Harold
Jedi Council Member
Hello All,
Very nice to receive a message from you Nienna Eluch and Herondancer (I go look for these two Herons almost every day, I'll check out the dancing this time fer sure).
I have to admit, I am still getting used to the casual approach on this forum.(meanwhile I contradict myself by writing this post so casually....hmmm.... something to ponder.... and now here I am editing it, due to my inability to observe myself, here on the forum where it is so important, thanx forum quorum, Laura, Anart, Cubbex, Paitience, Herondancer and all, little Harry is making little steps)
I know its silly(no kidding? really Harold?Fascinating!) and am sure it is this way on most forums and other electronic communication platforms. But I always have this habit? urge? curiosity? etiquette? My mind works like this (like I know how my mind works, I'm on chapter 41, great stuff about the mind)... I created this post, it is my responsibility to tend to it.(says who?) Herondancer has entered, taken the time to be supportive etc. so I wonder, who is this Herondancer? have we met before? I guess it is the social conditioning (or could it be that I am a egocentric robot? Lots to observe here) and the fact that I don't really separate electronic exchange from physical verbal exchange(as of yet).
When I enter a physical room for discussion, I think I would scan the room quickly, get the lay of the land so to speak and act accordingly, but any exchanges I have in the physical world have all that etiquette involved, that is not applied to on electronic media. I get a awkward, silly feeling when I do this.(at a second glance, I'm sooo boring, get to the point guy!)
Most interesting though is the programming involved here, the attempt to control some how, I see?, I hear? these programs running, trying to get the thin edge of their wedge into my thoughts. Masked behind kind words, but filled with hidden criticism. On the other side of the coin, I do enjoy the art of conversation and will continue to add a little color and etiquette(again contradicting myself right here as I wrote this!) to my exchanges, but I am aware of how a truth of a person can be turned into a half truth very easily(ya no kidding). So the minute I say to myself "I like polite people", this little database pumps out this list of all the people it(who ever that is) claims who are not so polite(claiming I authored the list, which I would really not waste my time doing)..... funny how my name is not on the list, as anybody knows, that we all can be on that list. The heading of the list usually goes something like "Red Alert! Rude People!" And then there seems to be all these 'acceptable' responses(of a passionate nature). Now I'm not against treating rude people accordingly, but that is how I get back to the whole truth, forget the list and all that programming , approach each situation with some degree of caution and proceed.....
Anyways, I only went off on that little tangent because I saw the matrix at work there, anyways I have no recollection of receiving a message from Herondancer before, I've seen your name etc. and read your input etc. and just want to thank you again, and say hi!
Well ummm.... about 2 or 3 months ago, and last week or so when I got back on the forum, when I clicked the link for chapter 36, I would get chapter 38, now I just tried it again, and it worked.
More interesting is how my computer crashed for 3 months just as I opened chapter 33, and now Im having trouble with the chapter continuing from chapter 35 on the fool and the 3 5 connection.
Now before I ever came to the forum. Ok , yes at first I just 'came' to the forum, it took a while until I 'came to' at the forum, and even that is up for debate...lol... anyways, pre C's, I was a little aware of the archetypal energies and studied them and so fourth.(next maybe 'I'll come to believe'......and even that 'I will come to believe, not to believe'.)
One archetype that has loomed large in my life is the fool, that is all I have to say about this for the moment. And now that I think about it, that also is part of the reason that I choose the name Harold here. The herald would travel from village to village delivering the news. Similar or even the same to the Jester/Fool who had the kings ear and could whisper anything into his ear without being beheaded. The Jester could make the most inappropriate and embarrassing remarks before the kings court and get away with it. That's the myth at least, Im sure allot of Jesters were torched to death and what not, as those were the times.
Yes thank you Herondancer, everyday is like what the C's are trying to inform us about, and like you said
This reminds me of?........ here! As above so below! It is like taking a glass of water, and studying it, learning all there is in the universe to know about that glass of water, and then, using that information, and attempting to sail across the oceans. I don't think I'd get very far. So my little universe, is not a constant static situation throughout the universe. I see, by talking to people, that the energies ebb and flow, and if I look further, I see cycles in these energies and so fourth. So when I'm having a bad day, the simple phrase of "this too shall pass" becomes more than a silly little phrase. I sometimes hold onto that phrase for dear life. And yes.... it passes.... always.... with another wave of energy to come along as we move through the cosmos. I believe we move through the energies more than the energies move through us, its just the composition of the universe, like the oceans, some waters are rough and dangerous, some murky, some sweet and healing, some warm, some frozen.
