HIV

Miss.K said:
There was a doctor that as far as I remember said that HIV don´t cause AIDS, and that HIV is something that comes and goes like many other viruses, so getting tested positive is just having the bad luck of being tested while it is there. He injected himself with HIV positive blood on Spanish TV to prove his theory but convenient for Big Pharma he died of a heart attack shortly after.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Willner

Interesting guy. Perhaps a quick death was more fortunate for him as well? You've brought up an interesting idea... that of denialism and the way it is discussed in society. People want black or white answers that apply to everyone without discussing the things that 'dont fit' into either their paradigm of reality, or within their knowledge base.

Robert Willner may have been 'bang on' about many of the things he was discussing, but mistaken about others. The interesting thing that seems to occur, is that, many times 'authority' uses the things that a person is wrong about to negate the things they are right about, thereby destroying their (often) careers, credibility and lives. Mind you, sometimes a person doesn't even have to be wrong to have this done, just against what big pharma or government wants.

Miss.K said:
I knew 2 people back in the early 90's that got tested positive for HIV. One took the prescribed medication and died 3 years later from brain cancer, which was one of the listed side effects. The other refused medication and instead ate more seaweed, organ meat and vit C and is still alive.

I'm sorry if you've lost friends to the disease. It looks like the healthy eating alternative worked well for the person that refused prescribed medication. Although, this does not take into account an unknown factor that some people's genetic susceptibility (to both a disease and a treatment) effects an outcome. Because we don't know about either, we are literally gambling with our lives.

I found this documentary by Stephen Fry (about the attitudes of various people in society) to AIDs and HIV very interesting. He was literally shocked about people's attitudes towards high risk sexual activity. And, appalled by certain health ministers in a foreign government (where HIV and AIDs are endemic) towards it. These people deny a connection between HIV and AIDs and refuse to take a public test. They're not so 'shy' about doing other public health tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6H1Q19OQck
 
Yupo said:
What motivation would a "lot of other people, not just the high risk populations" have for using a drug on a near nightly basis which was specifically used to enhance/enable anal sex?

The product enhances sex in general, and to an unbelievable degree. A sparkler vs Mt Saint Helens. To say more about specific effects would be TMI, I think. And I certainly don't want to encourage anyone to use it. I don't know (in the Biblical sense) anyone that was not using this stuff in the 80s and 90s. I am 100% heterosexual, btw, and so were my partners so far as I know. I would not consider myself or any of my partners to have been particularly adventurous that way. The stuff was as easy to get as condoms.

I was generally concerned about what seemed like intense neuro/vascular effects of it. I had enough sense not to make a real habit of it.

Whoa. I did not know that. I did read that after extended abuse of the substance, users were unable to perform any sex at all without the drug. How disturbing. -Particularly after listening to the Health & Wellness show focused on pornography.
 
Woodsman said:
As I understand it, "poppers" would destroy people's immune systems after a few years of very regular use (weekly, if not almost nightly). -And during the 1980's, also in a percentage of studied cases, AIDS would become apparent in conjunction with other overlapping types of drug abuse, (crack cocaine and injected drugs).

From what I understand, these 'poppers' are vasodilators? Making it more likely that HIV containing semen or blood gets through the mucosal membranes into the person taking the stuff who is also engaging in high risk activity. Also, needles (injectable drugs) do the same thing. So, these things then become 'enablers' for the transmission of this particular virus.

Yupo said:
I'm not buying that the meds are actually causing AIDS. The drugs are not without problems, but people are living a lot longer with these medications. I still see very thin people with HIV, but they are able to work, function, get along OK. 25 years ago it was a very different story. People were dying with it.
Amyl nitrate might cause problems, but an awful lot of people have used it, not just the high risk populations.

I heard a while back that the virus got into a certain human population during the testing phase of a different Hep B vaccine in 1970s. I have no way to know if this is true or not. I don't even remember where I heard/read it. Does not seem so far fetched a tale to me.

Niether do I. And yes, I think I remember reading that there was some sort of 'vaccination drive' among the gay population of San Francisco. I'll try and find the reference in the 'tome' ('The River' by Edward Hooper), not that that is going to be easy. Also, there are (currently?) two variants of the disease and (many?) different subtypes:
http://www.foundcare.org/difference-HIV1-HIV2.html
And they make a 'fuss' about the flu? Simply irresponsible if you ask me.

