History of Russia - История России

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thorbiorn said:
Indeed, because in the post there was this:
Quote from: _http://www.perunica.ru/vedi/579-pticy-v-slavyanskoj-mifologii.html
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A bird in the Slavic mythology occupies a special and very important place. The Supreme deity of the Race – the beginning of all beginnings, in his earthly incarnation, took the image of a gray duck, which was his symbol and carrier of his power. This duck laid two eggs – Yav and NAV – the embodiment of good and evil, life and death... passed down from the depths of time the images of birds are very diverse, due to vast territories inhabited by Slavic peoples.
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Good catch! I didn't have this quote in mind, was just looking for "Etruscan bird" in Google and found these images. There might indeed be a connection though the question is how widespread the symbology of duck/female in other cultures is. It might be just a coincidence, though.

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The winged image on the ceramic sculpture of the duck resembles an angle, which certainly then did not arrive with the introduction of Christianity; rather it seems that previously perceived or imagined winged beings, became categorized as angles? Or is the winged being rather a symbol or description of a free or freed soul?

We can only speculate but here is what the website says where I took these images:

In addition to a richly embellished pattern of stylized wing and body feathers, the painted decoration at each side of these duck-askoi of the Clusium Group frequently shows a Lasa, a winged female divinity and companion of Turan (Aphrodite), who generally carries an alabastron (perfume vase) and its dipstick, or a long fillet (Fig. 1); or, more rarely, the same theme in appliqué; or a profile head— more often female than male (Fig. 2). Some duck askoi bear no figural theme nor profile head.
 

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On the theme of Avian Lords, there is this from page 69 of Mircea Eliade. (1992). Shamanism, Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy. Princeton: Princeton University Press
The gods created man, and he lived happily until the time when the evil spirits spread sickness and death over the earth. The gods decided to give mankind a shaman to combat disease and death, and they sent the eagle. But men did not understand its language; besides, they had no confidence in a mere bird. The eagle returned to the gods and asked them to give him the gift of speech, or else to send a Buryat shaman to men. The gods sent him back with an order to grant the gift of shamanizing to the first person he should meet on earth. Returned to earth, the eagle saw a woman asleep under a tree, and had intercourse with her. Some time later the woman gave birth to a son, who became the “first shaman.” According to another variant, the woman, after her connection with the eagle, saw spirits and herself became a shamaness.7
This is why, in other legends, the appearance of an eagle is interpreted as a sign of shamanic vocation. The story is told that a Buryat girl, on seeing an eagle carrying off sheep, understood the sign and was obliged to become a shamaness. Her initiation lasted seven years and after her death, having become a sayan (“spirit,” “idol”), she continued to protect children from evil spirits.
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The Buryats are a Mongolian people: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buryats One could claim that the above legend has no relevance to Shamanism practiced by other people. However, just like today Buddhism is growing among Buryats, so there may have been forms of Shamanism similar to that practiced in the Buryat culture among other peoples of Northern Eurasia prior to the advent of more organized religion.
 

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In this thread https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,38314.msg728210.html#msg728210 I wrote about the claim among some researchers that Peter 1 went to Holland and that the person who came back as someone else: I came across another two other videos:
Как выглядел настоящий Пётр I Романов _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIuXC_AnlYE which has a lot of pictures of Peter 1 and
ЖЕЛЕЗНАЯ МАСКА ДЛЯ ПЕТРА АЛЕКСЕЕВИЧА _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ubh_rzwRc
In the last video, one curious claim is that Peter 1 introduced grains to Russia, because before they were eating Amaranth!!! It is around minute 5-6. I wonder if I have misunderstood something, but Amaranth is native to Middle America. Probably this indicates the people who put together these videos do not check much, but want to blame everything on the Peter that came back. Later, there is also a biographer who has done independent research and asks many question. He proposes that the real Peter was kept in prison.

The mystery that surrounded Peter 1 is like a criminal case, at the same time the videos give some information that supports the idea that western powers have had strong ambitions and firm actions trying to dominate Russia.

The historical conflict or rivalry with western elites is also reflected in the Ren TV production about the future of Russia Предсказания на 2018 год для России! Слабонервным не смотреть! _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc-mv7BuZpI In it they have found some new sources like the translators and assistants of Baba Vanga, a descendant/grandchild of Rasputin, a Swiss meteorologist who thinks it is time to think about eternity, family and friends, a Russian meteorologist, an Egyptian clairvoyant, a Finnish astrologer, a Mexican shaman, a Russian dream prophet and others. The beginning is like watching Sott Earth Change video, however it is only from Russia, and the idea is to indicate more of the same is expected. Somewhere in the 80 minute film, there is a section about soccer, cars, military equipment etc, so it is a mixed bag.