I've been contemplating a method of communicating appropriate ideas to engage some physic's I know to get them to think about stuff. And the analogy of "As above so below" as my premise. I want to draw their attention to the history and mythology of the unknown. The myriad of creatures, fairies, trolls, masters, avatars, demigods, monsters, giants and so on. What does this remind me of? Well here of course. Below the seas, under the surface are millions of creatures, some unknown to us, some not. The same can be said on land. Why should it be any different anywhere else. I just want to start with this, I don't want to go so far as Gurdjieff's 'Rich Magician and the sheep story', but that would be another topic. I just want to get an idea of what they think is out there, and why are all these dead dudes so boring? And full of it sometimes? (who else is full of it too)
Two physic's in particular, who have helped me a great deal are in my old church. I had met them before attending this church, it is a new agey, physic church, where we receive messages and so forth. Anyways these two physic's just showed up serendipitously after I started to attend, all three of us came from 2 cities away to go there. Very love and light sort of place this church, for me very spooky. While there my ego was massaged, tickled, told I would be up on the pulpit, channelling messages to the masses, using my mighty yet unrealized psychic powers.... me! A guy off the street who wonders in to your church, they don't even know me! (but that's what they saw!) On top of that these two physic's friends working on me, using astrology, tarot, numerology, messages and so fourth. Again on paper, my numbers and charts 'state' I'm unique and special! They made me feel special, giving me 4 hour sessions, telling me things no one knew, oh the feelings this created. I'm being vague about the specifics of what was told to me, as it is a little too 'strange' and 'weird', I'm just glad that whatever got me out of there did! I still keep in touch with these people and wish to enrich their lives, as they have mine. I sometimes think about getting back into the church, with hopes that they will put me up on the pulpit, I would really give them something to think about.(woah....gotta check my ego there.... lots to see here folks)
Well gotta go, got two chapters to back track onto.
cheers
harold
Very nice to receive a message from you Nienna Eluch and Herondancer (I go look for these two Herons almost every day, I'll check out the dancing this time fer sure).
I have to admit, I am still getting used to the casual approach on this forum.(meanwhile I contradict myself by writing this post so casually....hmmm.... something to ponder.... and now here I am editing it, due to my inability to observe myself, here on the forum where it is so important, thanx forum quorum, Laura, Anart, Cubbex, Paitience, Herondancer and all, little Harry is making little steps)
I know its silly(no kidding? really Harold?Fascinating!) and am sure it is this way on most forums and other electronic communication platforms. But I always have this habit? urge? curiosity? etiquette? My mind works like this (like I know how my mind works, I'm on chapter 41, great stuff about the mind)... I created this post, it is my responsibility to tend to it.(says who?) Herondancer has entered, taken the time to be supportive etc. so I wonder, who is this Herondancer? have we met before? I guess it is the social conditioning (or could it be that I am a egocentric robot? Lots to observe here) and the fact that I don't really separate electronic exchange from physical verbal exchange(as of yet).
When I enter a physical room for discussion, I think I would scan the room quickly, get the lay of the land so to speak and act accordingly, but any exchanges I have in the physical world have all that etiquette involved, that is not applied to on electronic media. I get a awkward, silly feeling when I do this.(at a second glance, I'm sooo boring, get to the point guy!)
Most interesting though is the programming involved here, the attempt to control some how, I see?, I hear? these programs running, trying to get the thin edge of their wedge into my thoughts. Masked behind kind words, but filled with hidden criticism. On the other side of the coin, I do enjoy the art of conversation and will continue to add a little color and etiquette(again contradicting myself right here as I wrote this!) to my exchanges, but I am aware of how a truth of a person can be turned into a half truth very easily(ya no kidding). So the minute I say to myself "I like polite people", this little database pumps out this list of all the people it(who ever that is) claims who are not so polite(claiming I authored the list, which I would really not waste my time doing)..... funny how my name is not on the list, as anybody knows, that we all can be on that list. The heading of the list usually goes something like "Red Alert! Rude People!" And then there seems to be all these 'acceptable' responses(of a passionate nature). Now I'm not against treating rude people accordingly, but that is how I get back to the whole truth, forget the list and all that programming , approach each situation with some degree of caution and proceed.....
Anyways, I only went off on that little tangent because I saw the matrix at work there, anyways I have no recollection of receiving a message from Herondancer before, I've seen your name etc. and read your input etc. and just want to thank you again, and say hi!
Nienna Eluch said:If you go to the bottom of the page in Chapter 35, you will see the link to Chapter 36. And at the bottom of Chapter 36, is the link to Chapter 37. They are a continuation of Chapter 35's The Fool.Harold said:Well I have to go, I am committed to staying focused in my reading. I have a question about that. I am still using the on-line book, and chapter 36 and 37 seem to be missing. I'll just skip it no problem, but is it a typo or are these 2 chapters missing?
cheers
harold
Well ummm.... about 2 or 3 months ago, and last week or so when I got back on the forum, when I clicked the link for chapter 36, I would get chapter 38, now I just tried it again, and it worked.
More interesting is how my computer crashed for 3 months just as I opened chapter 33, and now Im having trouble with the chapter continuing from chapter 35 on the fool and the 3 5 connection.
