History of Russia - История России

[thorbiorn]

Russian history has surprises, at least I, did not know too much the history of Tartaria, which went before the modern Russia of the last few hundred years.
I found a couple of videos about the subject which unfortunately are in Russian, so I need to put them in the Russian Forum :)
В.В. Путин рассекретил архивы древней Тартарии and more here
Великая Тартария только факты 1-3
Что прикрыли татаро-монгольским игом?
I haven't seen all of it but so far a few bits here and there. In the last few minutes of the last video they name a Russian historian whose opinion was that a three German historians in the 17th centrury created myths about Russian hsitory that have continued into the present.

 

[thorbiorn]

Russian history has surprises, at least I, did not know too much the history of Tartaria, which went before the modern Russia of the last few hundred years.
I found a couple of videos about the subject which unfortunately are in Russian, so I need to put them in the Russian Forum :)
В.В. Путин рассекретил архивы древней Тартарии
Великая Тартария только факты 1-3
Что прикрыли татаро-монгольским игом?
I haven't seen all of it but so far a few bits here and there. In the last few minutes of the last video they name a Russian historian whose opinion was that a three German historians in the 17th centrury created myths about Russian hsitory that have continued into the present.

 

[history0488]

Понятно :D

 

[Keit]

Понятно :D

Здравствуйте, history0488!

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[azamat7r]

Я Русский Оккупант / I'm a Russian Occupant
https://youtu.be/T65SwzHAbes?list=RD4c3F-KlM8ik

 

[Roman]

Мне кажется, если уж и начинать говорить об истории России, надо начать не с Тартарии, а с Гипербореи...

I think if we start talking about the history of Russia, it is necessary to begin not with Tartary, and Hyperborea...

 

[thorbiorn]

In this thread https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,4277.msg728165.html#msg728165 I gave some links to about the old Russian calender, which was abolished by Peter the Great in 7208 after the treaty of peace or in the year 1700. In the following video _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sb2B7h2npM in Russian both the origin of the old calendar, and the coming of the new are explained minute: 1:38-4:00 The story is that at the huge coolings in 11008 B.C the Slavo-Aryan had to flee to Europe. this situation was utilized by Chinese/mongolian peoples who moved north. When the people that had fled wanted to go back, wars ensued that only ended in 5508 B.C. The video says that the image of Saint George slaying the Dragon was image co-opted by Christian, but actually is a memory of the victory over the Impire of the Dragon, that is the present China.

In the above video there is a lot of evidence to show that when Peter I, went to Europe, he was exchanged for someone else. It is hard to believe, but isn't that the result of the analysis? It is a shocking realization.

More on this story about Peter:
"Шокирующие гипотезы(2016) .Пётр I .А царь то не настоящий" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvVP879TTw
Петр 1 был подменен на Западе своим ставленником. Часть 1 _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9nizlHX_bM
ПЕТРА ПЕРВОГО ПОДМЕНИЛИ ! _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLy3lhy04E
Петр 1. Подмена царя _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jUTNGJug7s

The history of the war with Napoleon in 1812 is well known, but is it true? The evidence suggests an alliance between Alexander 1 and Napoleon 1 and that the enemy were bearded soldiers of mixed coloured uniforms. The following links are just
"Неудобные артефакты войны 1812 года" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSYCQXH6s_4
"С кем воевал Наполеон в 1812 году?" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PJGJse0eVA
"Война миров 1812. Часть 1" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeJaFLK-Jd4
"Война миров 1812. Часть 2" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4gMRlr7xU

Later history is also interesting: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uu1IgCXdyw КГБ: CШA боmбили СССР, Сталина oтpaвили, Горбачев aгент ЦPY One retired KGB claims that 103 US planes bombed USSR bases in the far east in 1950.

В видео выше есть много доказательств, чтобы показать, что, когда Петр I отправился в Европу, он был обменян на кого-то другого. Трудно поверить, но разве это не результат анализа? Это шокирующий реализации.

Into Russian after a machine translation:
В этой теме https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,4277.msg728165.сообщение: msg728165 я дал некоторые ссылки на о древнерусский календарь, который был отменен Петром I или Петр Первый в 7208 после мирного договора или в 1700 году. В следующем видео _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=0sb2B7h2npM на русском языке как происхождение старого календаря, и приход нового объясняются минуты: 1:38-4:00 истории в том, что на огромной охлаждение в Б. 11008 с Славяно-арийские пришлось бежать в Европу. эта ситуация была использована китайский/монгольский народы, которые двинулись на север. Когда люди, бежавшие хотел вернуться, войн последовало, закончилась только в 5508 г. до н. э. в видео говорится, что изображение Святого Георгия, поражающего Дракона изображения кооптирован христианин, но на самом деле это память о победе над Империи Дракона, который в настоящее время Китай.
Подробнее об этой истории о Петре:
"Шокирующие гипотезы(2016) .Пётр Я .А царь то не настоящий" _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=7MvVP879TTw
Петр 1 был подменен на Западе своим ставленником. Часть 1 _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=m9nizlHX_bM
ПЕТРА ПЕРВОГО ПОДМЕНИЛИ ! _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=PxLy3lhy04E
Петр 1. Подмена царя _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=7jUTNGJug7s

История войны с Наполеоном в 1812 году, хорошо известно, но это правда? Факты говорят о союзе между Александром 1 и Наполеоном 1 и что у противника были бородатыми бойцами смешанного цвета униформы. Следующие ссылки являются просто
"Неудобные артефакты войны 1812 года" _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=JSYCQXH6s_4
"С кем воевал Наполеон в 1812 году?" _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=8PJGJse0eVA
"Война миров 1812. Часть 1" _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=xeJaFLK-Jd4
"Война миров 1812. Часть 2" _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=-B4gMRlr7xU

Позже история тоже интересная: _https://ВСП.на YouTube.ком/смотреть?в=3Uu1IgCXdyw КГБ: боmбили CШA СССР, Сталина oтpaвили, Горбачев aгент ЦPY один пенсионер КГБ утверждает, что 103 самолеты США бомбили базы СССР на Дальнем Востоке в 1950 году.

