How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

[axj]

Yes, I'm aware of that, but as I said

If the short wave cycle was formed, as the C's said, it cannot have existed forever. It is simple logic.

Since the C's said that the long wave is completely ethereal

We have been over this point multiple times now. The C's said in the same session that the long wave cycle is completely ethereal for humans, but "on the physical plane" for flora and fauna:

Flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long term or long wave cycle on the physical plane

You even pointed it out yourself that you missed that part before:

Same here. I surprisedly noticed that on the physical plane part only when I was checking this specific thread yesterday, but not during all those years when I was reading the session info, including the parts on long and short wave cycles. God knows how many other simple but potentially important points I've been misunderstanding or failing to see.

 

[bozadi]

On the STS axis, beings that graduate become more and more “encapsulated” until, at fifth density, they exist completely in entropic thought with no activity whatsoever. At some point, these contractile energies gain sufficient “weight” to graduate to sixth density, at which point, in contact with knowledge of all, they perceive their true function which is to regenerate at level One as primal atoms. They become matter. This occurs at the same instant that STO energies have gained weight on an opposing axis, and rise to union with the One. In short, a constant cycling.

In this regard, I'm caught in the middle between Laura's explanation based on the C's statements, on the one part, and Ra's explanations, on the other part.

These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.

I don't know if 6D STS beings have both of the options of (1) becoming matter, or (2) switching to 6D STO, but one of the reasons for which I lean to Ra's explanation is what the C's say about blackholes:

(L) In terms of major STS, this may or may not be related, could you tell us the nature of a Black Hole?]

A: Grand Scale STS.

Q: (L) Is it like a being that has achieved such a level of STS that it has literally imploded in on itself in some way?

A: Close analogy.

Q: (T) Possibly an entire civilization of STS?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, maybe a civilization can't do it because that implies working together. It must need to be an individual being.

A: Black Holes are a natural force reflection of Free Will consciousness pattern of STS. Notice that Black Holes are located at center of spiral energy forces, all else radiates outward.

Q: (L) Now, you say "spiral" energy forces, and you also have said that this wave is a spiral. Is the central point of this wave that is spiraling, a black hole?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it a radiating wave?

A: All in creation is just that: a radiating wave.

Q: (L) Where does the energy go that gets sucked into a black hole?

A: Inward to total nonexistence.

Q: (L) Well, if a black hole continues to suck stuff in, is it possible that it would eventually suck in the entire creation?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why is that?

A: Universe is all encompassing. Black holes are final destination of all STS energy.

Q: (L) Okay, now I was reading through the transcripts a while ago and it says that a Black Hole is total non- existence which is regenerated at level one. Or, that the regeneration at level one is a reflection of a Black Hole. Is a Black Hole a level one phenomenon or a level seven phenomenon?

A: One through four only.

Q: (L) Is there any representation of the Black Hole phenomenon, that is, total non-existence, at the higher levels, that is, five through seven?

A: See previous answer.

 

[bozadi]

If the short wave cycle was formed, as the C's said, it cannot have existed forever. It is simple logic.

I believe you might be misinterpreting what the C's said on the long and the short wave cycles. But it might be that it's me who's misinterpreting more in this regard.

A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as undesirable consequences, but it must also be mentioned here that everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about why humans are "entrapped" in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

As you can see, the C's don't claim that the "short wave cycle" was invented, created, or formed for the sake of humanity. They imply that it's an integral option of existence. This is clearly expressed in the first statement that I bolded above. Also, if you notice, the C's say that the short wave cycle involves what we call "physical existence". So, do you believe "physical existence" (or physical reincarnation) was invented or created for the sake of humanity in the history of universe(s)?

As for "the long wave cycle on a physical plane", I already shared my ideas and suggestions about how that "might" be explained.

 

[axj]

As you can see, the C's don't claim that the "short wave cycle" was invented, created, or formed for the sake of humanity.

Who said it was for the sake of humanity? The C's did say that the short wave cycle was formed though, which implies that it cannot have existed forever:

The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

As for "the long wave cycle on a physical plane", I already shared my ideas and suggestions about how that "might" be explained.

I do not know how you explained it, but in any case, you cannot claim that "the C's said that the long wave is completely ethereal".

 

[bozadi]

axj, I try to approach the matter from a yin-yang point of view. I take the long and the short wave cycles as a reflection of a balanced duality. One couldn't be without the other. One can't have been created before the other. They are there eternally. What matters is "when" one or the other is "needed". I know / understand that humanity switched from the long to the short wave cycle. When the C's talk about "forming of the short wave cycle", this is just a "formation of a short wave cycle for humanity", it's not the invention or formation of a short wave cycle for the first time in the history of universe(s). And just like you, I'm also aware of Ra's explanation that once upon a time "there was only STO, and no STS". But this doesn't mean that STS really didn't exist at all. It was there all the time. It's just that humanity needed it, and then it appeared for humanity. As you know or could know, there can't be STO without STS. Both exist eternally. Likewise, the long and the short wave cycles exist eternally.

 

[Wandering Star]

I believe you might be misinterpreting what the C's said on the long and the short wave cycles. But it might be that it's me who's misinterpreting more in this regard.


As you can see, the C's don't claim that the "short wave cycle" was invented, created, or formed for the sake of humanity. They imply that it's an integral option of existence. This is clearly expressed in the first statement that I bolded above. Also, if you notice, the C's say that the short wave cycle involves what we call "physical existence". So, do you believe "physical existence" (or physical reincarnation) was invented or created for the sake of humanity in the history of universe(s)?

