Higgs Boson Finally Found?

[Lisyl]

Aye, I will look into all of that. There's a lot of deception but the Reptilian connection is quite disturbing, because I have dealt with one first hand and that was the first of many. At any rate, many of us are sitting with immense powers that we have been led to believe we do not possess, time to rectify that!

 

[anart]

Aye, I will look into all of that. There's a lot of deception but the Reptilian connection is quite disturbing, because I have dealt with one first hand and that was the first of many. At any rate, many of us are sitting with immense powers that we have been led to believe we do not possess, time to rectify that!

Hi Lisyl, have you read the Wave Series yet?

 

[kenlee]

Q: Okay. In the natural state, where do electrons come from?

A: Aether boundary with material continuum.

Just speculating a little here but I wonder if this Aether boundary can be compared to what Gurdjieff called this undifferentiated 'Etherkrilno' in Beezebubs Tales? Maybe there is some kind of boundary between this Etherkrilno (which might have correspondences with the Higgs Field) and the creation of the subatomic world at the other end of the boundary? The subatomic world might be the very beginning and the basis of this 'material continuum'. Perhaps, somehow, under certain conditions incomprehensible to us, little quanta of this Etherkrilno will jump thru that boundary like a spray mist from some big ocean to form corpuscles and particles?

Taking this as a working hypothesis then perhaps the subatomic world can (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subatomic_particle), basically, be considered to be the 'electronic world' and the electronic world, (electrons, photons, neutrinos, mesons, electromagnetic radiation, etc) is the very first layer of this 'material continuum' and is the precursor to material existence itself?

This would allow for material existence to reach higher levels of material complexity and 'evolve' in that sense. The sub atomic or electronic world would make it possible for interactions and energy exchanges to occur within and between complex atomic structures such as atomic nuclei (via nuclear forces), allow for chemical bonding between atoms to take place and so on. So in a sense, maybe, this first layer of existence (which might be the electronic world and it's subatomic particles) can be considered to be comprised of 'quantas of interaction' that allow for interactions and energy exchanges to occur between more complex atomic structures. In this sense, maybe, interaction itself is quantified?

If the Higgs boson is part of that first layer of existence then I think I could understand it better from within that context. Also if one takes as a working hypothesis that the material world is a 'continuum' then I would think that there would have to be dimensions to it to give the particles within it their different characteristics. But basically I think there would still be a central unity to it all. Maybe it's like a scaffolding of some kind where there is 'dimensional space' that gives room (so to speak) for the particles to 'grow' and transform into more complex entities. Just some thoughts on this.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Actually, there's also this session which mentions electrons in those terms:

March 29, 1997

Frank, Terry, Jan, Ark, Laura

[...]

Q: (Laura) OK. Does an electron have a memory?

A: Electron is borrowed unit of 7th density.

Ahhh! Yes! That's what I had seen!

So protons come from 7D while electrons are borrowed units from 7D. Hummm, this will have my mind working for quite a while.

Given the fact that our universe is of electromagnetic nature, I think I can understand that electrons are really "powering" matter as we know it (electricity or "free energy" as the C's have already stated).

In very simplistic terms, the proton (quarks) could be basic building blocks of matter while electrons "electrify" them and make all chemistry possible. Just like electrons pass through our super-conducting ammonia core on and off. Maby electrons, given their wave-particle property could appear on and off atoms as well (or maybe not as it would make them unstable, I dunno). Same principle, diffrent scales. Maby you can help me clarify this.

Does an electron (or many) "orbiting" a nucleus create a specific EM field that would otherwise not exist? Or do all quanta (not atoms) already have their own? I think the former would be correct.

Anyways, my physics knowledge is pretty limited so far so excuse my lack of understanding on the matter. Help would be appreciated.

Peace.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Q: Okay. In the natural state, where do electrons come from?

A: Aether boundary with material continuum.