 

[Altair]

In this thread https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,4277.msg728165.html#msg728165 I gave some links to about the old Russian calender, which was abolished by Peter the Great in 7208 after the treaty of peace or in the year 1700. In the following video _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sb2B7h2npM in Russian both the origin of the old calendar, and the coming of the new are explained minute: 1:38-4:00 The story is that at the huge coolings in 11008 B.C the Slavo-Aryan had to flee to Europe. this situation was utilized by Chinese/mongolian peoples who moved north. When the people that had fled wanted to go back, wars ensued that only ended in 5508 B.C. The video says that the image of Saint George slaying the Dragon was image co-opted by Christian, but actually is a memory of the victory over the Impire of the Dragon, that is the present China.

Interesting. There are also theories among some Russian researchers that Slavs are descendants of Hyperoboreans who lived "beyond the North Wind" and that their land was located in the northern Siberia up to Arctic which allegedly had more temperate climate back then. In the video it is claimed that Venice in Italy was founded by Slavs (who fled to Europe because of the global cooling?) Besides there is a book by Fomenko and Nosovsky "Эт-руски. Загадка, которую не хотят разгадать" (it's not translated into English, free translation of the title: "Et-ruscans. The riddle that they don't want to be solved") in which the authors claim that etruscan incriptions (which allegedly still unreadable) CAN be read if one applies old-slavic language. He refers to the works of Sebastiano Ciampi
(Osservazioni intorno ai moderni sistemi sulle antichitla Etrusche (con alcune idee sull'origine, uso, antichitla de'vasi dipinti volgarmente chiamati etruschi)., 1824) and researchers Volansky (Воланский) and Chertovsky (Чертовский). It's interesting in the context of the following quotes:

June 21, 1997

Q: Change of subject: I am tracking the clues through the various languages and alphabets. I would like to know which of these alphabets, Runic, Greek, or Etruscan, preceded the others, and from which the others are derived?

A: Etruscan.

Q: Well, who were the Etruscans?

A: Templar carriers.

Q: What does that mean?

A: Seek and ye shall find.

Q: Well, how am I supposed to do that? I can't find anything else on the Etruscans!

A: No.

Q: What do you mean 'no?' You mean there is more out there on the Etruscans?

A: Yes.

Q: Okay. What are Templar carriers?

A: Penitent Avian Lords.

Q: What does that mean?

A: For your search. All is drawn from some more ancient form.

February 19, 2000

Q: I didn't think so. Okay, in this book it says: Diodorus Siculus, writing in the 1st century B.C., said that "certain sacred offerings wrapped in wheat straw come from the Hyperboreans into Scythia, whence they are taken over by the neighboring peoples in succession until they get as far west as the Adriatic. From there they are sent south, and the first Greeks to receive them are the Dodonaeans. Then, continuing southward, they reach the Malian gulf, cross to Euboea, and are passed on from town to town as far as Carystus. Then they skp Andros, the Carystians take them to Tenos, and the Tenians to Delos. That is how these things are said to reach Delos at the present time." So, from very ancient times, there was this practice of the Hyperboreans sending sacred offerings to the Island of Delos. Now, the Island of Delos is supposedly the birthplace of Phoebus Apollo, whose mother was Leto. Supposedly he was born on Mt. Cynthus. This is a very curious thing. This is contrary to the old view that the cultural flow was from the Mediterranean to the North, that civilization began in the Near East. It implies a cultural flow from the North to the South. What were these ancient Hyperboreans sending to the Island of Delos?

A: Leaves bearing cryptic codes.

Q: What was the connection between the Hyperboreans, including the Celts of Britain, I believe, and the people of Delos?

A: Northern peoples were responsible for civilising the Meditteranean/Adriatic peoples with the encoded secrets contained within their superior extra-terrestrially based genetic arrangement. Practice of which you speak was multi-trans-generational habit.

Q: (L) Okay, I am really curious to discover something about the ancient legend of the Hyperboreans?

A: There is a masking there. It is an incorrect description.

Q: (L) What do you mean? There was a race supposedly called the Hyperboreans...

A: That is a masking.

Q: (L) What is a masking?

A: A masking is an incorrect description of an historical event or condition.

Q: (L) What was the true event or condition that is masked as the Hyperboreans?

A: There have been, in your third density environment, at various points in space-time, residing on the surface of your planet, and also within its atmosphere, which structure has changed repeatedly, and, in fact, underneath the surface of your physical environment in 3rd density, a great many types of races of humans, some of whom are currently existing in your environment, and some of whom are not. And, also alternate humans. In other words, human-like 3rd density beings who could not be accurately described as humans as you know them. And, also there has been interaction with 4th density beings who pose as 3rd density beings, and 3rd density beings who have, at times in your history, have been able to temporarily and at will interact with 4th density in such a way as to present themselves as 4th density beings. So, we are describing here a virtual potpourri of history involving intelligent life within some realm or condition of your environment. To zero in on any group and give them a name at this point is not really appropriate as names connote approval, but, in fact, may merely be a stamp.