Ok, so I gave up on the 'tome', but I found this:

Walter Kyle, JD, is an attorney in private practice in Boston, Massachusetts, and an expert on vaccine product litigation. He has been involved in nearly 100 claims by vaccine-injured children and adults, and is an expert on the manufacturing of polio vaccines. His now-famous hypothesis that HIV developed in man after lots of live polio vaccine contaminated with simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) were released in the 1970s was published in The Lancet in 1992. Kyle said that oral polio continues to be cultured on green monkey tissues.

Kyle defends individuals seeking compensation or redress from the federal government and/or vaccine manufacturers for failure to warn that the polio vaccine is associated with contracting paralytic polio. In a suit Kyle filed against the federal government, the government was found negligent. All polio today in the US is related to the polio vaccine. According to Kyle, France switched from the oral polio vaccine to the injected polio in 1983 and thereby eliminated all polio from France. In the US, injected polio was approved for use in 1996 but is still being used in conjunction with oral polio.

In the mid-1970s, multiple live polio vaccines were given to gay men in Berkeley to treat herpes. Kyle suggested that this may be related to the origins of AIDS or at least for the presence of HIV and cited as evidence the 900 or more children, including Whitney Williams, who have tested positive for HIV without any known risk factors and who have all received oral polio vaccine.

from here:
https://iaomt.org/TestFoundation/1stvacconf.htm

What I don't understand is why they would give live polio vaccines to treat herpes!?! What the...? They're not even from the same 'group' of viruses! Would anyone know the answer to that? Bonkers! Thats going to mystify me for some time.
 
And yes, I think I remember reading that there was some sort of 'vaccination drive' among the gay population of San Francisco.


I heard it was from an early human testing of Hep B vaccine, in NYC area, I thought. I'll try to find the reference.
 
From what I understand, these 'poppers' are vasodilators? Making it more likely that HIV containing semen or blood gets through the mucosal membranes into the person taking the stuff who is also engaging in high risk activity.

Yes they are vasodilators. I had not thought about them increasing the chance of transmission. Maybe. But even healthy mucous membranes are much more permeable than intact skin. I'm skeptical of that being a big factor in transmission. Might be more of an issue of general health degradation, but I really don't know.
 
Ruth said:
Woodsman said:
As I understand it, "poppers" would destroy people's immune systems after a few years of very regular use (weekly, if not almost nightly). -And during the 1980's, also in a percentage of studied cases, AIDS would become apparent in conjunction with other overlapping types of drug abuse, (crack cocaine and injected drugs).

From what I understand, these 'poppers' are vasodilators? Making it more likely that HIV containing semen or blood gets through the mucosal membranes into the person taking the stuff who is also engaging in high risk activity. Also, needles (injectable drugs) do the same thing. So, these things then become 'enablers' for the transmission of this particular virus.

Transmission of what, though?

The entire AIDS industry was founded on an extremely weak hypothesis and the self-serving agenda of a manipulative man running a demonstrably corrupt lab, who just really, really wanted to fit a square peg into a round hole for the sake of fame and money.

Even after several years, by the time the HIV test and "AIDS as a retrovirus" was elevated to the status of Unassailable Official Doctrine, still nobody had actually found a virus. The kinds of explanations Gallo offered for this critical lack of evidence were, to be frank, stupid, stretching credulity beyond any rational breaking point.

-Meanwhile, the toxicological explanation for AIDS neatly covered all bases, -except the "gobs of free cash for big pharma" angle.

Did you read that .pdf? I thought it was quite clear and made the nature of the drama explicit.

The whole thing feels like the original Edward Jenner medical con-job all over again.

Patterns repeat.
 
All that fishy stuff around the disease may be true, but does not mean that there is no virus involved. Probably there are many factors around the onset of real illness associated with it. Anyway, I would not advise sharing needles, accepting transfusions and/or having unprotected intercourse with HIV+ individuals. (Personally, I have concern for mosquito transmission, too, although the experts say it doesn't happen.)
For example, something like soil quality (in terms of natural Selenium levels) determines a lot of the degree of illness in some people with viral disease. The following general information page on this subject also applies to VHF (Ebola type illness).


SELENIUM AND ITS MIGHTY BENEFITS
From the journal Alternatives,12:14; 105-111, Aug 2008
With editorial notes by Dr. Lawrence Wilson.
- updated March 2011.

