How do those who are mentally impaired achieve soul expansion?

[TyBiggs85]

I don't know exactly what topic to put this post under and I'm not sure if something similar to this has been posted on the forum before, at least not from what I've seen.

My question is, how do those unfortunate individuals who were born mentally handicapped such as: Down syndrome, schizophrenia, or other various mental disorders, consciously achieve a raising of their awareness? Is their soul consciously impaired or is it just the body and mind they posess? Do they have to wait for another lifetime to find higher awareness? It seems very unfair to me, which poses the question also, did they choose this body because they did not learn the necessary lessons in past life's? And obviously why woukd an individual choose a body that is mentally inpaired? I'm very interested in finding out this info and if anyone has researched this and found any answers. Thanks

 

[anart]

I don't know exactly what topic to put this post under and I'm not sure if something similar to this has been posted on the forum before, at least not from what I've seen.

My question is, how do those unfortunate individuals who were born mentally handicapped such as: Down syndrome, schizophrenia, or other various mental disorders, consciously achieve a raising of their awareness? Is their soul consciously impaired or is it just the body and mind they posess? Do they have to wait for another lifetime to find higher awareness? It seems very unfair to me, which poses the question also, did they choose this body because they did not learn the necessary lessons in past life's? And obviously why woukd an individual choose a body that is mentally inpaired? I'm very interested in finding out this info and if anyone has researched this and found any answers. Thanks

I don't think anyone here would profess to have an answer for such a question. I, however, think it's really no different from anyone else - all there is is lessons and the soul remembers. You seem to be trapped in a bit of linear 3D thinking, as if one lifetime defines soul content - it doesn't - and all there is is lessons. fwiw.

 

[TOTEM36]

I don't know exactly what topic to put this post under and I'm not sure if something similar to this has been posted on the forum before, at least not from what I've seen.

My question is, how do those unfortunate individuals who were born mentally handicapped such as: Down syndrome, schizophrenia, or other various mental disorders, consciously achieve a raising of their awareness? Is their soul consciously impaired or is it just the body and mind they posess? Do they have to wait for another lifetime to find higher awareness? It seems very unfair to me, which poses the question also, did they choose this body because they did not learn the necessary lessons in past life's? And obviously why woukd an individual choose a body that is mentally inpaired? I'm very interested in finding out this info and if anyone has researched this and found any answers. Thanks

Yes, a bit of linear thinking is at play. Each week I work with regular long-term clients with D.S. schizo, autism, aspergers, I.D., Cerebral Palsy, M.Dystrophy, I am forced to think about this issue often.

First, you mentioned about choosing the body. There is the debate about is the creation of a handicapped body as a random thing that happens to indiviuals or is it Karmic/chosen thing by individuals. The answer is all of the above, sometimes it is probably just a random occurance due to environmental toxins or mothers diet?, and sometimes it is probably a karmic event - there is no one size fits all. I think these types of debates are resolved with the understanding that life contains both possibilities (the random and the karmic).

Second, you mentioned consciously achieving a high-raising of awareness. Some handicapped individuals have seriously high intellects and are very organised and knowledgable, especially those with high-spectrum autism. Some of the most intellectual conversations i have had are with autistic people, who are fascinated with psychological topics and the 'why this? why that? type of questions, - it is really great! But once again some autistics dont know what is going on. I think alot of handicapped individuals have great conscious awareness it is just that their body that is not good at communicating this to us. But once again you cannot make generalisations. Their is every variation you can imagine- including those who are trapped in their handicapped body in a bad way, im sure- but I trust it is all growth. I admire them for the challenges they have to face.

 

[Voyageur]

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I think alot of handicapped individuals have great conscious awareness it is just that their body that is not good at communicating this to us. But once again you cannot make generalisations. Their is every variation you can imagine- including those who are trapped in their handicapped body in a bad way, im sure- but I trust it is all growth. I admire them for the challenges they have to face.
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My uncle is severely handicapped, most people give him a wide berth and would never take the time or interest to see and hear what he is all about. Inside his wreaked body there is indeed a remarkable man of conscious awareness. Don't think many people can imagine what to him their ignoring distance means. Ones physicality equates much to our programs and much is lost that for many is never recognizable. In our society, yes, their challenges are great, yet not as great as our ignorance's which don't even bother to communicate.

