flowers popping up all over everything and anything in the children's department. And I'm not one who generally likes to shop for clothes, especially for myself!

Because I lost so much, I even once (because once is enough!), during a walk to a funeral, wearing a pair of dress shoes (by this time, now over-sized), tripped on an uneven sidewalk area - what a laugh that was! But the blisters also received were not as much of a laughing matter...

Yeah, I'd say finding the right ratio that works for one's body type is a key ingredient, not just being able to find clean sourced fatty, Keto friendly food (and at a price one can afford).

Patience, perseverance, and lots of reading/researching...but it can be fun and, even as it was in my case, flavored by a dash of laughable lessons here and there!

This thread also has some valuable information in it and well worth reading through.

I have to give you points for being able to stomach sweet potatoes, as I dislike the taste of them, although I usually do enjoy celery, carrots, and mushrooms. And I also extend kudos to all those who can and do eat organ meats. Unfortunately, I cannot even conceive of eating them. We do, however, buy a ground turkey pet food containing bone and organs for our two cats, Poppy and Mama. They love the organ meat as a part of their species-appropriate, balanced fresh food diet.

I am looking forward to hearing how things progress for you, so please keep us all posted !

From what I've experienced from my "diet journey", I think the same.
With my regular diet my weight was fluctuating between 64-67kg. Ever since I took away gluten and dairy I started rapidly loosing my weight, especially when I gradually eliminated most of the starchy vegetables. What I've noticed so far is that it's not just matter of increasing any healthy fat intake but it also depends on the type of the fat that individual's body digests the best, and therefore absorbed the most out of it. As far as the fat bomb is concerned - I can understand the reason why is working so well for most people when the weight increase is concerned. When I was a kid my mother used to beat the egg yolks with a spoon of my grandfather's honey in the morning and she would give us kids a few spoons of that "super-food". It was considered very nutritious food, good for the brain, for extra energy in wintertime, and also excellent for the kids who needed to gain some weight. My grandfather was honeybee breeder, but they never consumed the honey as a food, it was rather considered to be the medicine. He would give his honey to all his family members, to his neighbors when they needed for a sick person, and the rest he would barter with the food he was not able to produce on his own. We should probably know, by now, more than they knew back then

 

[Solie123]

At this point, I honestly believe now that it's more about doing the reasearch and finding out the reason behind the "symptom." In my case the symptom is losing weight, but I have come to a hypothesis now (thanks to the information avalible here), that I'm not eating enough. My hunger now isn't the same hunger I felt before, which was a more of a feeling that if I did not eat, I was just not gonna make it (sort of thing). Now my hunger doesn't beg of me to eat in this persistent way - and I only knew hunger as being just that.

So I've actually come to the conclusion that I need to reconnect with my body, and learn about these new sensations that I'm not familiar with.

When you spend all you're life 'sick,' you believing sick is normal.

Cause although I ate several times I day, I never eat much of what I was having. It was more like, "oh it's lunch time, I guess I should eat." Than have two bites and say, "you know what, I'm really not hungry," and be done. And now I'm realizing that my calorie intake was very low!

It's just odd, when you're use to hunger feeling differnt - urgent, to now it being something completely differnce.

 

[cazamara]

At this point, I honestly believe now that it's more about doing the reasearch and finding out the reason behind the "symptom." In my case the symptom is losing weight, but I have come to a hypothesis now (thanks to the information avalible here), that I'm not eating enough. My hunger now isn't the same hunger I felt before, which was a more of a feeling that if I did not eat, I was just not gonna make it (sort of thing). Now my hunger doesn't beg of me to eat in this persistent way - and I only knew hunger as being just that.

So I've actually come to the conclusion that I need to reconnect with my body, and learn about these new sensations that I'm not familiar with.

When you spend all you're life 'sick,' you believing sick is normal.

Cause although I ate several times I day, I never eat much of what I was having. It was more like, "oh it's lunch time, I guess I should eat." Than have two bites and say, "you know what, I'm really not hungry," and be done. And now I'm realizing that my calorie intake was very low!

It's just odd, when you're use to hunger feeling differnt - urgent, to now it being something completely differnce.

"It's more about doing the research and finding out the reason behind the "symptom.""

My message above was cut off and it didn't come through entirely. It's what I think as well, reading and researching can help finding our own way. Apart from everything else, two threads on this forum: Life Without Bread & Ketogenic Diet - Path to Transformation?; were the most helpful to me. Along with increased fat intake (the one that's digestible by the body) some resistance training and the cold showers really help. I also found out that the fat bomb (fat & egg yolks) is The One for me really helping me gaining the weight.

"And now I'm realizing that my calorie intake was very low!"

It takes some time to go through all the material, but in the meantime, I think, it's good to start with the calculation of the daily calories needed for the body. Based on our ideal weight we can calculate our ideal protein/fat intake. It is said that 75-85% of our daily calories, and never eating more than 20-25g of net carbs daily (i.e. not counting fibers) would be the ideal.

Since I also want to gain some weight (I went from 65kg down to 55kg), I calculated for myself 0.8g protein per 1kg of my ideal weight and fat/protein ratio 1:4, which is measured in calories, not grams. Fat is 9 calories per gram, and protein is 4 calories per gram.
XY ideal weight in kg X 0.8g protein = XYg/day protein X 4 calories = XYg protein calories per day X 4 ( fat/protein ratio) = XYg fat calories per day / 9 calories per 1 g fat = XYg/day fat

Once you do the calculation for your body, from what I've experienced, the good start is to concentrate on the fat intake and pay attention to the carbs intake. Have 3 meals/day, first meal after 9am and the last meal not later then 6pm (having always in mind proper fat/protein ratio for each meal). It is said that it's very beneficial for the body having this "intermittent fasting" (6pm-9am) when we should allow our body to get some rest