{This was probably the best info of the entire session.}

Q: (L) Okay. Is that all?

A: That's up to you.

Q: (L) The Hyperboreans were described as a race that lived in the far North, living in a tropical pocket near the North Pole surrounded by mountains of ice. They were supposedly semi-transparent and supposedly something forced them to move among other humans, and they interbred with them. The legend is that every 5th generation, following the maternal line, produces an individual of exceptional beauty and intelligence. So, it is thought in some places that people who are exceptionally beautiful and intelligent are the result of the Hyperborean genetics. Also, the Hyperboreans were supposed to be the predecessors of the Celts.

A: That is such a pleasant story! Mmmmm.

Q: (L) I liked it!

A: Unfortunately, it does not reflect fact. But, fantasy is always fun.

Geoffrey Ashe in The Ancient Wisdom as quoted in the Laura's Secret History:

[W]e are justified in reverting to Guthrie's theory of Apollo. If this god was brought to Asia Minor and thence to Greece from a Siberian birthplace, a real Land of the Hyperboreans, then he implies a northern Something which actually was there: a center of an influential species of shamanism, with Hyperborean Apollo as one of its gods. [...] If Apollo did make this journey from Siberia, the bear-goddess Artemis was probably paired with him at an early stage.

Anyway, we can only speculate at this point though we DO know that Russian history is a mess and was mostly written by German historians in the 18th century who were invited back then to Russia to work in the Russian Academy of Science:

Gerhard Friedrich Müller

MÜLLER, Gerhard Friedrich, a Russian historian, born at Herford, Westphalia, Oct. 18, 1705, died in Moscow in October, 1783. He studied at Leipsic, became in 1725 a teacher in St. Petersburg, and in 1730 was appointed professor of history. In 1733 he accompanied Gmelin and De Lisle de la Croyère to Siberia, and returned in February, 1743, having spent the interval in studying the geography and antiquities of that country. In 1747 he was appointed historiographer of the Russian empire, in 1754 secretary of the academy of sciences, in 1766 keeper of the archives at Moscow, and afterward councillor of state. He is best known by his Sammlung Russischer Geschichte (9 vols., 1732-'64). His other writings include Histoire des voyages et découvertes des Russes (2 vols., Amsterdam, 1766). He has been called the father of Russian history, wrote French, Latin, Russian, and German with equal ease, and was the first to found a literary journal in the Russian language.

Source: _https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_American_Cyclopædia_(1879)/Müller,_Gerhard_Friedrich]

Theophilus Siegfried Bayer
August Ludwig von Schlözer

 

[thorbiorn]

[...]

Interesting. There are also theories among some Russian researchers that Slavs are descendants of Hyperoboreans who lived "beyond the North Wind" and that their land was located in the northern Siberia up to Arctic which allegedly had more temperate climate back then. In the video it is claimed that Venice in Italy was founded by Slavs (who fled to Europe because of the global cooling?) Besides there is a book by Fomenko and Nosovsky "Эт-руски. Загадка, которую не хотят разгадать" (it's not translated into English, free translation of the title: "Et-ruscans. The riddle that they don't want to be solved") in which the authors claim that etruscan incriptions (which allegedly still unreadable) CAN be read if one applies old-slavic language. He refers to the works of Sebastiano Ciampi
(Osservazioni intorno ai moderni sistemi sulle antichitla Etrusche (con alcune idee sull'origine, uso, antichitla de'vasi dipinti volgarmente chiamati etruschi)., 1824) and researchers Volansky (Воланский) and Chertovsky (Чертовский).

About Fomenko, I found a webpage: _http://chronologia.org/

Etymology can be a tricky field, in the follwoing there are some suggestions about Russian etc, Etruscan and Poles

[...]The land to the east of the Urals up to the Pacific Ocean and further from the Russian North (called Lukomorie) to the Central India was called as the Land of Holy Race (3) (pronounced in Russian as Sviata Rasa). Foreigners named this country differently. One of the last foreign names of this land known in the Europe up to the end of the 18th century was "The Great Tartary" (4). According to the first edition of the British Encyclopedia of 1771 it was the greatest country of the world. Interested persons can read about this in the contemporary edition of the encyclopedia.

This empire was inhabited by Slavs, mainly Russians. At the same time, people of many other nationalities lived in its territory and had equal rights with the main population, similar to modern Russia.

The name Tartary has nothing in common with the name of Turkic tribes. When foreigners asked natives of this country who they were, the answer was: "We are children of Tarkh and Tara (5)" – a brother and a sister who, according to the belief of ancient Slavs, were guardians of Russia.

These beliefs did not appeared out of nowhere: human beings "came" to the Earth through, so-called, Star Gates (6) about forty thousand years ago. Among the star immigrants there was a small group of advanced humanoid creatures, very similar to modern man, who formed a sort of caste and were referred to by other immigrants as URs. Urs (7) had mighty abilities far beyond the imagination of the majority of "ordinary" people, who did not belong to this caste.

Urs became tutors and guides to the rest of the people. They protected an initially rather small number of settlements of "ordinary" people both from wild nature and "biped predators". Urs trained people and helped them to master primary technologies, and gave them the knowledge necessary for them at that moment as well as knowledge that would be called for only in millennia. Urs taught them and gave them into the charge of a special caste of keepers – volkhvs (8), who in due time were to convey conserved knowledge, having carried them through millennia and preserved as much of it as possible.

For this purpose those keepers-volkhvs received two runic alphabets, each of them was used by volkhvs of different levels of initiation. Those alphabets were da’Aryan and h’Aryan letters (9).

