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Jedi
I don't know if this topic is elsewhere, but I thought it would be a good place put it. One of the things that I found was extremely interesting about ancient history, is the fact that ancient geology was very different. This fact is not talked about very much and I think it could really make sense of a lot of ancient myths and legends.
Here's an example, I was surprised to learn about the existence of Doggerland.
From Wikipedia: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland
I'm not sure if anyone else has heard of this before, but to me this information is not very common. What kind of impact does this have on myths and legends. I could be wrong, I will have to check, but I think a flood was reported in the Oera Linda Book. Doggerland would be in the area that that book was written about.
I was also surprised to learn about "THE LATE GLACIAL GREAT FLOOD IN THE PONTO-CASPIAN BASIN"
The info can be read here _http://paleogeo.org/flood_en.html
What this is is a flood caused by glacial melt the expanded the Caspian Sea and connected it to the Black Sea.
From Cléirigh, Micheál Ó, Robert Alexander Stewart Macalister, and Eoin Mac Neil. Leabhar Gabhála: The Book of Conquest of Ireland. (Dublin: Hodges, Figgis, 1916)
The name of the heroine in this story is Cesair, which is also the Irish word for Caesar, which is similar to Khazar, which was what the Turkic people called the Caspian Sea, the Khazar Sea, which was also called Daryā-i Xazar by the Persians, which was named for the Caspi (Khazar) peoples who occupied the Caspian Sea region.
Normally, under current geography, it would seem ridiculous to say that a group rowed from the Caspian Sea, to the Cimmerian Sea (possibly a name for the Black Sea) to the Mediterranean (The Tyrrhenian Sea is near Italy) in a boat. But it makes more sense when you realize that all those bodies of water were connected at one time.
Another thing I didn't know about was that there was once a Pannonian Sea in what is now the Pannonian Plain in Central Europe. The Wikipedia article [_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Sea] says that "Its last remains disappeared in the middle of Pleistocene Epoch, about 600,000 years ago." However, this article says that it remained as a lake at the end of the Upper Pleistocene.
Here is the article: _http://geolib.geo.auth.gr/digeo/index.php/sasg/article/viewFile/7588/7345
Could this be a possible explaination of the "northern islands of Greece" from the Leabhar Gabhála: The Book of Conquest of Ireland.
In current geography, there are no northern islands of Greece, there are southern islands and the northern mainland, but if there was a Pannonian Lake, at that time, with islands, then those would be islands in the north of Greece. But they also maybe talking about a different Greece than the Meditereannian Greece. The Irish tales also mention "Greeks of Scythia".
I don't know, but I haven't heard of these things before and they are not commonly talked about. Its like I found an artifact and I don't know what it is, but I know its gotta be important to someone.
Here's an example, I was surprised to learn about the existence of Doggerland.
From Wikipedia: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland
Doggerland is a name given by archaeologists and geologists to a former landmass in the southern North Sea that connected the island of Great Britain to mainland Europe during and after the last Ice Age, surviving until about 6,500 or 6,200 BCE and then gradually being flooded by rising sea levels. Geological surveys have suggested that Doggerland was a large area of dry land that stretched from Britain's east coast across to the present coast of the Netherlands and the western coasts of Germany and Denmark.[2] Doggerland was probably a rich habitat with human habitation in the Mesolithic period.[3]
The archaeological potential of the area had first been discussed in the early 20th century, but interest intensified in 1931 when a commercial trawler operating between the sandbanks and shipping hazards of the Leman Bank and Ower Bank east of the Wash dragged up a barbed antler point that dated to a time when the area was tundra. Later vessels have dragged up mammoth and lion remains, among other remains of land animals, and small numbers of prehistoric tools and weapons that were used by the region's inhabitants.
I'm not sure if anyone else has heard of this before, but to me this information is not very common. What kind of impact does this have on myths and legends. I could be wrong, I will have to check, but I think a flood was reported in the Oera Linda Book. Doggerland would be in the area that that book was written about.
I was also surprised to learn about "THE LATE GLACIAL GREAT FLOOD IN THE PONTO-CASPIAN BASIN"
The info can be read here _http://paleogeo.org/flood_en.html
What this is is a flood caused by glacial melt the expanded the Caspian Sea and connected it to the Black Sea.
Under "Flood" we understand the epoch of the Late Glacial inundation within the Ponto-Caspian basin at ~17 to 10 ka BP (with the maximum at 17-14 ka BP).
