help with occult

For whatever "magic" we need to ask the permission.

Dealing with 'whatever magic' is going into the jungle, where most people won't fare well - to say the least. There are plenty of aspects of the spiritual that we just don't have what it takes to go up against. Even if you get 'permission', what in the world makes you think you are capable of dealing with what you are connecting with?
 
Hello aelyrsenn. Welcome! You started an interesting discussion, that has attracted some interest into your dilemma, and the response has been one that has offered you good advice. I will humbly offer an insight and a redirection in the definition of the word OCCULT that initially began your quest for answers. First of all studying the esoteric sciances is difficult and requires a great expenditure of effort and energy especially for those who do not have an innate disposition or talent for it, so foregoing this studies other then superficially, may just save one from costly time and possible repercussions, as mentioned by other members.


As for that mysterious word occult, that the two psychics suggested you have a premonition for, they may have given you some good advice if the word is taken in the write context and with clearer definition of this word +occult, whos etymology comes from occultism, meaning hidden or unknown, so searching for truth, on subjects previously hidden, is in effect studying subjects that are difficult, or unresolved, that require observation and the light of research to clarify, which appears to be what you are alluding to with your inquiries.

So may I also suggest to you, that occult studied will serve you well. Good luck
 
So may I also suggest to you, that occult studied will serve you well. Good luck
Did you actually read the thread?

The thread and the initial post that you are replying to is over 14 years old. The person you are responding to hasn’t even logged in for over 11 years. The thread was renewed today due to a question just a few posts back.

There is a distinction between esoteric sciences and the occult. This forum does not recommend just delving into the occult. Your definition is seriously lacking. That should be clear if you’ve read the thread, the Wave series, and the recommended reading on the subject. There is a whole lot more to the occult than just what is hidden or unknown.

It’s rather interesting that those offering support for going into the occult are lacking in attentiveness, basic knowledge, and awareness and appear to have quite a bit of hubris in their place.
 
The word occult is one of those terms burdened with misunderstanding—especially among many Christians in America, a society that, in my estimation, can hardly be called a bastion of truth. It is often narrow in outlook, hesitant to look beyond its doctrinal walls, and reluctant to explore knowledge that does not conform to its inherited certainties. Such intellectual insularity hinders the very universal awareness that genuine inquiry demands.

Words, after all, are not mere instruments of communication; they are vessels of consciousness. To understand them fully, one must attend to their etymology, for within the roots of language lie the histories of thought itself. Much of the confusion surrounding our present understanding arises from a failure to do precisely this. Over time, our language has been subtly co-opted—its meanings diluted, its definitions politicized, its clarity eroded. A comparison between the definitions in Webster’s Dictionary of a century ago and those of our modern editions can be quite revealing—particularly if one consults Webster’s Annotated Second Edition, a work that still preserves linguistic integrity.

It is there that we encounter the authentic meaning of occult, a word whose lineage reaches deep into the Latin tongue. The following definition, drawn from Etymonline.com, illuminates this origin:


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Occult

1530s, “secret, not divulged,” from French occulte and directly from Latin occultus “hidden, concealed, secret,” the past participle of occulere “to cover over, conceal,” from the assimilated form of ob- “over,” and a verb related to celare “to hide” (from Proto-Indo-European root kel- meaning “to cover, conceal, save”).

The sense of “not apprehended by the mind; beyond the range of understanding” appears by the 1540s, while its association with the so-called “supernatural sciences”—alchemy, astrology, and magic—emerges in the 1630s. The verb occult, meaning “to conceal or keep secret” (c.1500, from Latin occultare), has long since fallen into disuse.


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Thus, my use of the word occult is not a careless flirtation with mysticism, but an invitation to study what lies hidden—knowledge that has been obscured, forgotten, or deliberately veiled. It encompasses the great spectrum of inquiry: from ancient mysteries and healing arts to political mechanisms and revelations within the most advanced frontiers of science.

When I speak of occult studies, I speak of the pursuit of illumination—the disciplined exploration of the unseen dimensions of knowledge that reveal the deeper architecture of existence. It bears no relation to sorcery or the so-called black arts, against which I have often advised caution for one’s own spiritual integrity.

Perhaps, though, what you had in mind were practices such as astrology or divination—arts that are by no means simple to master. When misinterpreted or practiced without understanding, they are indeed “occult” in the original sense: hidden from the grasp of the unprepared mind. If that is your concern, I can only suggest that you read more deeply, for the path of true knowledge is long, and the reward of patient study is clarity
 
But thanks for pointing out that I was responding to an old post. I use a simple phone, so I often gloss over or squint at the screen and can easily miss the small print. Still, my message remains valid, in the sense that it may have some value for other members. Thanks.
 
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