As for "the long wave cycle on a physical plane", I already shared my ideas and suggestions about how that "might" be explained.

The paragraph you quote in your post is a specific explanation for "humans".

Its cycle is normally long wave and its realm is spiritual or non-physical.

The realm of first and second density is physical and according to the C's it "normally" takes place in long wave.

You may have assumed knowledge from other sources is valid, and it may be, but if it isn't, it creates confusion with the C's material.

Maybe.

 

[bozadi]

You may have assumed knowledge from other sources is valid, and it may be, but if it isn't, it creates confusion with the C's material.

Can you please specify what knowledge from other sources that I assume to be valid creates a potential confusion with the C's material?

 

[axj]

axj, I try to approach the matter from a yin-yang point of view. I take the long and the short wave cycles as a reflection of a balanced duality. One couldn't be without the other. One can't have been created before the other.

I see no reason why the long wave cycle couldn't exist without the short wave cycle. The latter seems to be a fast and perhaps more adventurous option for souls that prefer that.

When the C's talk about "forming of the short wave cycle", this is just a "formation of a short wave cycle for humanity",

That is an assumption or theory and not a fact.

To me what the C's said about the creation of the short wave cycle sounds like they were talking about its original creation. They talk about nature and say nothing about humanity here:

The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

 

[Wandering Star]

Can you please specify what knowledge from other sources that I assume to be valid creates a potential confusion with the C's material?

No.

 

[Charade]

I’ve had to young cats die this weekend. We had too short a time to be with them . They were only 7 monnths old. Great personalities . The male would play fetch a paper ball like a dog “Aleast he stole the show”. For some reason these two favorite out of six stray cats we care for got sick and died together. There is a huge gaping void of energy left behind. I am finding comfort in imagining that because they gave such a spark of joy to our lives and we unexpectantly loved them so much that perhaps they can graduate from simply being cat consciousness. No idea what the next progression might be.

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The Living Force​

If the 1 and 2D interactive partners are the lower density expressions of our soul, then that is perhaps only a proportion of the flora and fauna on earth with us.
I question if this is e.g. individual animals, or species. In other words does a person with an individual soul (not an OP) have a 2D individual animal that is part of it? Then this pairing or grouping (including plants etc) is unique and could experience the shortwave cycle, whilst other flora and fauna remain on a long wave cycle.

I remember that in the Seth Material, Seth stated that he still was a dog in 3D that was part of his soul development.

 

[T.C.]

I question if this is e.g. individual animals, or species. In other words does a person with an individual soul (not an OP) have a 2D individual animal that is part of it? Then this pairing or grouping (including plants etc) is unique and could experience the shortwave cycle, whilst other flora and fauna remain on a long wave cycle.

When Laura began her experiment in superluminal communication, one of the reasons she chose a board type instrument instead of trance channeling was because she theorised that it would be unlikely that a single individual human would be able to fully channel the energies of a truly ‘higher’ being and multiple people can sit at the board at the same time. We’re also familiar with the concept of ‘group soul’, it being a group of humans that are all part of the same higher soul.

So based on those ideas, I’d guess that if there is any representation of people in the animal kingdom, it probably wouldn’t be a single animal. It would instead be a collective of animals like a flock of birds or and ant colony, whose interactions we find so fascinating because they all appear to be of ‘one mind’.

 

[T.C.]

The fact that the C’s said there are only two ways to experience existence - a short wave cycle and a long wave cycle - to me implies that there are and/or have probably been an infinite number of both across the universe. I’d be surprised if there were only two modes of being possible, and one of them was this experience us humans have been living, and everything else in existence and that ever existed, was on a long wave cycle.

 

[axj]

It is interesting how many misunderstandings occur in this thread. Part of it certainly due to the topic, since we have very little information or clues on it.

I’d be surprised if there were only two modes of being possible, and one of them was this experience us humans have been living, and everything else in existence and that ever existed, was on a long wave cycle.

I think that nobody suggested that. Though there are different takes on whether the C's talking about the creation of the short wave cycle implies that it existed "less long" than the long wave cycle in the universe.

 

[T.C.]

I think that nobody suggested that. Though there are different takes on whether the C's talking about the creation of the short wave cycle implies that it existed "less long" than the long wave cycle in the universe.

The long wave and short wave cycles are a duality, therefore by definition, they were formed at the same time. You can’t have a mode of existence called a long wave cycle unless you also have a short wave cycle to compare it to.

You say in the above quote that you don’t think anyone is suggesting that there is only one short wave cycle - the one the C’s said “was formed” … “when the group mind of souls chose (in the context of the questions, humans) to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.” But it sounded like that is what you were saying in your discussion with bozadi.

So you are not saying that?

If there are and have been infinite long and short wave cycles for different groups across all densities, then the one that was formed ‘by us’ doesn’t need to be newer than a long wave cycle, if there have always been both.

 

[axj]

The long wave and short wave cycles are a duality, therefore by definition, they were formed at the same time.

What is this based on? Did the C's say that? There being only two modes of existence now does not necessarily mean that both were formed at the same time. We do not have a definitive answer to this at this point, only different theories.

You say in the above quote that you don’t think anyone is suggesting that there is only one short wave cycle - the one the C’s said “was formed” … “when the group mind of souls chose (in the context of the questions, humans) to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.” But it sounded like that is what you were saying in your discussion with bozadi.

I don't think that the short wave cycle was formed just for humans. I think that the C's were talking about the overall short wave cycle having been formed at some point as a "faster" alternative to the long wave cycle that existed already, but that is just my theory.