From Cléirigh, Micheál Ó, Robert Alexander Stewart Macalister, and Eoin Mac Neil. Leabhar Gabhála: The Book of Conquest of Ireland. (Dublin: Hodges, Figgis, 1916)
Three men and fifty maidens went in that ship with Cesair. On Tuesday, so far as regards the day of the week, they went therein. Then they rowed from Meroe Island, a-fleeing from the flood, to the Tyrrhene Sea. Eighteen days they had on the Caspian Sea. Twenty days thence till they reached the Cimmerian Sea. One day till they reached Asia Minor, between Syria and the Tyrrhene Sea. Twenty days they had thence to the Alps. Eighteen days from the Alps to Spain. Nine days from Spain to Ireland. A Saturday they reached Ireland, in the fifteenth day of the moon; and the place where they took harbour was at Dun na mBarc in Corco Duibhne.
The name of the heroine in this story is Cesair, which is also the Irish word for Caesar, which is similar to Khazar, which was what the Turkic people called the Caspian Sea, the Khazar Sea, which was also called Daryā-i Xazar by the Persians, which was named for the Caspi (Khazar) peoples who occupied the Caspian Sea region.
Normally, under current geography, it would seem ridiculous to say that a group rowed from the Caspian Sea, to the Cimmerian Sea (possibly a name for the Black Sea) to the Mediterranean (The Tyrrhenian Sea is near Italy) in a boat. But it makes more sense when you realize that all those bodies of water were connected at one time.
Another thing I didn't know about was that there was once a Pannonian Sea in what is now the Pannonian Plain in Central Europe. The Wikipedia article [_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Sea] says that "Its last remains disappeared in the middle of Pleistocene Epoch, about 600,000 years ago." However, this article says that it remained as a lake at the end of the Upper Pleistocene.
Here is the article: _http://geolib.geo.auth.gr/digeo/index.php/sasg/article/viewFile/7588/7345
Abstract: The new studies on the southeastern part of the Pannonian Depression confirm our idea con- cerning the existence in this basin of a lake with its shores around +100 m in the Uppermost Pleistocene (the Relict Pannonian Lake, Belgrade – 2006). A morphologic peculiarity placed in the Cazanele Mici area seems to have been permitted the maintaining of the shores for some time at this elevation. The Relict Pannonian Lake could be the direct successor of the Middle Pleistocene Lake made evident as a paleogeographical reality by the Serbian scientists (Beograde, 2006) in the southeastern part of the Pan- nonian Basin. The severe restriction of the surface of this lake has taken place at the beginning of the Holocene, as a result of the mega-floods, which mark the boundary between the Pleistocene and the Holocene. Therefore, a successor of the Relict Pannonian Lake seems to have maintained for some time in the Lower Holocene with its shore around the +85 m elevation. This perspective confirms the idea of some geomorphology researchers, which accepted a gradual retirement of the Pannonian Lake in Qua- ternary, associated with a succession of shorelines. In this case, the finalization of the stream system of the Danube, as a unitary river, has very recently happened (in Upper Holocene). In addition a possible connection between a stream system tributary to the Black Sea and another one tributary to the Panno- nian area along the actual Danube Gorge could be realized only in the Greben zone (most probably dur- ing the Pasadenian phase). The existence of the Relict Pannonian Lake at the end of the Upper Pleisto- cene seems to be confirmed by the altitude of the all pre-historical sites in the Pannonian area. In addi- tion, important data of mythical paleogeography are consistent with all these possible paleogeographical realities of the Pannonian area.
Could this be a possible explaination of the "northern islands of Greece" from the Leabhar Gabhála: The Book of Conquest of Ireland.
These are the lands whither they went: Semeon with his nine to the lands of Greece; lobath son of Beothach with his people to the northern islands of Greece—he had gone after the death of his father to Ireland; Briotan and his father Ferghus Redside to Mon Conain in Wales.
In current geography, there are no northern islands of Greece, there are southern islands and the northern mainland, but if there was a Pannonian Lake, at that time, with islands, then those would be islands in the north of Greece. But they also maybe talking about a different Greece than the Meditereannian Greece. The Irish tales also mention "Greeks of Scythia".
I don't know, but I haven't heard of these things before and they are not commonly talked about. Its like I found an artifact and I don't know what it is, but I know its gotta be important to someone.