В этой теме https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,38314.msg728210.html#msg728210 Я писал о претензиях среди некоторых исследователей, что Петр 1 уехал в Голландию и что человек, вернувшийся как кто-то другой: наткнулся на еще два других видео:
Выглядел Как настоящий Пётр я Романов _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=DIuXC_AnlYE, который имеет много фотографий Петра 1 и
ЖЕЛЕЗНАЯ МАСКА ДЛЯ ПЕТРА АЛЕКСЕЕВИЧА _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=P8ubh_rzwRc
В последнем видео, одно любопытное утверждение, что Петр 1 ввел зерно в Россию, потому что прежде чем они ели Amaranth!!! Это примерно минут 5-6. Интересно, я что-то неправильно понял, но Амарант родом из Средней Америки. Наверное, это указывает на людей, которые собрали эти видео не проверяют много, хотят свалить все на Петра, который вернулся. Позже, есть также биограф, который сделал независимые исследования и задает много вопросов. Он предлагает, чтобы настоящего Петра содержали в тюрьме.

Тайна, которая окружала Петра 1, похожа на уголовное дело, в то же время видеозаписи дают некоторую информацию, подтверждающую мысль о том, что у западных держав были сильные амбиции и твердые действия, пытающиеся доминировать в России.

Исторический конфликт или соперничество с западными элитами тоже находят отражение в производстве Рен ТВ о будущем России Предсказания на 2018 год для России! Слабонервным не смотреть! _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=УЦ-mv7BuZpI в нем они нашли новые источники, такие как переводчики и помощники бабы Ванги, потомку/потомок Распутина, Швейцарский метеоролог, который думает, что пора думать о вечном, семья и друзья, русский метеоролог, Египетский ясновидящий, финский астролог, Мексиканский шаман, а мечта русского пророка и другие. Начало все равно, что смотреть видео изменения Sott Earth, однако это только из России, и идея, чтобы показать больше того же ожидается. Где-то в 80-минутный фильм, там есть раздел про футбол, автомобили, военная техника и т. д., поэтому он является смешанным мешок.
 

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Russian history, OMG, it is heavy.

In Ukraine, during the ongoing conflict, Kiev had some punitive batallions, especially in the beginning, that were behind the front line and made sure that nobody turned back or deserted. This was of course also practiced druing WW2, where more than 150.000 Russian soldiers died that way: Истребительные отряды НКВД!!! Destructive forces of the Murder NKVD: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWz4rNl6PfY which also has several interviews that illustrate the complicated situation in Ukraine during WW2, which then continued later.

It has been reported from mostly German and Western sources that many acts of violence took place on the eastern front against civilian female Germans at the end of the war. In the following video, a former military officer, a later artist and writer, Leonid Rabichev, explains the situation, I think very honestly.
Русский ветеран: Мы насиловали и убивали немок Это война была жестокой для всех _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b9fFFhKwAg
In the beginning it reads: "Моя Великая война, Леонид Рабичев рассказы не вошедшие в фильм" Which implies he has given more interviews, but that these parts were not included. About his life before and after the war: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybQHpT8j6II

Finally, I encounted a dokumentary about how Marshal Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov, the Russian military leader who took Berlin, after the war was sent to Odessa, and how he handled the organized crime in the city. It describes a situation where the crime is so rampant that the ordinary police could not manage it.

Below a Yandex translation:
Российская история, ОМГ, тяжелая.

На Украине во время продолжающегося конфликта в Киеве были несколько карательных батальонов, особенно в начале, которые находились за линией фронта и следили за тем, чтобы никто не повернулся назад или не дезертировал. Это, конечно, тоже практикуется в 2МВ, где более 150.000 русских солдат умер таким образом: Истребительные отряды НКВД!!! Разрушительные силы убийства НКВД: _https://www.Youtube.com / watch?v = BWz4rNl6PfY, который также имеет несколько интервью, которые иллюстрируют сложную ситуацию в Украине во время Второй мировой войны, которая затем продолжалась позже.