The memory of Urs, the teachers, has remained in language, for example, in the word "cult-UR-e", which means a system of moral and spiritual concepts, which were transferred by Urs to their wards, Ruses.

The two-caste system of the ancient Slavs reverberated in the names given them by their neighbours. For instance, the majority of Asian neighbours called an inhabitant of the Slavoniñ-Aryan Empire as "ur-rus", uniting the self-names of these two castes in a single word. Even now many Asian neighbours call Russians in old fashion manner, as "the Urruses".

There was a time when the names of the Slavonic tribes were formed by the addition of prefixes to the root "rus", reflecting distinctive features of these tribes of Ruses, for example, Et-rus-can, P-rus-sian. The prefix "et" before the self-name of Ruses means "elucidated Ruses" – the carriers of high cult-ur-e. The proof of their existence has been found in the north of Italy in the form of inscriptions on stones and works of art. The name of "Prussian" meant "Ruses of Perun" (10), their other self-name was Venedas (11) (bellicose tribes of western Slavs), was kept in the self-name of the territory where they lived up to the 19th-20th centuries even after the German (gothic) tribes seized this land in 9th-10th centuries A.D.

The gothic tribes destroyed the majority of Prussian-Slavs, assimilated the rest amidst them and borrowed their name. After that one of the German tribes that lived on this territory began to call themselves as "Prussians"; in the 19th century they played a key role in the merger of German tribes into a united state.

During the thousands of years of history of the Slavs, who initially had a united culture and language, the formation of self-names of the different Slavonic tribes was influenced by different factors. In the Urs’ time all Slavonic tribes have the second name "Ur-rus". After the Urs’ disappearance their functions had to be distributed between their wards, Ruses.

This led to the formation of several castes: a caste of Volkhvs, carriers of knowledge and traditions; a caste of the professional warriors, defenders from external enemies; a caste of handicraftsmen, grain-growers and cattlemen. At the top of all castes was a patrimonial aristocracy. After the Urs’ disappearance, Ruses added to the common tribal name (Rus) one or another prefix reflecting their basic type of activity (Et-rus-can, P-rus-sian). Nomadic tribes of Slavic cattlemen began to call themselves as Scots (the word "cattleman" sounds i n Russian as scot-o-vod); tribes of farmers, Polians (the word "field" is pol-e in Russian); inhabitants of woods, Drevlians (the word "tree" is derev-o, drev-o in Russian).

So much about UR in that piece that it makes one wonder about the URals :) The one about the Scots seems a bit far out, I thought Scotland was covered with forrest in ancient times. Still it is true they don't know from where the word comes: _http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Scot

It's interesting in the context of the following quotes:

June 21, 1997

Q: Change of subject: I am tracking the clues through the various languages and alphabets. I would like to know which of these alphabets, Runic, Greek, or Etruscan, preceded the others, and from which the others are derived?

A: Etruscan.

Q: Well, who were the Etruscans?

A: Templar carriers.

Q: What does that mean?

A: Seek and ye shall find.

Q: Well, how am I supposed to do that? I can't find anything else on the Etruscans!

A: No.

Q: What do you mean 'no?' You mean there is more out there on the Etruscans?

A: Yes.

Q: Okay. What are Templar carriers?

A: Penitent Avian Lords.

Q: What does that mean?

A: For your search. All is drawn from some more ancient form.

"Penitent avian lord":
There is a wiki about avian humanoids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_avian_humanoids Otherwise, I thought that an avian lord could be an eagle, king of birds, which appear in many coats of arms, like in the Russian: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Russia Where there in fact are two heads and inside a picture of St George killing the snake/or dragon. This symbol leads one back to events, the North Euroasian/Russian victory over the Asian/Chinese and Treaty of peace in the Star Temple, 5508 BC.

Then I translated "Avian lord" to Russian using Yandex: "птичий Господь" There was a list of the role of birds in many cultures: _http://www.symbolarium.ru/index.php/Птицы The following is more related to Slavic culture:

There one finds:

[...]
A bird in the Slavic mythology occupies a special and very important place. The Supreme deity of the Race – the beginning of all beginnings, in his earthly incarnation, took the image of a gray duck, which was his symbol and carrier of his power. This duck laid two eggs – Yav and NAV – the embodiment of good and evil, life and death... passed down from the depths of time the images of birds are very diverse, due to vast territories inhabited by Slavic peoples.
[...]

There are many different birds, and probably the stories are different in different areas.

February 19, 2000

Q: I didn't think so. Okay, in this book it says: Diodorus Siculus, writing in the 1st century B.C., said that "certain sacred offerings wrapped in wheat straw come from the Hyperboreans into Scythia, whence they are taken over by the neighboring peoples in succession until they get as far west as the Adriatic. From there they are sent south, and the first Greeks to receive them are the Dodonaeans. Then, continuing southward, they reach the Malian gulf, cross to Euboea, and are passed on from town to town as far as Carystus. Then they skp Andros, the Carystians take them to Tenos, and the Tenians to Delos. That is how these things are said to reach Delos at the present time." So, from very ancient times, there was this practice of the Hyperboreans sending sacred offerings to the Island of Delos. Now, the Island of Delos is supposedly the birthplace of Phoebus Apollo, whose mother was Leto. Supposedly he was born on Mt. Cynthus. This is a very curious thing. This is contrary to the old view that the cultural flow was from the Mediterranean to the North, that civilization began in the Near East. It implies a cultural flow from the North to the South. What were these ancient Hyperboreans sending to the Island of Delos?

A: Leaves bearing cryptic codes.