When it comes to human papilloma virus or HPV, or any virus problem for that matter, it is crucial that you are getting adequate amounts of selenium in your diet or using a supplement.
Glutathione requires selenium for its production. It is the granddaddy of all antioxidants. Every single condition we associate with aging has been linked to lowered glutathione levels.
Studies have shown that individuals who maintain the highest levels of glutathione remain the healthiest and live the longest. The very important relationship between selenium and glutathione has just recently come to light during the last few years.

SELENOPROTEINS

Selenium is a trace mineral that the body incorporates into proteins to make over 25 different selenoproteins (like the enzyme glutathione peroxidase). These are some of the strongest antioxidants that work to prevent cellular damage from free radicals. They also help regulate thyroid function and assist the immune system.
A few years ago, researchers working with the flu virus discovered that animals deficient in selenium were more susceptible to infectious diseases. This wasn't earth shattering news-or unexpected. It's well known that being malnourished or nutritionally deficient will result in an impaired immune system.
Their shocking discovery, however, was that where animals with a selenium deficiency were contaminated with the flu virus, the virus mutated into a far more virulent form when it was passed on to the next animal.
The researchers compared the initial virus to the mutated form, saying that the first would typically cause only mild pneumonia, while the latter would result in life threatening severe pneumonia.
In simple terms, they discovered that selenium deficiencies cause viral mutations that could turn a harmless flu bug into a worldwide life-threatening flu pandemic. Why the importance oj selenium wasn't broadcast to the masses I'll never understand. And the ramifications of having adequate selenium reserves in the body reaches far beyond the flu virus.

FURTHER VIRAL EFFECTS

It appears that selenium also has a very strong link to another viral disease: HIV/AIDS. The work is still ongoing into the exact details of how HIV utilizes selenium. Recent studies have shown that providing adequate amounts of selenium to the virus slows its replication. HIV requires selenium, and will invade other cells in an attempt to get more of the mineral. The virus' need for selenium helps explain several aspects of AIDS.
Research has shown that one of the hallmarks oj AIDS progression is a decline in the patient's selenium blood plasma levels. This is accompanied by a decline in the selenium-containing antioxidant glutathione peroxide as well. Not only this, but infection rates are highest in geographic areas of the world where soil selenium levels are the lowest and infection rates are lowest where selenium levels are the highest.

AIDS HIGHEST WHERE SELENIUM IS LOWEST

The AIDS infection rate is highest in those African countries with low levels of selenium in their soil: Zimbabwe, 25.84 percent; Botswana, 25.10 percent; Zambia, 19.07 percent; South Africa, 12.91 percent; and Cote D'Ivoire, 10.06 percent.
In contrast, Senegal in West Africa has the lowest levels of AIDS at 1.77 percent-and the highest levels of selenium-rich soil.
(Senegal also has one of the lowest rates of cancer in Africa, another benefit of their selenium-rich soil.)

SEX DEPLETES SELENIUM, PARTICULARLY IN MEN

It's probably no coincidence, either, that males transmit the AIDS virus more easily than do females. Selenium is concentrated in semen, and sperm cells also contain high levels of the trace mineral. Not only can there be a significant loss of selenium during sexual intercourse. The invasion of these cells by HIV in its search for the mineral quickly transforms them into a carrier of the virus.
You might recall that in the early days of the AIDS epidemic there was widespread abuse of oxidant drugs in the form of nitrite inhalants. These produced an abundance of free radicals, which further depleted glutathione and selenium levels and sped up the disease process.
An individual's selenium reserve, at the time of infection and subsequently, also helps explain the variable latency period between the time of HIV infection and the appearance of AIDS. For some it is rather quick, while for others it can be years-and some HIV-positive patients have never developed AIDS.

