High Dose Melatonin Therapy

Very interesting, thanks for sharing! A few more papers:

The effect of high dose melatonin on cardiac ischemia-reperfusion Injury (FYI: ischemia-reperfusion injury is: tissue damage caused when blood supply returns to tissue after a period of ischemia or lack of oxygen)
  • This study showed that high dose melatonin offered protection against this injury by "scavenging the free radicals and could have a potential clinical use in the management of myocardial ischemia"
  • The test subjects were rats, however. The rats that received melatonin, received 50 mg/kg i.p, Sigma, M-5250, St. Louis, MO, USA. (I'm guessing that's where they got their melatonin from)
Neuroprotective effects of high-dose vs low-dose melatonin after blunt sciatic nerve injury
  • Researchers conclude: Our results suggest that melatonin, especially at a dose of 50 mg/kg, has a potent neuroprotective effect and can preserve peripheral neural fibers from lipid peroxidative damage after blunt trauma. With further investigations, we hope that these data may prove useful to clinicians who treat patients with nerve injuries.
  • Rats were also used in this study: The SNI plus low-dose or high-dose melatonin groups received intraperitoneal melatonin at doses of 10 mg/kg or 50 mg/kg, respectively.
Reduced oxidative damage in ALS by high-dose enteral melatonin treatment
  • Their whole abstract is worth posting I think: Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) is the collective term for a fatal motoneuron disease of different etiologies, with oxidative stress as a common molecular denominator of disease progression. Melatonin is an amphiphilic molecule with a unique spectrum of antioxidative effects not conveyed by classical antioxidants. In preparation of a possible future clinical trial, we explored the potential of melatonin as neuroprotective compound and antioxidant in: (1) cultured motoneuronal cells (NSC-34), (2) a genetic mouse model of ALS (SOD1(G93A)-transgenic mice), and (3) a group of 31 patients with sporadic ALS. We found that melatonin attenuates glutamate-induced cell death of cultured motoneurons. In SOD1(G93A)-transgenic mice, high-dose oral melatonin delayed disease progression and extended survival. In a clinical safety study, chronic high-dose (300 mg/day) rectal melatonin was well tolerated during an observation period of up to 2 yr. Importantly, circulating serum protein carbonyls, which provide a surrogate marker for oxidative stress, were elevated in ALS patients, but were normalized to control values by melatonin treatment. This combination of preclinical effectiveness and proven safety in humans suggests that high-dose melatonin is suitable for clinical trials aimed at neuroprotection through antioxidation in ALS.
  • More info from the paper itself: Patients were treated for 11.5 ± 1.2 (2–24) months. Rectal application immediately achieved high plasma and urinary melatonin levels, but still maintained–at a higher niveau–a day/night pattern (Fig. 4A and suppl. Fig. 3). Follow-up analysis after 2 months showed that melatonin plasma levels stayed in the expected range, indicating that continuous melatonin administration does not lead to accumulation or increased metabolism. No adverse effects were observed nor reported. Mean routine laboratory data remained essentially unchanged. Several parameters showed typical fluctuations, e.g., associated with physical stress or intercurrent infections (creatine kinase or leucocytes), but none of them likely to be related to melatonin. In two cases, the discontinuation of riluzole revealed that temporarily increased transaminase values were the result of riluzole rather than melatonin. Some patients reported initially faster sleep onset (n = 5), improved sleep quality (n = 15), and better sleep continuation (n = 3), while others did not find their sleep changed (n = 14). No signs of hangover or increased fatigue during daytime were noted. Melatonin medication was well accepted by patients, and only eight discontinued treatment: five at the end stage, three with extremely rapidly progressing disease, who refused any medication. A total of 13 patients died (respiratory failure), most of them entering the safety study at an advanced disease stage (mean ALSFRS upon entry 23.6 ± 1.8; range 12–31). The ALSFRS scores from study entry to 1 yr of follow-up for all patients (n ¼ 31) are presented in Fig. 4B.
  • The patients received the high dose melatonin in the evening.
To summarize, two studies with rats showed that high dose melatonin protected against tissue damage and nerve injury, respectively, and one study with patients with sporadic ALS showed high dose melatonin improved sleep for some (onset, quality, and continuation) and reduced oxidative stress levels. So all these results point to the neuroprotective properties of high dose melatonin as also noted before in this thread. I wonder why the researchers opted for rectal application of melatonin as done in the third study with patients (does it yield better results?). All-in-all quite interesting. Never thought that such a high dose of melatonin (300mg/day!!) would have such effects. But of course, caution is important. FWIW.
 
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Thanks for the posts indicating even Autoimmunity properties and blood-brain barrier aspects of melatonin.

I use 5 mg in the evenings and it seems to help some with sleep.

I just thought I would list some Cs comments on some of the effects of melatonin which don't seem to show up in most current research.

Session 28 October 1994:
Q: (L) Why should we take the Melatonin?

A: Is mild hallucinogen.

Q: (L) Why do we need this?

A: Keeps exercising psychic abilities and opens paths. Don't be alarmed by vividly erotic dreams.

Q: (L) Should we expect to have vividly erotic dreams?