Just speculating a little here but I wonder if this Aether boundary can be compared to what Gurdjieff called this undifferentiated 'Etherkrilno' in Beezebubs Tales? Maybe there is some kind of boundary between this Etherkrilno (which might have correspondences with the Higgs Field) and the creation of the subatomic world at the other end of the boundary? The subatomic world might be the very beginning and the basis of this 'material continuum'. Perhaps, somehow, under certain conditions incomprehensible to us, little quanta of this Etherkrilno will jump thru that boundary like a spray mist from some big ocean to form corpuscles and particles?

Taking this as a working hypothesis then perhaps the subatomic world can (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subatomic_particle), basically, be considered to be the 'electronic world' and the electronic world, (electrons, photons, neutrinos, mesons, electromagnetic radiation, etc) is the very first layer of this 'material continuum' and is the precursor to material existence itself?

This would allow for material existence to reach higher levels of material complexity and 'evolve' in that sense. The sub atomic or electronic world would make it possible for interactions and energy exchanges to occur within and between complex atomic structures such as atomic nuclei (via nuclear forces), allow for chemical bonding between atoms to take place and so on. So in a sense, maybe, this first layer of existence (which might be the electronic world and it's subatomic particles) can be considered to be comprised of 'quantas of interaction' that allow for interactions and energy exchanges to occur between more complex atomic structures. In this sense, maybe, interaction itself is quantified?

If the Higgs boson is part of that first layer of existence then I think I could understand it better from within that context. Also if one takes as a working hypothesis that the material world is a 'continuum' then I would think that there would have to be dimensions to it to give the particles within it their different characteristics. But basically I think there would still be a central unity to it all. Maybe it's like a scaffolding of some kind where there is 'dimensional space' that gives room (so to speak) for the particles to 'grow' and transform into more complex entities. Just some thoughts on this.

Interesting. I don't understand everything (haven't read Gurjieff yet) but from what I get I like.

Higgs boson is important as it gives rise to mass.

Ra said that the fundamental unit of matter is the photon, in other word, light. Interactions give diffrent properties to this light and it then is recorgnized as subatomic particles by the observer.

The Higgs boson seem to give mass to particles. This is a very fundamental property and only photons and gluons have so far no mass (neutrino is still uncertain if I recall). But what triggers it and other bosons to interact with fundamental quanta to give rise to this "holographic" reality? What is the basic mechanism that gives rise to all physics?

I think that's where we need to include gravity, ether, consciousness (thought forms) and awarness.

Anyhow, feel free to guide me a bit here. This is deep stuff. I may be off.

 

[John G]

The Higgs is kind of the highest mass boson associated with the most massive fermion pairs (top-antitop aka truth-antitruth). Above this Higgs vacuum expectation energy, everything is massless cause the vacuum gets unstable due to the boson being too light to handle the mass of the fermion pair.

In terms of UFTs, the Higgs might be something that shows up in 6-dim gravity models. The conventional Higgs is a scalar field but a UFT version might also have vector fields related to aether and longitudinal photons and things like 4th density and the Philadelphia Experiment as well as more conventional things like the Pioneer anomaly, dark energy, cosmological constant, and expanding universe(s).

 

[mkrnhr]

Hello Bluelamp,
Can you substantiate your suggestions? The Higgs Boson is a consequence of a theoretical model (the standard model) that has its own set or hypotheses and domain of application. For instance, why among all other "charges" the Up and Down would represent "truth and anti-truth"? How would you describe the physics of 4th density with the subatomic electro-weak interaction? It may be so, or not. But there are nothing to prove so IMHO.

 

[John G]

Can you substantiate your suggestions? The Higgs Boson is a consequence of a theoretical model (the standard model) that has its own set or hypotheses and domain of application. For instance, why among all other "charges" the Up and Down would represent "truth and anti-truth"? How would you describe the physics of 4th density with the subatomic electro-weak interaction? It may be so, or not. But there are nothing to prove so IMHO.

The model I like for the Higgs is based on this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_quark_condensate

In particle physics, the top quark condensate theory is an alternative to the Standard Model in which a fundamental scalar Higgs field is replaced by a composite field composed of the top quark and its antiquark...