[...]

Crytptic codes like what? They are pictures of some Russian/Slavic/Indo-Europea runes and old alphabets on this page: _http://irenecaesar.livejournal.com/tag/vimanas Some of them resemble Sanskrit, which the C's once mentined had Atlantean origin. Some of the signs look like geometric figues that can be found on dresses or as embroidery. If these signs were written on a leaf and had a meaning they would be very cryptic, if only few knew the code.

 

[Altair]

Here is what I found about "avian gods" in Slavic mythology:

Sirin

Sirin is a mythological creature of Russian legends, with the head and chest of a beautiful woman and the body of a bird (usually an owl). According to myth, the Sirins lived "in Indian lands" near Eden or around the Euphrates River.

These half-women half-birds are directly based on the Greek myths and later folklore about sirens. They were usually portrayed wearing a crown or with a nimbus. Sirins sang beautiful songs to the saints, foretelling future joys. For mortals, however, the birds were dangerous. Men who heard them would forget everything on earth, follow them, and ultimately die. People would attempt to save themselves from Sirins by shooting cannons, ringing bells and making other loud noises to scare the bird off. Later (17-18th century), the image of Sirins changed and they started to symbolize world harmony (as they live near paradise). People in those times believed only really happy people could hear a Sirin, while only very few could see one because she is as fast and difficult to catch as human happiness. She symbolizes eternal joy and heavenly happiness.

The legend of Sirin might have been introduced to Kievan Rus by Persian merchants in the 8th-9th century. In the cities of Chersonesos and Kiev they are often found on pottery, golden pendants, even on the borders of Gospel books of tenth-twelfth centuries. Pomors often depicted Sirins on the illustrations in the Book of Genesis as birds sitting in paradise trees.

Sometimes Sirins are seen as a metaphor for God's word going into the soul of a man. Sometimes they are seen as a metaphor of heretics tempting the weak. Sometimes Sirins were considered equivalent to the Polish Wila. In Russian folklore, Sirin was mixed with the revered religious writer Saint Ephrem the Syrian. Thus, peasant lyrists such as Nikolay Klyuev often used Sirins as a synonym for poet.

Alkonost

The Alkonost is, according to Russian mythos and folklore, a creature with the body of a bird but the head of a beautiful woman. It makes sounds that are amazingly beautiful, and those who hear these sounds forget everything they know and want nothing more ever again. She lives in the underworld with her counterpart the sirin. The alkonost lays her eggs on a beach and then rolls them into the sea. When the alkonost's eggs hatch, a thunderstorm sets in and the sea becomes so rough that it becomes impossible to traverse. It is also known as the Sirens. The name of the alkonost came from a Greek demigoddess whose name was Alcyone. In Greek mythology, Alcyone was transformed by the gods into a kingfisher

Gamayun

Gamayun is a prophetic bird of Slavic folklore. It is a symbol of wisdom and knowledge and lives on an island in the mythical east, close to paradise. Like the Sirin and the Alkonost, other creatures likewise deriving ultimately from the Greek myths and siren mythology, the Gamayun is normally depicted as a large bird with a woman's head.

Contradictory to the above statement about its Greek origin:

The Gamayun, like the Alkonost, is illustrated as a large bird figure with a woman’s head. Her iconic image represents happiness, prosperity and harmony. She is essentially a messenger for peace and sings beautiful melodies. She is considered to be prophetic in Russia as she is aware of everything that occurs within the world including man and animal, and she knows all amongst the gods and heroes. She lives on an island in the East near the Euphrates River or Eden. The Pythoness is not usually depicted with the Alkonost nor Siren, she is permanently alone knowing the secret fate of humans and the world.

Gamayun cooperated with pagan Russian gods, notably Kryshen, Kolyada and Dazhbog, and Veles. She is seen as a personification of Veles—a renowned deity of wisdom, who keeps secrets regarding the world and man’s creation. She is aware of the true nature of all the gods and humans, and sang in the Book of the Vedas. The being’s hymns are believed to be divine and to have magical properties, her voice is difficult to understand and decipher, but the few humans who can comprehend her words can have their future prophesied and opulence as a gift. In contrast to the Alkonost, the bird does not derive from ancient Greece but from Iranian mythology, ultimately gaining recognition in Russia.

Source: _http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/alkonost-and-gamayun-mythical-beings-slavic-folklore-004076

The C's speak about Lords and the question remains "why penitent? penitent about what?" Here is etymology of penitent:

penitence (n.)
c. 1200, from Old French penitence (11c.) and directly from Latin paenitentia "repentance," noun of condition from paenitentum (nominative paenitens) "penitent," present participle of paenitere "cause or feel regret," probably originally "is not enough, is unsatisfactory," from paene "nearly, almost, practically," which is of uncertain origin. The basic meaning seems to be "missing, lacking."

Which doesn't bring further...

 

[thorbiorn]

[...]
The C's speak about Lords and the question remains "why penitent? penitent about what?" Here is etymology of penitent:

penitence (n.)
c. 1200, from Old French penitence (11c.) and directly from Latin paenitentia "repentance," noun of condition from paenitentum (nominative paenitens) "penitent," present participle of paenitere "cause or feel regret," probably originally "is not enough, is unsatisfactory," from paene "nearly, almost, practically," which is of uncertain origin. The basic meaning seems to be "missing, lacking."

Which doesn't bring further...

Well, you may be onto something. In the old days one kind of punishment was to be outlawed and banished from the area occupied by a tribe. Below are some other ideas and guess about the identity of the Avian Lords

Besides the meaning of Avian Lords being of some special race, or species, an Avian Lord might also be someone who masters birds, like a falconeer _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falconry which leads me to think of people from the Indo European steppes or Altaic region.