Now before I ever came to the forum. Ok , yes at first I just 'came' to the forum, it took a while until I 'came to' at the forum, and even that is up for debate...lol... anyways, pre C's, I was a little aware of the archetypal energies and studied them and so fourth.(next maybe 'I'll come to believe'......and even that 'I will come to believe, not to believe'.)
One archetype that has loomed large in my life is the fool, that is all I have to say about this for the moment. And now that I think about it, that also is part of the reason that I choose the name Harold here. The herald would travel from village to village delivering the news. Similar or even the same to the Jester/Fool who had the kings ear and could whisper anything into his ear without being beheaded. The Jester could make the most inappropriate and embarrassing remarks before the kings court and get away with it. That's the myth at least, Im sure allot of Jesters were torched to death and what not, as those were the times.
herondancer said:Hi Harold,Harold said:Really? Cool. Its one thing to be pointing in the right direction, its another to have enough inertia to make the turn and keep up speed. To continue this analogy in regards to reading the 'Wave' I wonder if I have adjusted my direction too early, too slowly, only to flounder aimlessly, watching my destination just float in front of me ahead.... seemingly out of reach.... that can be more frustrating than not making the turn at all. I don't know if I have enough speed this time, or too much, but my recent experience with you guys and the wave and so fourth in making these maneuvers has shown me that a) if I take this tack too slowly, I become impatient and angry, b) if I take it too quickly, others around me appear to become impatient and angry... like when I first joined this forum and assumed I knew what was being discussed here.
Welcome back. It seems like you are making progress in your understanding and finding a balance in your relationships and interactions. Laura has described it as a dance with the Universe, as it manifests in your life. When you have an optimum of organization in your response to the Universe, you have a more harmonious environment. It's more organized, as opposed to chaotic. But, the Universe is in constant flux, so you need to remain as open, aware and responsive to It, as it is, to be able to make those good choices. Thus the need to remove programs and buffers. They interfere with that purity of perception. Relationships are an excellent training ground, as is the purposeful assimilation of knowledge.
And remember, it's fun! ;D
Herondancer
Yes thank you Herondancer, everyday is like what the C's are trying to inform us about, and like you said
herondancer said:But, the Universe is in constant flux, so you need to remain as open, aware and responsive to It, as it is, to be able to make those good choices.
This reminds me of?........ here! As above so below! It is like taking a glass of water, and studying it, learning all there is in the universe to know about that glass of water, and then, using that information, and attempting to sail across the oceans. I don't think I'd get very far. So my little universe, is not a constant static situation throughout the universe. I see, by talking to people, that the energies ebb and flow, and if I look further, I see cycles in these energies and so fourth. So when I'm having a bad day, the simple phrase of "this too shall pass" becomes more than a silly little phrase. I sometimes hold onto that phrase for dear life. And yes.... it passes.... always.... with another wave of energy to come along as we move through the cosmos. I believe we move through the energies more than the energies move through us, its just the composition of the universe, like the oceans, some waters are rough and dangerous, some murky, some sweet and healing, some warm, some frozen.
I've been contemplating a method of communicating appropriate ideas to engage some physic's I know to get them to think about stuff. And the analogy of "As above so below" as my premise. I want to draw their attention to the history and mythology of the unknown. The myriad of creatures, fairies, trolls, masters, avatars, demigods, monsters, giants and so on. What does this remind me of? Well here of course. Below the seas, under the surface are millions of creatures, some unknown to us, some not. The same can be said on land. Why should it be any different anywhere else. I just want to start with this, I don't want to go so far as Gurdjieff's 'Rich Magician and the sheep story', but that would be another topic. I just want to get an idea of what they think is out there, and why are all these dead dudes so boring? And full of it sometimes? (who else is full of it too)
Two physic's in particular, who have helped me a great deal are in my old church. I had met them before attending this church, it is a new agey, physic church, where we receive messages and so forth. Anyways these two physic's just showed up serendipitously after I started to attend, all three of us came from 2 cities away to go there. Very love and light sort of place this church, for me very spooky. While there my ego was massaged, tickled, told I would be up on the pulpit, channelling messages to the masses, using my mighty yet unrealized psychic powers.... me! A guy off the street who wonders in to your church, they don't even know me! (but that's what they saw!) On top of that these two physic's friends working on me, using astrology, tarot, numerology, messages and so fourth. Again on paper, my numbers and charts 'state' I'm unique and special! They made me feel special, giving me 4 hour sessions, telling me things no one knew, oh the feelings this created. I'm being vague about the specifics of what was told to me, as it is a little too 'strange' and 'weird', I'm just glad that whatever got me out of there did! I still keep in touch with these people and wish to enrich their lives, as they have mine. I sometimes think about getting back into the church, with hopes that they will put me up on the pulpit, I would really give them something to think about.(woah....gotta check my ego there.... lots to see here folks)
Well gotta go, got two chapters to back track onto.
cheers
harold