TREATING AIDS WITH SELENIUM, CYSTEINE, GLUTAMINE AND TRYPTOPHAN

Numerous doctors have started treating their AIDS patients utilizing either increased amounts of supplemental selenium or the four basic components of glutathione peroxidase - selenium, cysteine, glutamine, and tryptophan - and have seen remarkable results.
Increasing glutathione levels with the selenium and cysteine makes the immune system more responsive to viruses and cancer as well. Glutamine helps alleviate depression problems and helps heal the intestinal tract, resulting in better digestion and the elimination of diarrhea.
Advanced AIDS patients have been shown to have tryptophan levels at about half the amount of those with the disease. Increasing tryptophan helps protect against dementia by increasing serotonin levels in the brain.
The idea has not been to "eliminate" HIV from the body, which many researchers now feel would be impossible, but rather to supply it and the rest of the body with adequate amounts of selenium. It's more of an effort to live with the virus much like we can live with other potentially harmful pathogens in our body, but keep it in check to minimize any harm. The additional selenium and the antioxidants associated with it help stop the virus from replicating and invading other cells to "feed" its need for selenium.
Not only is this program very cost-effective at $10 to $20 a month, it has been instrumental in allowing patients to live normal, otherwise healthy, productive lives. I've spoken with many of these patients, and practically all of the long-term survivors are on programs that include selenium, N-acetylcysteine (NAC) to increase glutathione levels, and other antioxidants.
I have a report of one individual who has been HIV-positive for 21 years. After undergoing practically every known treatment, he still had detectible levels of HI V-until he took selenium. After taking a 200 microgram daily dose his viral load dropped from 20,000/mL to 49, which is considered undetectable. Additionally, he hasn't been sick since taking the selenium and has experienced no side effects whatsoever.

IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER

Much of what I've discussed so far has had to do with HIV and AIDS. Keep in mind, however, that it also applies to any virus or viral infection.
This could be something as simple as the cold or as serious as the next pandemic influenza virus, bird flu, West Nile virus, Ebola, hepatitis, hantavirus, Marburg virus, smallpox, or some viral agent spread through bioterrorism.
Other than isolation and the use of questionable and unproven vaccines, there's not much in the form of treatment for any of these problems.
Viral threats are certainly not the only reason you should make the effort to increase your selenium level.

LONGEVITY AND COGNITIVE DECLINE

Several studies have found that selenium blood levels fall as we age and those with the lowest levels experience shorter life spans. One study showed a drop of 7 percent at age 60 and 24 percent by age 75.
In one study involving 1,389 patients ages 60 to 71, it was discovered that, when compared to those with the higher selenium levels, those with the lower levels have a highest likelihood of experiencing cognitive and neurological problems. (Epidemiology 07;18:52-58) (Sci Total Environ 95;170:133-139) (Med Hypotheses 97;48:355-360)

CANCER

Selenium prevents cancer. This has been proven time and time again. One study involved 1,312 patients with no melanoma skin cancer. Half received a placebo and the other half received 200 mcg of selenium for an average of 4.5 years.
Those who took the selenium had an overall decrease in all cancers of 35 percent compared to those on the placebo. Prostate cancer decreased by 63 percent, lung cancer by 46 percent, and colorectal cancer by 58 percent. The effect was so dramatic that the blinded part of the study was ended early so those on the placebo could be told the benefits of taking selenium (JAMA 96;276:1957-1963).

OTHER CANCERS AS WELL

Other research has now found that increasing levels of selenium could cut the incidence of bladder cancer by as much as 70 percent. It also appears that breast cancer is far more prevalent in individuals with low selenium levels - and supplementation could lower those rates as well (J Surg Oncol 80;15:67-70) (Mol Carcinog 99; 26:213-225).
A study in Arizona of 1,763 individuals found that those with lower levels of selenium were more likely to have polyps in their intestinal tract than those with higher levels of the mineral (33 percent compared to only
9 percent). Polyps are considered pre-cancerous (J Natl Cancer Inst 04;96:1669-1675).

HEART DISEASE

From common sense and all research indications, it seems apparent that selenium and the enzymes produced from it, like glutathione peroxidase and thioredoxin reductase, help prevent the oxidation of LDL cholesterol. It's the oxidation of LDL cholesterol that starts the inflammatory process leading to the development of plaques in arteries (Circulation 98;97:1930-1934).
There are other antioxidants that are needed to prevent heart disease, but keep in mind that selenium is one of the most powerful ones.

ARTHRITIS

This is another area where there hasn't been enough research concerning selenium. We do know that with inflammatory arthritic conditions like rheumatoid arthritis there are consistently lower levels of selenium in the blood, and oftentimes a low intake of the mineral.
Selenium is a part of not only antioxidant proteins, but anti-inflammatory ones as well. Along with omega- 3 fatty acids, selenium can prove to be a godsend to many with rheumatoid arthritis (Bioi Trace Element Res 96;53:51-56) (Ann Rheum Dis 94;53:51-53) (Semin Arthritis Rheum 97;27:180-185).