An avian lord might be someone who is a lord among people whose banner features and eagle or whose totem is an eagle It could also be related to a religion. If for example Athena/Minerva are related to owls and eagles, could a high priest of such be an Avian Lord, like the pope is "Gods man on Earth"?

There is link between birds and religious leaders/shamans who were proficient in ornithomancy:

Ornithomancy (modern term from Greek ornis "bird" and manteia "divination"; in Ancient Greek: οἰωνίζομαι "take omens from the flight and cries of birds") is the practice of reading omens from the actions of birds followed in many ancient cultures including the Greeks, and is equivalent to the augury employed by the ancient Romans. Ornithomancy in some form has been found globally among a wide variety of pre-industrial peoples.[1]

Mediterranean developments[edit]
Prophesying by birds appeared among the Hittites in Anatolia, with texts on bird oracles written in Hittite known from the 13th or 14th century,[2] and from whom the Greek practice may derive.[3] It was also familiar to the Etruscans, who may have brought it to Rome.[4]

Greek evidence[edit]
Ornithomancy dates back to early Greek times, appearing on Archaic vases, as well as in Hesiod and Homer:[5] one notable example from the latter occurs in the Odyssey, when an eagle appears three times, flying to the right, with a dead dove in its talons, an augury interpreted as the coming of Odysseus, and the death of his wife's suitors. Aeschylus has Prometheus claim to have introduced ornithomancy to mankind, by indicating among the birds “those by nature favourable, and those/Sinister”.[6]

Ornithomancy could be spontaneous, or it could be the result of a formal consultation:[7] the seer would face north, and birds on their right - the east, the direction of sunrise - were taken as favourable (the reverse being true of the Roman augur, who by contrast faced south).[8] Although it was mainly the flights and songs of birds that were studied, any action could have been interpreted to either foretell the future or relate a message from the gods.

Roman practice[edit]
Such omens were considered with the utmost seriousness by Greeks and Romans alike, and ornithomancy became a branch of Roman national religion, which had its own priesthood and practice.[9] The word "inauguration" is derived from the Latin noun inauguratio derived from the verb inaugurare which was to "take omens from birds in flight." The Augurs were Roman priests who only looked at birds for their omens. There was also the Auspex (plural: Auspices) (or haruspex) who could interpret thunder, lightning, wind and other natural phenomena. The phrase "under the auspices" is derived from this need for a favourable reading of the omens by the Auspices.[10][11]

There is also the Roman Eagle as the standard of a Roman legion, but this only happened around 104 BC. Before there had been four others, the minotaur, the wolf, the horse and the boar. _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquila_(Roman) And for the infantry also the snake _http://www.ancient.eu/Roman_Standard/ Thus it remains uncertain if there is a relation. That the eagle was chosen is perhaps not a surprise, considering that the Roman augur was so important. Should not an image of an eagle help to make all the birds in the air fly as they should to provide omens that would favour a victory?

One aspect of religion is practice, one aspect of practice could be yoga. In Yoga there is a siddhi (siddhi is a perfection) that goes all the way to flying in the air. It is one of many and quite an advanced one, but still a 3D possibility. Suppose someone very skilled in Yoga made mistakes, in spite of having made much progress in controlling their physicality including the ability to fly. If still alive they might be adviced to do penance and accept the conditions. One example of penance although not on the level of flying is in the biography of the Tibetan Yogi, Milarepa. (There are many sources: short: _https://www.karmapa.org/karma-kagyu/lives/milarepa/, longer: _http://www.thranguhk.org/buddhism/en_milarepa.html very long: _https://www.amazon.com/Life-Milarepa-Translation-Tibetan-Compass/dp/0140193502) Very short: Milarepa first works with a black magician doing terrible things, later he works with a master, who puts him through a lot of hardships in order for him to repay his karmic debts. My guess it that a few penitant people with the caliber of Milarepa might be sufficient to initiate a change in a new location, as just a smaller number of settlers here and there in the last few hundred years have changed much, though not always for the better.

Another possibility is that the penitant Avian Lords were from another realm and chose to incarnate and aid civilization to make up for their errors, which then perhaps leads to the conclusion that they had helped to destroy some civilization? On the inside, they remained Avian Lords, but they appeared as humans.

Which of all these possibilities in this and our previous posts is the more likely? Perhaps a mix of possibilities is also an option? Or is it something else? Fortunately we don't have to decide now

 

[Altair]

Yes, I was thinking about Roman augury practices as well. Interesting that the motive of a bird-like woman was present in Etruscan culture as well. Here are some pictures of artifacts which allegedly have Etruscan origin:

Etruscan duck-askos of the Clusium Group, with a winged female divinity carrying a long fillet. Paris, Musée du Louvre, inv. no H 100. Length, 19.5 cm

Duck askos of the Clusium Group, with a female profile head. Florence, Museo Archeologico, inv. no. 4231.Height, 10.8 cm.

Source: _https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/etruscan-bird-askoi/

Another possibility is that the penitant Avian Lords were from another realm and chose to incarnate and aid civilization to make up for their errors, which then perhaps leads to the conclusion that they had helped to destroy some civilization? On the inside, they remained Avian Lords, but they appeared as humans.

Which of all these possibilities in this and our previous posts is the more likely? Perhaps a mix of possibilities is also an option? Or is it something else? Fortunately we don't have to decide now

I was thinking about it, too. Another possibility is that they might have been 4D beeings whose essence was perceived as bird-like (in analogy to 4D STS beings whose essence might be perceived as reptiloid) since the meaning of "avian" is "resembling or pertaining to birds".