A: Possible as psyche passes through levels on ascension.

Session 16 November 1994:
Q: (L) When L__ took the Melatonin the other night, how come he was unable to sleep?

A: Adjusting to the melatonin.

Want to remember dreams better? Melatonin may help.

Session 19 November 1994:
Q: (T) I have not been remembering most of my dreams.

A: Try melatonin; avoid any antidepressants. Some have suggested.

Session 9 June 1996:
Q: (L) Well, apparently a lot of people who have psychotic episodes, literally go out of their minds. They can no longer function in this world. They LOCK them up!

A: Yes...

Q: (L) Why does melatonin induce these openings?

A: Gentle hallucinogen.

Q: (L) SV's mother took it and got all discombobulated with it!

A: Perception is key. If you really "dig" 3rd density, it makes you uncomfortable to see into the higher densities.

Q: (L) Can one use something like this and grow accustomed to the higher densities?

A: Ask Timothy Leary.

Q: (S) It's too late now! He's in 5 D! (L) Ask him for us.

A: We did, and he liked it a lot!

Q: (L) Did all of his use of hallucinogenics make it easier for him to transition?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where is he now?

A: 5th density.

Session 23 October 1999:
Q: I want to you have lost a fan because he was not happy with what he considered to be "internal inconsistencies" in that you were NOT favorably disposed toward hallucinations produced by substances such as Mescaline and Ayahuasca, but yet you recommend Melatonin because it is a hallucinogen. Then, you said that spiritual powers could not be obtained through chemicals or plant type means, but then said that Melatonin exercises psychic abilities. Could you comment on this?

A: Several comments: First of all, "fan" is short for "fanatic." Secondly, melatonin does not force an alteration in physiological brain chemicals, as do mescaline, peyote, LSD, etc. Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythms of psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of self-imposed abridging of free will. Melatonin simply allows the system to clear obstructions in the brain chemistry naturally, thereby allowing the subject to continue to learn at a natural pace. And, it is by no means unimportant that melatonin is a natural body hormone. The other substances mentioned are, at least in part, synthetic, with the exception of peyote. But even that is not a natural ingredient of the human physiological being. And besides, we have already discussed the importance, or lack thereof, of those who pass judgment upon this exercise, or communication.

Just in case some are having different reactions to melatonin it might help to realize it may affect some in different ways to different degrees depending on genetics etc..
 
A: Ask Timothy Leary.

Q: (S) It's too late now! He's in 5 D! (L) Ask him for us.

A: We did, and he liked it a lot!

Q: (L) Did all of his use of hallucinogenics make it easier for him to transition?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where is he now?

A: 5th density.
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Glad to hear that! Thanks for posting @goyacobol


Awesome info on melatonin in this thread too!! Thanks all
Started with it recently and I have good results. 3mg one hour before sleep.
Whats funny I had the need for it and had it at home (as a backup) but didnt remember to use it untill Ive seen it in "The Wave" series. Go figure..
Thanks a million Laura and Cs!!
 
Okay, I have tried CBD and have taken it for a long time but it does not help me sleep. I have even got the CBD with melatonin in it and certain types specifically formulated to help you sleep.

Also, I do have autoimmune issues so perhaps I shouldn't be messing with melatonin at all.
@Mrs. Peel
Maybe Ashwhagandha root tea could be of help. I use it sometimes and it allows for a peacefull sleep. Ashwhagandha is an adaptogen and is calming and soothing. Since it handles stress you can sleep better. Maybe it would help with your autoimmune issues too. Its been used in ayurveda for a loooong time and is seen as very important. Used as a tonic for general health. It has a broad spectrum of action. It certainly did wonders for me so I can only recommend. And Im lucky since it is now grown here in Croatia too.. If you want a recipe just ask.

Heres good info on what it can do :
(western styled review of properties)
Indian:
 
Maybe Ashwhagandha root tea could be of help. I use it sometimes and it allows for a peacefull sleep. Ashwhagandha is an adaptogen and is calming and soothing. Since it handles stress you can sleep better. Maybe it would help with your autoimmune issues too. Its been used in ayurveda for a loooong time and is seen as very important. Used as a tonic for general health. It has a broad spectrum of action. It certainly did wonders for me so I can only recommend. And Im lucky since it is now grown here in Croatia too.. If you want a recipe just ask.

Hi Agron,

While I haven't tried the tea, I've been taking Ashwagandha in capsule form for some time now as adrenal support, although frankly I really don't notice any effect.

Thanks anyway. :-)
 
Hi Agron,

While I haven't tried the tea, I've been taking Ashwagandha in capsule form for some time now as adrenal support, although frankly I really don't notice any effect.

Thanks anyway. :-)
I have taken it during the day (powder mixed with water or juice) with an energizing/relaxing effect. Making tea before sleep gives a different, almost sedative effect. 4-5grams in a dose. Tea is 15minute boil on lowest heat.
I always feel ashwagandha root when I take it so maybe you got some that is not good. And I never take it with food. In the evening I dont eat anything at least 4 hours before bedtime.
 