THE REST OF THE STORY

One of the primary reasons the public has never discovered the necessity and benefits of selenium stems from the fear of toxicity (a needless fear, as you'll see). Selenium is definitely one of those compounds that, if its use became more widespread, would put a huge dent in the multi-trillion dollar health care system.

MANIPULATION OF SELENIUM RDAs

The common tactic to discourage the use of a vitamin, mineral, or other supplement is to exaggerate any possible dangerous side effects and then throw in a study or two showing that it doesn't work. These are exactly the things that have been happening to selenium.
The US Food and Nutrition Board actually lowered the RDA for selenium in the year 2000 from 70 mcg for men and 55 mcg/day for women to 55 mcg/day for both. They obviously ignored the 1996 cancer study report I mentioned above showing the benefits of 200 mcg/day without any side effects. The same board set what is called the tolerable upper intake level (UL) at 400 mcg a day.
In China, where a large number of the selenium studies and treatment programs have been undertaken over decades (they have widespread selenium deficiencies there), the UL is set at 819 mcg/day with no adverse effects. The "low adverse effect level" is considered to be 1,054 mcg/day.

SELENIUM TOXICITY

Toxic symptoms, by the way, are easy to recognize. The first indications are "garlic breath" and dry skin. Later the fingernails acquire white patches, become brittle, and fall off. Studies in China have found that the nail and hair loss occurs when selenium intake reaches 4,990 mcg/day (J Trace Elem Electrolytes In Health And Disease 94;8:159-165).
Obviously, taking the 200-400 mcg/day, which has been proven to help in cancer, AIDS, and other conditions, on top of whatever one consumes in their diet, wouldn't be a problem. Research consistently has shown these levels to be totally safe and effective.

A bogus and rigged selenium study. A study is now underway on selenium, but it uses only the RDA level of 55 mcg/day for a phase III study of 32,500 men, funded by the National Cancer Institute, to test the benefits of selenium and vitamin E on preventing prostate cancer.
I suspect the results, which will be released after the 2013 completion date of the study, will be underwhelming and cited as proof that selenium is worthless. Honestly, they could save their money (actually our money), since research has already proven it will be largely ineffective at that dosage. Even worse, hundreds of decent, unsuspecting men will die needlessly, simply because they didn't receive the amount of selenium they needed for cancer protection.

SOMETIMES A GOOD DIET ISN'T ENOUGH

Ideally we should be able to obtain all the nutrients we need from our diet, but that is becoming more and more difficult.
Food sources for each of the three amino acids I mentioned earlier (tryptophan, cysteine, and glutamine, used in the production of glutathione) are those rich in protein. This includes lamb, beef, poultry, fish, and soft-cooked eggs.
Also, whey protein found in raw dairy products is another way to raise and maintain higher glutathione levels in the body.

RUSSIA AND CHINA DEFICIENT IN SELENIUM

Regarding selenium in foods, it depends greatly on the amount of selenium in the soil. Russia and China have large areas of selenium-poor soil. We routinely see reports of selenium deficiency in those areas, since most of their food is grown and eaten locally. (As a side note, when you combine the low selenium content in China with the mutation of viruses in low-selenium hosts, it’s no wonder that so many nasty viruses originate in the part of the world.)

SOIL AVAILABILITY OF SELENIUM WORSENING

The soil conditions everywhere on earth in regards to selenium availability are worsening due to several factors. First, acid rain has been created from increased levels of sulfur and nitrogen in the atmosphere (due to pollution). This changes the PH of the soil, making it more difficult for selenium to bind to plant roots. Additionally, heavy metals such as mercury in rainfall quickly bind to selenium and form insoluble compounds. Both of these problems lower the amount of selenium entering the food chain.

EUROPE BANNED SOME SELENIUM SUPPLEMENTS

It will be interesting to see what will happen in Europe over the next few years. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a significant decrease in their overall health picture.
The European Union has recently restricted the sale of some of the best forms of selenium supplements. Much of Europe’s soil is practically devoid of selenium.
Much of their selenium comes from imported wheat, but prices of the grain have skyrocketed and the drought in Australia has limited supplies. Australia, unlike the US, has severely selenium-deficient soils. This probably contributes to the high incidence of asthma, skin cancer and other problems in that country.