 

[Altair]

By the way, I finished watching the documentaries about Peter the Great and Napoleon

"Шокирующие гипотезы(2016) .Пётр I .А царь то не настоящий" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvVP879TTw
Петр 1 был подменен на Западе своим ставленником. Часть 1 _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9nizlHX_bM
ПЕТРА ПЕРВОГО ПОДМЕНИЛИ ! _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLy3lhy04E
Петр 1. Подмена царя _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jUTNGJug7s
"Неудобные артефакты войны 1812 года" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSYCQXH6s_4
"С кем воевал Наполеон в 1812 году?" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PJGJse0eVA
"Война миров 1812. Часть 1" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeJaFLK-Jd4
"Война миров 1812. Часть 2" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4gMRlr7xU

Concerning Peter the Great, I'm not sure whether the evidence they present in the film are sufficient enough to come to conclusion that he was simply replaced by another person. After 2 years of visiting Europe he simply might have been brainwashed or got fascinated with European culture. Though we know that after his return he abolished many old Russian traditions, replaced the ancient Russian calendar with Julian calender and so on. The quesion is why? Why do you want to abolish an ancient calendar and replace it with something more "fashionable"? Maybe to conceal something in the past and to wipe out the old tradition? I'll try to respond to it later.

The documentary about Napoleon and and the "Patriotic" war in 1812 is really fascinating. The evidence presented by the author is overwhelming. He analyzes old documents, military maps, uniforms of both Russian and French armies, paintings and medals of that time and so on. The conclusion in short: Napoleon I and Alexandr I were on the same side, they were allies in the battle against... well, against whom? I posted about that some time ago:

According to official history pagan Slavs were baptised by Vladimir the Great in 988 AD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_the_Great#Christianization_of_the_Kievan_Rus.27) and since then Kievan Rus' and later Russia have been practising Christianity. Before that there was no monotheistic religion among Slavs. So who was this Vladimir the Great? Did the Slavs want to have a new monotheistic religion instead of the old one?

Sviatoslav I of Kiev, father of Vladimir the Great, (_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslav_I_of_Kiev) conquered the capital of Khazar kaganat - Itil (Итиль) in 969. After that the Khazar empire officially ceased to exists and many Khazars, who by that time had Jewish religion, fled to Kiev (Arthur Koestler suggests in his book The Thirteenth Tribe that Kiev was actually founded by Khazars, Slavs came only later and conquered Kiev, but that's another story) because they were attracted by the importance of Kiev as a big trade center at that time.

Mother of Sviatoslav I, princess Olga, hired a young girl Malusha (it's hypocoristic form of Malka, derived from Old-Hebraic Melekh – king or mal’akh - angel, ambassador) as a housekeeper. The father of Malka was an influential Khazar rabbi with name Malk from the town of Lubitch which was a vassal of Khazar kaganat till 882 AD (see Emeljanov Desionization p.5, only in Russian available: В. Емельянов Десионизация). The town of Lubitch was liberated from Khazars by prince Oleg in 882. Instigated by his father Malka seduced Sviatoslav and got pregnant from him with a boy who we know now as Vladimir the Great. In the Primary Chronicle (_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_Chronicle) Vladmir was called as rabbich (раввиныч), in later translations it was interpreted as "son of a slave" (in Russian "rab" means "slave", according to official history Malka was a servant/slave) though there never was slavery in Russia.

Here is some info (in Russian) with citations from Russian Chronicles: _https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0. Unfortunately the English version states something complete different about origin of Malka: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malusha

In the original Old-Russian text of the chronicle Sermon on Law and Grace (_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermon_on_Law_and_Grace) Vladimir was called a kagan. In a later Russian translation the word "kagan" was replaced by "prince". (Compare here the orginal Old-Russian excerpt with a later Russian translation: _https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BE_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%B8_%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8)

Being still an underage prince, he was invited to govern the big town Novgorod with his oncle Dabran (brother of Malka). So Vladimir got his education from his Jewish relatives and was later instigated to take revenge on his relatives (on father line) who freed the town of Lubitch (prince Oleg in 882) from the influence of Malk and other Khazars. The idea was to explode from within the old pagan religion of Slavs by converting them to the export version Judaism - Christianity.

After coming back on the throne in Kiev he started to carry out his plan to comprise the old religion of Slavs. He called people to worhsip previously unknown in Russia idols and to sacrifice them innocent boys (the original Paleo-Religion of Slavs didn't accepted any sacrifices of humans/animals). The sacrificial blood was collected and delivered to Jewish customers. 10 years later many people were dissatisfied with such practices AND with their original pagan religion. Feeling that the time was ripe he ordered to destroy the old idols, converted himself to Christianity in 988 and made it an official state religion. He ordered thousands of people to go to Dnepr and other rivers forcing them to baptize.

During 12 years of forced Christianization 270 towns (out of 300) were destroyed and 9 million people (out of 12 million) were killed. Mostly olderly people were killed in order to erase the memory about the old pagan religion. Deprived of parents children were brought up in the Christian traditions, with the denial of all the great heritage of their ancestors. All connected with the old pagan religion was burnt and destroyed.