По сообщениям, поступившим в основном из немецких и западных источников, многие акты насилия имели место на восточном фронте в отношении гражданских немцев в конце войны.
Русский ветеран: Мы насиловали и убивали немок Это война была жестокой для всех _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=8b9fFFhKwAg
В начале он читает: "Моя Великая война, Леонид Рабичев рассказы не вошедшие в фильм", который подразумевает, что он дал больше интервью.

Наконец, я изложил документальный фильм о том, как маршал Георгий Константинович Жуков, российский военачальник, взявший Берлин после войны, был отправлен в Одессу, и как он занимался организованной преступностью в городе. В нем описывается ситуация, когда преступление настолько разгуливает, что обычная полиция не смогла справиться с ним.
 

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Here's a Russian documentary with English subtitles, "Yes, Scythians Are Us!"

In 2014 Russian TV channel Culture aired a documentary, looking through depth of time, trying to decipher who are Scythians, Sarmatians, Slavs and Russians, if they are one and the same people. The conclusion was mostly positive - yes, they are. The authors looked at the data from the chronicles, archaeology, linguistics and genetics, weighing arguments both for and against. The film's conclusion is open, and in a typical Russian way advocating peace and cooperation of all peoples, whoever their ancestors may be.

The complete transcripts of the translation, as well as some additional materials can be found at my blog post: http://stanislavs.org/yes-scythians-are-us-documentary-with-engsubs/


https://youtu.be/ZfmeLVVtR0A

Basically it says:

- They're the oldest people in Earth
- Aryans, Scythians, Slavs, Russians - they all have the same genetic line/haplogroup R1a
- It shows commonalities between Scythians and Slavs in their traditions.
- It also draws similarities with Medieval Knights and European physical appearance.
 

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Thank you for sharing, Gaby!

It's especially interesting in the context of C's remark from the last session:

A: Unfortunately, since most Caucasians are related to Russian forebears, this is a dangerous and delusional undertaking.

I assume that by Caucasians C's mean Caucasian race. From Wikipedia:

The Caucasian race (also Caucasoid,[1] or Europid)[2] is a grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon, which, depending on which of the historical race classifications used, have usually included some or all of the ancient and modern populations of Europe, the Caucasus, Asia Minor, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.[3]
 

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At the present stage, many people want to call all the peoples living in Russia Russians.
But people of Slavic origin, often blond, have always identified themselves as Russians in Russia. They do not consider the other peoples of the Russian Federation to be Russians.
 

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Мне кажется, если уж и начинать говорить об истории России, надо начать не с Тартарии, а с Гипербореи...

I think if we start talking about the history of Russia, it is necessary to begin not with Tartary, and Hyperborea...
Гиперборея, по моему мнению, это скорее 4-я плотность, чем историческое место на Земле. И "Боги" скандинавской (белокурой) внешности прилетали оттуда))

Hyperborea, in my opinion, is more a 4D than a historical place on Earth. And Scandinavian (blond) appearance "Gods" flew from there))
 

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Gaby said:
Here's a Russian documentary with English subtitles, "Yes, Scythians Are Us!"

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Basically it says:

- They're the oldest people in Earth
- Aryans, Scythians, Slavs, Russians - they all have the same genetic line/haplogroup R1a
- It shows commonalities between Scythians and Slavs in their traditions.
- It also draws similarities with Medieval Knights and European physical appearance.
Thank you for sharing, it is all very interesting. On this page _https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml one can find maps of the distributions for various types of R1a: For example:
R1a_migration_map.jpg
 

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thorbiorn said:
Thank you for sharing, it is all very interesting. On this page _https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml one can find maps of the distributions for various types of R1a: For example:
R1a_migration_map.jpg

This link didn't work (access denied). Here is a working link to the map:

R1a_migration_map.jpg
 

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After writing this post, Session 9 December 2017 where I linked to a Russian video with a map with locations in Northern Germany and also presents links to the history of ancient Russia, I found some videos in Russian, that put ancient Slavic/ancient Russian influences in Germany on the map in still more details like:
Сидоров Г.А. Славянская Германия (Часть 1 Почему немцы такие воинственные) which comments on Schwartz Wald
Сидоров Г.А. Славянская Германия (Часть 2 Шверин. Битвы с крестоносцами) which comments on the Slavic ruler Niklot and
Славянская Германия. Часть 3. Аркона - русский Ватикан
Looking for more sources I found a book "Славянское завоевание мира" by Глеб Носовский, Анатолий Фоменко. Из серии: Новая хронология для всех Анатолий Фоменко и Глеб Носовский – серия книг Новая хронология для всех – скачать по порядку в fb2 или читать онлайн
As ebook, it is very cheap, less than 3 Euro. In the book they analyze some sources on the history of Eurasia often considered irrelevant or even suppressed, like medieval Scandinavian geographers and the work of Mavro Orbini, from around 1600. The book by Orbini is written in Italian and has at least been translated into a Slavic language (Published in Beograd in 1968) https://dzonson.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/mavro-orbin-kraljevstvo-slovena.pdf
While Fomenko and Nosovsky include some sources, my impression is they also overlook some others like archaeological finds. They often use analysis of words. Here are a couple of excepts about the origin of the Swedes and Scandinavians, connecting them to the East
From 191 of 227 in pdf
1.27. Швеция = Малая Свитьод Скандинавы употребляли следующие синонимы: ШВЕЦИЯ =*= МАЛАЯ СВИТЬОД [523], с. 217. То есть Малая Святая. Напомним, что ВЕЛИКОЙ СВИТЬОД, то есть Великой Святой, скандинавы называли Русь. Не вытекает ли отсюда, что Швеция =*= Малая Свитьод была заселена из Древней Руси?
По-видимому, именно это и утверждают скандинавские тексты, говоря, что Скифия была заселена из Азии, см. выше. А затем ИЗ СКИФИИ, по их же словам, были заселены уже скандинавские страны. След этого славянского заселения и остался в названии Швеции как МАЛАЯ СВИТЬОД.
They basically argue that Scythian tribes settled in Scandinavia. About the word Scandinavia they write page 192 of 227 in the pdf:
Как мы уже говорили, слово СКИФИЯ писалось и звучало несколькими слегка разными способами. Среди которых наиболее распространенным был следующий: SCITHIA, то есть звучавший без огласовок как СКТ или как СКД. Поэтому выскажем следующую мысль.
Заселив северные страны, скифы «монголы» = великие, вполне могли назвать их СКИФИЕЙ НОВОЙ, то есть СКД-НОВА. Но при прочтении вслух сочетание СКДНОВА мгновенно озвучивается как СКАНДИНАВИЯ! Так могло возникнуть название СКАНДИНАВИИ = СКИФИИ НОВОЙ.
And they continue:
Причем таких «Новых Скифий», вероятно, было несколько. Все мы знаем о существовании до настоящего времени на территории России области АСКАНИЯ НОВА около современной Астрахани. Кстати, название АСТРАХАНЬ произошло, вероятно, от словосочетания Азиатский Татарский Хан, то есть АС+ТР+ХАН.
Не есть ли эта АСКАНИЯ НОВА тоже остаток одной из «новых Скифий», возникавших в процессе разрастания «Монгольской» = Великой Империи и завоевания ею все НОВЫХ И НОВЫХ ОБЛАСТЕЙ? Потом частично утраченных.
Еще одно замечание. Не исключено, что СКАНИЯ означало также АС-КАНИЯ или АС-ХАНИЯ, то есть Азиатское Ханство. В смысле царство. Тогда СКАНДИНАВИЯ могло означать: АЗИАТСКОЕ ХАНСТВО НОВОЕ.
If one asks scandinavia | Origin and meaning of scandinavia by Online Etymology Dictionary then
Scandinavia
1765, from Late Latin Scandinavia, Skandinovia, a mistake for Scadinavia, from a Germanic source (compare Old English Scedenig, Old Norse Skaney "south end of Sweden"), from Proto-Germanic *skadinaujo "Scadia island," first element of uncertain origin, second element from *aujo "thing on the water," from PIE root *akwā- "water" (see aqua-). It might truly have been an island when the word was formed; the coastlines of the Baltic Sea has changed dramatically since the end of the Ice Ages.
This dictionary claims "Scadia" is of uncertain origin, and this is where the speculations of Nosovsky and Fomenko enters the field. But then the Wiki also says:
"Before this time, the term "Scandinavia" was familiar mainly to classical scholars through Pliny the Elder's writings and was used vaguely for Scania and the southern region of the peninsula.[7]"
Perhaps Nosovsky and Fomenko are closer to the truth than some may expect, or in this day of modern politics even wish to acknowledge.
 
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