IMPAIRED DIGESTION AND SELENIUM DEFICIENCY

It is also important to note that individuals with more serious digestive problems, such as Crohn’s disease, stomach stapling or other difficulties, have a much higher risk of selenium deficiency.
This problem of absorbing and utilizing selenium also applies to a lesser degree to most Americans and many others in the world, thanks to their chaotic diets, hurried lifestyles, chemicals in their food, sugar-eating habits, fruit-eating habits, and other problems having to do with digestion.

WHERE TO GET YOUR SELENIUM

Selenium is becoming more difficult to obtain from our food supply. Plants take up selenium from the soil and propagate it through the food chain. The problem, however, is that the concentration of selenium in the soil varies tremendously around the globe, as mentioned earlier.

In America, for example, the soil in the Midwest, derived from ancient sea beds, contains as much as 50 ppm, which is as much as 1000 times the amount contained in the pacific Northwest, the great lakes area, the Northeast or Florida, where levels are less than 0.05 ppm. As a result, the average selenium intake varies from about 60-110 mcg daily in the US and only 11-67 mcg daily in Europe.

Currently, the best dietary source of selenium remains the Brazil nut. Nuts that you have to crack yourself have an average of 100 mcg of selenium each. Already-cracked nuts only contain about 1/8 to 1/4 that amount. (The processed nuts come from a different area of Brazil, where the soil levels of selenium are lower.)
(Dr. Wilson’s note: I find that better food sources of selenium are sardines, organic blue and yellow corn as tortillas or corn chips, and raw dairy such as raw cows or goat cheese. The problem with Brazil nuts is they are too yin, so please do not consume them.
Other fish, beef, turkey, seafood, mushrooms, eggs and brewer’s yeast are also food sources, but the selenium content can vary somewhat. So supplements are helpful.)
(Dr. Wilson’s note: For supplements, I prefer a food-based or food-grown selenium supplement. We use the one from Endomet Labs called Selenium or Selenase.)

For more on selenium, see the article on this website entitled Selenium, A New Mineral For Health.
 
Ruth said:
Woodsman said:
Transmission of what, though?

The virus of course. That little thing that you're in denial about. :P
It may be that Aids is caused by some sort of virus, although there is some doubt that it is actually caused by HIV. Whether this is true or not is open to discussion, but a statement in the manner of which you have just made above is totally uncalled for.

What you as appearing to say here is pretty much the same as when the 'establishment' calls people "deniers" regarding the false pronouncement that mankind is causing 'climate change' by using hydrocarbon fuels which emit carbon dioxide.

Resorting to name calling is not what we should be doing here as it is is not in the spirit of the Forum.

(fixed typo)
 
Yupo said:
From what I understand, these 'poppers' are vasodilators? Making it more likely that HIV containing semen or blood gets through the mucosal membranes into the person taking the stuff who is also engaging in high risk activity.

Yes they are vasodilators. I had not thought about them increasing the chance of transmission. Maybe. But even healthy mucous membranes are much more permeable than intact skin. I'm skeptical of that being a big factor in transmission. Might be more of an issue of general health degradation, but I really don't know.

Skin is not the same as a mucous membrane, but even they all need a vascular supply which would be (presumably?) subject to vasodilators. Even among mucous membranes, the mouth and the anus might be different in cellular construction to that of the vagina (that which is specifically designed, via nature, for penile penetration). That also doesn't take into account other variables such as vasodilators, breaks or weaknesses in the mucous membranes such as cold sores in the mouth (produced by infections) or vigorous physical activity which might produce trauma in any area.

I don't know how many people are familiar with the 'chain of infection', but if it is broken in some way, the organism can't go on infecting.

https://contagions.wordpress.com/2010/11/06/what-is-the-chain-of-infection/

I think taking 'poppers' and engaging in high risk sexual activity (such as not wearing a condom), or sharing needles will strengthen the chain instead of breaking it. This happens by enabling the HIV virus to more easily find a 'portal of entry', there by spreading the disease.
 
Richard S said:
Resorting to name calling is not what we should be doing here as it is is not in the spirit of the Forum.

There is a difference in the way 'the establishment' uses the term 'deniers' (for it's own ends, as discussed, I believe) and someone who is in denial about something (for what ever reason).