Check these articles and books for additional info and citations:

_http://www.smsinternational.org/article_christianization-slavic-world.html (in English)
_http://gifakt.ru/archives/index/knyaz-vladimir-i-nasilstvennoe-kreshhenie-rusi/ (in Russian)
_http://energodar.net/nasledie/tartariya.html (in Russian)
German historian Boris Altschüler about the origin of Vladmir and Christianization of Slavs in his book Geheimbericht aus der grossen Steppe. The book is translated into Russian: Последняя тайна России

Tartaria Magna

After Vladimir there were many internecine feuds for new territories and so by the beginning of the 13th century several princely states were formed which is now known as Kievan Rus' (_http://www.britannica.com/topic/Kievan-Rus). Actually, it's an artificial name created by historian М. Pogodin (М. Погодин) in his dissertation "About Origin of Rus" ("О происхождении Руси" ) in 1825 and promoted by German historians of allegedly Jewish origin Theophilus Siegfried Bayer, Gerhard Friedrich Müller and August Ludwig von Schlözer who actually rewritten the history of Russia in 18-19th centuries which we know today (as suggested in the article in Russian _http://energodar.net/nasledie/tartariya.html)

The word "tartar" was distorted later and became "tatar" and

was used by Russians and Europeans to denote Mongols as well as Turkic peoples under Mongol rule (especially in the Golden Horde)

See _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars

Actually this substitution of names was done by a Russian Jew and communist Lazar Kaganovich in 1935 (_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich) to as suggests this article in Russian _http://energodar.net/nasledie/tartariya.html.

Many Slavs who lived further to the east of Kievan Rus' remained loyal to the old pagan religion and called their territories Tartaria which is derived from the names of the children of their old pagan God Perun: Tarh and Tara. Under this name the big part of Euroasia was known to Europeans.


In 2013 Putin declassified old archives about Tartaria and presented them to the Russian Geographical Society (_https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=56&v=_k97crlKPVs). Some of them you can find here _https://www.google.de/search?q=%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F+%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B&tbm=isch).

In this speach (_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3lG5XrGY_g) he admits that in Battle of Kulikovo in 1381 which we know as a battle between slavs of Kievan Rus and mongols of the Golden Horde there were "Russians fighting on the both sides".

So in 1222 in Asgard (modern Russian city of Omsk) followers of the slavonic Paleo-Religion decided to establish a special governing body for the protection of the old religion. It was caled "орден" (orden) which literally means "power of light" , later this word was distorted to horde/orda. This governing body had it's own army consisted of slavs who remained loyal to the old pagan religion and it was formed to free the western territories from forced Judeo-Christianity. In the official history it became known as Golden Horde which was allegedly a new empire of mongols (_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde) who according to the official explanation invaded "Kievean Rus" in 1237 and were governing their till 1480.

The last known conflict between Christians and followers of the slavonic Paleo-Religion took place during Pugachev's Rebellion of 1773-1775 (_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugachev%27s_Rebellion) which official history presents us just as another "peasants unrest". The rebellion was crushed and after that there were no mentions of "Tartaria" in official Russian History (till Putin's declassification of the relevant documents in 2013).

There is almost nothing about Vladmir's orgin, forced Christianization of slavs and Tartaria in languages other than Russian. Till recently all that was carefully concealed from Russian people.
...

So in my opinion there is a good possibility that the deeds of Peter the Great (or whoever was this person) who tried to wipe out the old pagan/shamanic tradition of Slavs as well as the war of 1812 against all the people who rejected monotheistic Christianity were a continuation (and probably the end) of the process of forced christianisation started by Vladimir the Great in 988 AD for political reasons.

 

[Andrian]

I was thinking about it, too. Another possibility is that they might have been 4D beeings whose essence was perceived as bird-like (in analogy to 4D STS beings whose essence might be perceived as reptiloid) since the meaning of "avian" is "resembling or pertaining to birds".

Good catch, i was thinking about the same thing. Thank you thorbiorn for sharing your research on the history of Russia, i, myself have russian roots, i'm from Moldova, my mother's father, my grandpa comes from Russia, he emigrated to Moldova after World War II so i was curious to learn, know more about the history of Russia. I could be way off here, but, it seems the Slavonic tribes are deriving from an ancient race who had high abilities, strong magnetic centers, strongly developed spiritually in contact perhaps with 6D beings, the only race that comes to my mind are the Kantekkians from Kantek, the 5th planet being destroyed and her inhabitants transported/transferred to Earth.

 

[thorbiorn]

Yes, I was thinking about Roman augury practices as well. Interesting that the motive of a bird-like woman was present in Etruscan culture as well. Here are some pictures of artifacts which allegedly have Etruscan origin:

Etruscan duck-askos of the Clusium Group, with a winged female divinity carrying a long fillet. Paris, Musée du Louvre, inv. no H 100. Length, 19.5 cm

Duck askos of the Clusium Group, with a female profile head. Florence, Museo Archeologico, inv. no. 4231.Height, 10.8 cm.

Source: _https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/etruscan-bird-askoi/
[...]

Indeed, because in the post there was this:

Quote from: _http://www.perunica.ru/vedi/579-pticy-v-slavyanskoj-mifologii.html
[...]
A bird in the Slavic mythology occupies a special and very important place. The Supreme deity of the Race – the beginning of all beginnings, in his earthly incarnation, took the image of a gray duck, which was his symbol and carrier of his power. This duck laid two eggs – Yav and NAV – the embodiment of good and evil, life and death... passed down from the depths of time the images of birds are very diverse, due to vast territories inhabited by Slavic peoples.
[...]

The winged image on the ceramic sculpture of the duck resembles an angle, which certainly then did not arrive with the introduction of Christianity; rather it seems that previously perceived or imagined winged beings, became categorized as angles? Or is the winged being rather a symbol or description of a free or freed soul?