This thread caught my interest and although my health has gotten much better over the years I'd be interested to try higher doses of melatonin. I have some persistent symptoms that just won't go away for good and I'm open to experimenting to see if something gets rid of them.

I've been taking half a sublingual 5mg pill per night (so roughly 2.5mg) and that pretty much knocks me out within 20 minutes. Holding a conversation becomes a challenge, so does doing anything other than lying down and drifting off. If the recommendation is to start at 10mg at 3pm and build it up to 30mg per day, and then go up to 50mg per dose, then how does one manage to still keep their eyes open to take later doses?

That said, I noticed that if I take too much it makes me extremely drowsy but I struggle to fall and stay asleep. But the most I've ever taken was 6mg, I'm really not sure if 150mg would allow me to stay awake.

If anyone here tries it, I'd be interested to learn how the body responds to such doses. I'm normally at work at 3pm and I don't get home until 6-7pm so the only time I could try this is a holiday - which won't be until Easter. My only option would be starting to take it from 6pm onwards but I still fear I'd just sleep through the time for the next dose.
 
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It seems to point to evening/night time dosage of melatonin, except in shift workers where the circadian rhythm might need to be manipulated with artificial light/darkness exposure+ melatonin.

A common variant in MTNR1B—MTNR1B rs10830963 is associated with increased risk of type 2 diabetes, increased fasting plasma glucose levels and impaired early insulin secretion (177, 178). Moreover, late dinner, associated with elevated melatonin concentrations (as in night shift workers, above), impaired glucose tolerance in “gain of function” MTNR1B risk allele carriers but not in non-carriers. These data suggest that circulating melatonin is related to the development of Type 2 Diabetes, in a deleterious sense. Of course sleep restriction is also associated with impaired glucose tolerance, increased risk of metabolic syndrome and/or diabetes (179, 180). So that the usefulness of melatonin to address sleep problems may well increase risk of metabolic abnormalities.

This issue of the circadian rhythm and the relationship between melatonin and insuline resistance got me interested after reading in FoundMyFitness report that I have specific variants of MTNRB1 and MTNR1A genes that are rather problematic in this regard. The insulin resistance issue wasn't really surprising, considering that I have diabetes type 1 and 2 in my family on my mother's side. What was really surprising is learning about the role melatonin plays in all this.

I still need to do further research on the topic, but what I was able to gather so far, that it is a very good thing that I stopped doing night shifts. Apparently sleepless nights are more detrimental while having this MTNR1A variant. And I am indeed a very light sleeper, and need to take definite steps toward minimizing exposire to blue light in night time.

Another issue with MTNR1B rs10830963 that, as the above quote indicates, eating (particularly carbs) after sunset is not a good idea. Neither eating early breakfast. And while not eating breakfast was never a problem for me, evening eating is something I often practice. :-[ I do practice intermittent fasting, at least twice a week, but right now it usually means that I don't eat until 16 pm and then eat all evening up to a time I need to go to sleep.

It seems that in this case what would be ideal is having an eating window of 11 am - 19 pm with two meals, or a big meal and snacks per day, and the rest is fasting. Well, something to work on! 😅 Especially considering the family history.


So I am attaching two screenshots from the report that have the explanation about the gene variants, and also here are two links to FMF clips about it. The first video was actually linked to in the report and starts at the specific point when they talk about melatonin. But the rest of the talk is also interesting.




According to "Melatonin and melatonin-progestin combinations alter pituitary-ovarian function in women and can inhibit ovulation" (1995), there were no side effects with 300mg of melatonin per day, except that it inhibited ovarian function and can thus be considered along with a progesterone-like molecule for contraception.

That's another issue that I am dealing with and researching right now. Funny how melatonin appears to rule and influence a lot of things in our life!

And while reading about it I found the following report, that appears to be quite comprehensive: "Light Exposure, Melatonin Secretion, and Menstrual Cycle Parameters: An Integrative Review"
 

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Ark and I experimented for about a week. We found that taking it AFTER dark was best, so it was 3 doses of 30 mg at 6, 8 and 10, and then bed. It sure did something, but we stopped because it seemed to be affecting our day functioning. Like, I was incredibly sleepy and slow... I'll wait until we have some of the powder to experiment again. Maybe higher doses aren't so tiring?

One thing I CAN say, I now go to sleep MUCH faster and easier and don't have the problem with ruminating at night, and I AM sleeping more than I did before the experiment, which is a blessing.
 
For about a week I experimented with melatonin by taking 10 -15 mg late in the evening. So, my sleep improved considerably taking in the account the fact that I'm working during the night sometimes (now less than a couple of months ago) I had really a hard time to sleep during the night thus being stressed and feeling like a zombie sometimes. Another thing I've noticed is that finally I can remember my dreams, that's a good thing, I had problems remembering them for a looong time. During the day I'm feeling good, calm, full of energy, more focused at my daily tasks... So yes I agree there is definitely something about melatonin, I'm curious in trying to experiment by taking 20 mg daily for a couple of weeks and see how it will go. I have the "feeling" that the melatonin is the right "antidote" i was looking for for a long time against the "obstructions" in my brain let's say. Will see how it goes. :cool2:
 
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