This model predicts how the electroweak scale may match the top quark mass. The idea was first described by Yoichiro Nambu in a series of talks and then elucidated by Vladimir Miransky, Masaharu Tanabashi, and Koichi Yamawaki in their 1989 paper Is the t Quark Responsible for the Mass of W and Z Bosons?, in which they attempt to set the parameters so that the four-fermion interaction will have an ultraviolet fixed point. A year later it was developed into a more predictive scheme, based upon the renormalization group, by William A. Bardeen, Christopher T. Hill, and Manfred Lindner in the article Minimal Dynamical Symmetry Breaking of the Standard Model in which the authors do not attempt to render the theory renormalizable. Top quark condensation is essentially based upon the "quasi-infrared fixed point" for the top quark Higgs-Yukawa coupling, proposed in 1981 by Hill in the paper Quark and Lepton Masses from Renormalization Group Fixed Points...

Top condensation arises naturally in Topcolor models, that are extensions of the standard model in analogy to Quantum Chromodynamics. To be natural, without excessive fine-tuning (i.e. to stabilize the Higgs mass from large radiative corrections), the theory requires new physics at a relatively low energy scale. Placing new physics at 10 TeV, for instance, the model predicts the top quark to be significantly heavier than observed (at about 600 GeV vs. 171 GeV). "Top Seesaw" models, also based upon Topcolor, circumvent this difficulty. These theories will be tested at the LHC.

Higgs/top quark condensate models require extensions to the Standard Model and the Extension I like is Ark's 6-dim conformal gravity based on Irving Segal's conformal gravity work and a Kaluza-Klein-like spacetime. As for how one gets the Higgs/top quark condensate from an Irving Segal/Kaluza-Klein model:

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/Triviality3states2009.html

Pierre Ramond says (as quoted above) that for the Triviality Bound "... we expect the standard model to enter a strong coupling regime ... it is natural to think that this effect is caused by new strong interactions, and that the Higgs actually is a composite ...", and a composite Higgs = TTbar condensate is consistent with the 8-dim Kaluza-Klein model of Yamawaki et al;

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/SegalConf.html

In his book Mathematical Cosmology and Extragalactic Astronomy (Academic Press 1976) (pages 72-75, 88-91), Segal says:

"... The suitably scaled 15 linearly independent generators Lij of symmetries of unispace [Segal's term for the Conformal RP1 x S3 SpaceTime used in the D4-D5-E6-E7 model - from here on on this page I will call it Conformal SpaceTime] ... differ from the 11 generators of the group of global conformal transformations in Minkowski space by terms of the order 1 / R^2 [as R becomes infinite, where R is the radius of curvature of Conformal SpaceTime] ...

... The angular momenta Lij ... [ i,j = 1,2; 2,3; 3,1 ] ... have ... the same expression both in Minkowski space and in [Conformal SpaceTime] ... The same is true of the boosts ... -iL0,j ... ( j = 1,2,3 ) ... and the infinitesimal scale transformation [ L-1,4 ] ...
... The scale generator - L-1,4 ... determines a ... scalar field. This ... is most naturally interpreted from a gravitational standpoint ...

... two ordered sets, each containing four of the Lij, converge on the same ... fields in Minkowski space ... in particular, R^(-1) L-1,j and R^(-1) Lj,4 [ for j = 0,1,2,3 ] both ... agree ... [as R becomes infinite] with the [corresponding Minkowski] conventional energy-momentum component. ... The differences L-1,j - Lj,4 thus are ... representable by a ... vector field, which physically would appear most naturally as potentially related to gravitational phenomena ... ".

...let the Scalar Field determined by the scale generator - L-1,4 correspond to the Higgs Scalar Field. Then, let, for j = 0,1,2,3, the four generators L-1,j - Lj,4 represent a vector field, what I call the GraviPhoton field. GraviPhotons look like: Virtual Covariant Conventional U(1) Photons, in that they have 4 Components, including Longitudina/Scalar Components; and Vector Gravitons that can interact with the Imaginary Part of Complex Spacetime. The relevant Complex Structure can be seen in such physical concepts as Momentum Space, Position-Momentum Complementarity, Type IV(2) Domains, Hyperspace, Black Holes, and Wavelets.