Presumably you think I'm using them interchangebly simply because I wrote about both in the same topic, answering the same person, and this is what you mean by 'name calling'. Or perhaps this is how it was interpreted and probably by more than one individual. So lucky said topic isn't 'up for discussion then'. Sarcasm intended. Even though the topic is important and was being discussed at the time.

How the establishment uses the term 'denialists' and a person in denial should most likely be treated separately. It's up to each individual to figure out if by doing one, they fall into the other category, or potentially could do so. The fact that I point out this possibility out is not name calling. I call it elaborating on a social issue.
 
Ruth said:
Woodsman said:
Transmission of what, though?

The virus of course. That little thing that you're in denial about. :P

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree regarding viruses; I may be wrong about everything, I just see no reason to think so at the moment.

But the techniques you are using to fortify what appears to be a sacred cow can carry expensive cognitive consequences. Is your sanity worth it? Don't worry about what I think. I'm not trying to "win". I'm nothing.
 
Ruth said:
Woodsman said:
Transmission of what, though?

The virus of course. That little thing that you're in denial about. :P

Ruth, we value politeness and decency on this forum. Woodsman saying that there are questions about what actually causes Aids does not mean he is "in denial". If others were to adopt your argumentative and somewhat combative approach, you would immediately be (reasonably) accused of being closed-minded and engaging in black and white thinking. But we don't do that because this forum is about research and learning, which is not compatible with members throwing snippy remarks at each other just because they present alternative viewpoints.

Back on topic, I think an interesting idea about the origins of "HIV" is that it is a product of big pharma trying to vax the world and producing unintended results in the form of mutations of existing viruses.

Here's a Sott article and an award-winning documentary from 2003 that was sorta suppressed.


https://www.sott.net/article/291601-Documentary-The-origins-of-AIDS-blowback-from-polio-vaccine-campaigns
 
One of the things reality teaches and which I've seen reinforced again and again in the investigations on SOTT is that unexpected and parallel developments tend to contribute to the complexity of pretty much every issue on the study desk. -Either by design, (multiple Oswalds dropped in to confused everybody), or as a natural consequence of reality.

From the Non-Official side of the street, the ideas I find compelling with regard to viruses in general and AIDS in particular include...

1. Boring toxicological explanations; AIDS being a result of drug use. -But also Polio, the grand daddy of afflictions which catapulted the vaccine industry into hard core official doctrine, -being a result, not of a virus, but rather indiscriminate insecticide spraying campaigns in the agricultural sector. (DDT creates the symptoms seen in Polio and the seasonal appearance of the affliction and the spraying times line up, as did the beginning of regulations of chemical sprays and the drop in disease incidence).

Another interesting point worth noting wrt the toxicological explanation is that DDT and other insect sprays upon losing sales due to regulations in the West found new markets in third world nations, probably contributing to the apparent spread of "infectious disease" there.

2. Intensive use of Monkey organs for vaccine production, as described in the video linked above, and more ominously, as part of black budget weaponizing efforts, which can be read about in Edward T. Haslam's groundbreaking book, "Doctor Mary's Monkey". (An excellent interview with the author here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ5-liXcXLI )

3. Corrupt doctors and labs running on wishful thinking and opportunism. -Many of the researchers who have been lionized as founders of virology are, upon investigation, either outright contemptible people or earnest people heavily compromised by contemptible systems.


So we have two situations which both have compelling facts to speak to their authenticity:

-That toxins are responsible for a huge portion of the observed sicknesses ascribed to the virus model, (an idea which is aggressively ignored). -And diseases which result from genuine viral pathogens, and which likely arose through mismanagement and corruption.

Where those two sickness models meet and at what ratio they combine in order to create the impression of AIDS, I don't think anybody can say.

But it appears that the ultimate benefactor of this confused mess is the pharmaceutical industry.
 
Yes, lots of truths about all of this. Finding a single discrete thread of reliable reality is difficult indeed. I think you are right, confusion of any people with open enough minds to look outside the box is the goal. In this way, we are so easily discredited by the general programs. Jeez, it is everywhere.
Reminds me of an Anne Rice story I read once. The fellow ascended, seeing more and more of the physical and spirit worlds, increasing in understanding. At a certain place, he was always gently directed back down, as with a wagging finger saying no, no, no. It does seem like we are under a dome sometimes.
 

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