The longitudinal/scalar components, imaginary part of complex spacetime, and hyperspace aspects are what seem 4th density-like.

 

[Buddy]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/07/120704-god-particle-higgs-boson-new-cern-science/

"We have a discovery," Heuer said at the seminar. "We have observed a new particle consistent with a Higgs boson."

Although preliminary, the results show a so-called five-sigma of significance, which means that there is only a one in a million chance that the Higgs-like signal the teams observed is a statistical fluke.

So it seems like they may have finally found it after decades of research. Good ol' Peter must be quite excited. Hope this didn't gave him a heart attack.

Well, he was all teary-eyed for some reason. I checked Chris Schiller's Higgs boson update page. Here's his latest:

Prediction update - July 2012

The two experiments at the LHC in Geneva have observed a boson with a mass around 126 GeV. It is not clear yet whether the boson is elementary or whether it has spin 0. If the observed boson is indeed the Higgs boson, the 'dirty trick' of Figure 85 on page 291 might apply to it [see below]; another, so far overlooked strand configuration may also apply. If no strand configuration is possible, and if the Higgs indeed exists, the strand model is wrong. The issue can be tested in future experiments and with more research.
_http://www.motionmountain.net/research.html#stat

Since there seems no way at all to construct a spin-0 tangle in the strand model, said model may have to be scrapped if Higgs-Boson actually exists (as contrasted with being created on demand by experiments themselves). He admits his only two options would be an as yet overlooked configuration or a "dirty trick":

* If the arguments against the existence of the Higgs boson turn out to be wrong, then the strand model might be saved with a dirty trick: we could argue that the tangle of Figure 84 might effectively have spin 0.
In this case, the ropelength of the Borromean rings, 29.03, together with the ropelengths of the weak bosons
lead to a Higgs mass prediction, to first order, in the range from (29.03/10.1)1/3 * 80.4GeV = 114GeV to (29.03/13.7)1/3 * 91.2GeV = 117GeV, plus or minus a few per cent. In this case, glueballs based on closed knots and links should also exist.

_http://www.motionmountain.net/mmdownload.php?f=motionmountain-volume6.pdf
or read online at Scribd: _http://www.scribd.com/motionmountain/d/11598480

Now I *still* don't know why they call it the 'God Particle' as we all know it was a misstranscription of the 'Goddamned Particle'. Can't they quit with sensationalism already and missinformation? That could lead to unecessary arguments as seen in the comment section. Anyways...

My feeling is that "God particle" references are intended to ensure continued public support. Expenses from all this are sure to be massive.

So one step closer to UFT? Perhaps. Now the fun part will be to try to understand what gravity is all about.

To recapitulate what the C's have said concerning quantum gravity is that "there are no gravitons, they are merely electrons in a time vaccum". They have also said that the string theory is no good.

Electrons within a time vaccum?

This one has been working my mind since I ever read it.

I wonder if it could somehow be a reference to quantum science's "QVF" (quantum vacuum fluctuation) or VES (Vacuum energy space)? If memory serves, this refers to an isotropic energy density of 1093 grams/cubic-centimeter! Compare this with the speculation of our classically 'known' universe's energy density being based upon 1080 average weight atoms, with a ~spheric volume 30 billion light years across. Seems to me that quantum coherence, density and gravity all refer to different ways of viewing the same phenomena.

See:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

So what do you think? What's the next big step?

Wait and see? :)

 

[Deleted member 8431]

For instance, why among all other "charges" the Up and Down would represent "truth and anti-truth"?

I don't really understand what you mean. "Truth" and "anti-truth" are alternatives names for "top" and "anti-top". Just like "beauty" is sometimes used to refer to "bottom" quark.

I wonder if it could somehow be a reference to quantum science's "QVF" (quantum vacuum fluctuation) or VES (Vacuum energy space)? If memory serves, this refers to an isotropic energy density of 1093 grams/cubic-centimeter! Compare this with the speculation of our classically 'known' universe's energy density being based upon 1080 average weight atoms, with a ~spheric volume 30 billion light years across. Seems to me that quantum coherence, density and gravity all refer to different ways of viewing the same phenomena.

See:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

I have heard of that. I will take a look again since it's been a while. Here is already something interesting that caught my attention:

"Vacuum fluctuations are always created as particle/antiparticle pairs." -- Wikipedia: Vacuum Energy

The C's have talked about that. Anti-matter is the doorway to other densities and/or dimensions. When it is re-united with matter, you have just unified the fields and opened up a doorway to other relams. Kind of like in the Philadelphia Experiment with our friend Tesla.

So could they be peeking at the nature of gravity when talking about vacuum energy? Could those "quantum fluctuations" mentionned here be gravity waves? Or at least, it's energy expression (electromagnetism)?

Wait and see? :)

More like: can't wait to see! ;)

Actually I don't even know why I'm asking this. I'm positive that the UFT is well-known already by "them" (secret government & pals). And considering that it reveals the hyperdimensional nature of our reality, I can clearly see why it is good for them to keep it in the safe.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Here is an interesting quote from Ra about Einstein and Tesla.

26.20

Questioner: Thank you. In the recent past of the last thirty to forty years the UFO phenomena have become known to our population. What was the original reason for the increase in what we call UFO activity in the past forty years?

Ra: I am Ra. Information which Confederation sources had offered to your entity, Albert, became perverted, and instruments of destruction began to be created, examples of this being the Manhattan Project and its product.

Information offered through Wanderer, sound vibration, Nikola, also being experimented with for potential destruction: example, your so-called Philadelphia Experiment.

Thus, we felt a strong need to involve our thought-forms in whatever way we of the Confederation could be of service in order to balance these distortions of information meant to aid your planetary sphere.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

More about Tesla.

8.6

Questioner: How did the United States learn the technology to build these craft?

Ra: I am Ra. There was a mind/body/spirit complex known to your people by the vibratory sound complex, Nikola. This entity departed the illusion and the papers containing the necessary understandings were taken by mind/body/spirit complexes serving your security of national divisional complex. Thus your people became privy to the basic technology. In the case of those mind/body/spirit complexes which you call Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty-seven of your years ago, to share information and bring about peace among your peoples. The entities giving this information were in error, but we did many things at the end of this cycle in attempts to aid your harvest from which we learned the folly of certain types of aid. That is a contributing factor to our more cautious approach at this date, even as the need is power upon power greater, and your people’s call is greater and greater.

11.25

Questioner: Then I would assume that you can’t name him. So I will ask you where Nikola Tesla got his information?

Ra: I am Ra. The one known as Nikola received information from Confederation sources desirous of aiding this extremely, shall we say, angelically positive entity in bettering the existence of its fellow mind/body/spirit complexes. It is unfortunate, shall we say, that like many Wanderers the vibratory distortions of third-density illusion caused this entity to become extremely distorted in its perceptions of its fellow mind/body/spirit complexes so that its mission was hindered and in the result, perverted from its purposes.

11.26

Questioner: How was Tesla’s work supposed to benefit man on Earth, and what were its purposes?

Ra: I am Ra. The most desired purpose of the mind/body/spirit complex, Nikola, was the freeing of all planetary entities from darkness. Thus, it attempted to give to the planet the infinite energy of the planetary sphere for use in lighting and power.

11.27

Questioner: By freeing the planetary entities from darkness, precisely what do you mean?

Ra: I am Ra. (Most of the following answer was lost due to tape recorder malfunction. The core of the response was as follows.) We spoke of freeing people from darkness in a literal sense.

11.28

Questioner: Would this freeing from darkness be commensurate with the Law of One or does this have any real product?

Ra: I am Ra. The product of such a freeing would create two experiences.

Firstly, the experience of no need to find the necessary emolument for payment, in your money, for energy.

Secondly, the leisure afforded, thereby exemplifying the possibility and enhancing the probability of the freedom to then search the self, the beginning of seeking the Law of One.

Few there are working physically from daybreak to darkness, as you name them, upon your plane who can contemplate the Law of One in a conscious fashion.

11.29

Questioner: What about the Industrial Revolution in general. Was this planned in any way?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final question of this session.

That is correct. Wanderers incarnated in several waves, as you may call them, in order to bring into existence the gradual freeing from the demands of the diurnal cycles and lack of freedom of leisure.

 

[Lisyl]

Hello Lisyl,
Although the Sumerian story hints to some genetic manipulation by 4DSTS on human bodies, it does tell nothing about what happens to the souls. As with every myth, and especially official religious stories that belong to a hierarchical system as in Sumer, Egypt, Rome, etc. one has to be aware also of the propaganda aspect that justifies the hierarchical system and the enslavement of people.

Do you really want to know what happens to the souls? They can be manipulated too (on every level) - marked so as soon as you try to do something, they will be notified and they will stop you. They track you, they implant you, they prevent lively energies from filtering down. They do things which they have no right to - they write fates, even destinies. Of course they do this in a way that benefits them and ROBS us of what we have earned and learned. There are many clans/races/cults - ALL OF THEM are in on this. I cannot begin to explain the extent to which they have been meddling; energy blocks, encoding, binding. Some of these creatures/contracts are programmed to release toxic energies upon destruction.

I agree with the need for awareness, because official religious stories are highly suspicious; they are tailored to glorify deities. Deities are nothing compared to what we could (and should) be doing and what we need to be dealing with. There is a true hierarchy which was documented even long before the Big Bang. All these records were since stolen but most of them have been reclaimed. Those that were around did not want to accept their roles but they were hectically powerful. But that was only part of the problem - the "reptilians" had virtually perfected their embodied forms even back then. Watch - whenever signals from their stations are disrupted, their cloaking devices will fail.

 

[anart]

Hello Lisyl,
Although the Sumerian story hints to some genetic manipulation by 4DSTS on human bodies, it does tell nothing about what happens to the souls. As with every myth, and especially official religious stories that belong to a hierarchical system as in Sumer, Egypt, Rome, etc. one has to be aware also of the propaganda aspect that justifies the hierarchical system and the enslavement of people.

Do you really want to know what happens to the souls? They can be manipulated too (on every level) - marked so as soon as you try to do something, they will be notified and they will stop you. They track you, they implant you, they prevent lively energies from filtering down. They do things which they have no right to - they write fates, even destinies. Of course they do this in a way that benefits them and ROBS us of what we have earned and learned. There are many clans/races/cults - ALL OF THEM are in on this. I cannot begin to explain the extent to which they have been meddling; energy blocks, encoding, binding. Some of these creatures/contracts are programmed to release toxic energies upon destruction.

I agree with the need for awareness, because official religious stories are highly suspicious; they are tailored to glorify deities. Deities are nothing compared to what we could (and should) be doing and what we need to be dealing with. There is a true hierarchy which was documented even long before the Big Bang. All these records were since stolen but most of them have been reclaimed. Those that were around did not want to accept their roles but they were hectically powerful. But that was only part of the problem - the "reptilians" had virtually perfected their embodied forms even back then. Watch - whenever signals from their stations are disrupted, their cloaking devices will fail.

Hi Lisly, it's obvious that you've not yet read the Wave Series and are invested in material that is rather fanciful to say the least. That is fine, but if you could please read the material relevant to this forum, it would be appreciated. Until then, your posting privileges have been removed.

 

[Jodi]

Re: Higgs Boson Finally Foun

I'm getting confused and need to grasp what aim reading. In the first of the "Wave" series, the C's tell Laura that gravity binds the ethereal and the physical. I don't see at all where unstable gravity fits in... But regardless, I thought that the Higgs Boson popped into existence to essentially slow a particle down so that another particle could bind to the first one and create mass. I looked up the Higgs Boson and here I am.

I'm having a hard time with gravity. It's considered a weak force yet it is actually THE Force. This feels true to me as I read it but I'm stuck on how this works and what exactly unstable gravity is. I want to mention a few more things but need to do a search and also think about my wording. The topic goes into Zechariah Sitchen's work and I'm very familiar with it and it seems misplaced here.

If any one would be inclined to direct me on the topic of unstable gravity or even tell me what it is, it would be much appreciated!! I will keep searching. Thank you!,