 

[Laura]

I don't think we can make that kind of call. The only kind we can make is to evaluate behavior. There are people who are psychologically impaired and/or mentally ill who behave viciously and destructively. There are also people with various brain and psychological issues that get labeled who are beautiful, kind, loving people.

I think it might be actions, behavior, and impact on those around them that is key whether they can do "the work" or not.

 

[TyBiggs85]

I don't know exactly what topic to put this post under and I'm not sure if something similar to this has been posted on the forum before, at least not from what I've seen.

My question is, how do those unfortunate individuals who were born mentally handicapped such as: Down syndrome, schizophrenia, or other various mental disorders, consciously achieve a raising of their awareness? Is their soul consciously impaired or is it just the body and mind they posess? Do they have to wait for another lifetime to find higher awareness? It seems very unfair to me, which poses the question also, did they choose this body because they did not learn the necessary lessons in past life's? And obviously why woukd an individual choose a body that is mentally inpaired? I'm very interested in finding out this info and if anyone has researched this and found any answers. Thanks

Yes, a bit of linear thinking is at play. Each week I work with regular long-term clients with D.S. schizo, autism, aspergers, I.D., Cerebral Palsy, M.Dystrophy, I am forced to think about this issue often.

First, you mentioned about choosing the body. There is the debate about is the creation of a handicapped body as a random thing that happens to indiviuals or is it Karmic/chosen thing by individuals. The answer is all of the above, sometimes it is probably just a random occurance due to environmental toxins or mothers diet?, and sometimes it is probably a karmic event - there is no one size fits all. I think these types of debates are resolved with the understanding that life contains both possibilities (the random and the karmic).

Second, you mentioned consciously achieving a high-raising of awareness. Some handicapped individuals have seriously high intellects and are very organised and knowledgable, especially those with high-spectrum autism. Some of the most intellectual conversations i have had are with autistic people, who are fascinated with psychological topics and the 'why this? why that? type of questions, - it is really great! But once again some autistics dont know what is going on. I think alot of handicapped individuals have great conscious awareness it is just that their body that is not good at communicating this to us. But once again you cannot make generalisations. Their is every variation you can imagine- including those who are trapped in their handicapped body in a bad way, im sure- but I trust it is all growth. I admire them for the challenges they have to face.

I admire them as well for the challenges they face. I admit I did not take into account how intellectually sound some autistic individuals are, not to mention those mentally impaired that are savants in music, math or various other skills.

I am still learning how to not think linear, as we all are I would imagine, and it is somewhat overwhelming sometimes to think how complex the universe really is from a 3D perspective that I've known my whole life. I really was just trying to see things from their perspective and I was imagining how incredibly challenging that would be. Whether it is karmic instances or just arbitrary, I realize that we can't research something like that, that is beyond our 3d understanding, yet. As y'all said you can only observe the behavior and learn from it. That is great advice, that I will utilize going forward.

 

[Franco]

You should not forget the Organic Portals and karma when considering the hardships of a humans life.

If psychopaths are defective OPs then that could apply to any other seriously defective human.

 

[Kisito]

Hello, when I was 2 years old I had rheumatisms which lasted during 1 year, when I was 11 eleven years old I still had rheumatisms and it in lasted on another one year. I thought that it shall last all my life. The same year I began in stuttered a lot. At the school I was a dunce, the last one of the class, I was a physically handicapped person, when I walked the pupils laughed at me. All my articulations made me suffer and I could not write any more. When I spoke, I mean stuttering, the pupils laughed of me. People thought that I was a physically handicapped person and mental. My father beat me because that I worked bad on the school. I don't want to make you cry, my story nothing is compared with Laura. But when I was 12 the years I had none hope, either that to have a good job, or one day to re-walk, or even to be able to speak suitably. I was in this sad (time) period, but I wanted to live above all, I do not know why, I thought a lot, I don't know if I enough learnt, but it calmed me. And this question bound in handicap, it's the subject that I had posted on November 15th "Handicaps, choice or attaks?"
Because it seemed to me besides the fact that there is always a lesson, that it could also correspond maybe to attacks STS intra-uterine. When my mother was encircled with me, in four months of gestation she lost its waters of baby. The doctor had to make her a hooping, so that she doesn't lose the child (I). Persons are going to explain that there was a neuronal disorder which gave these handicap, but this doesn't explain the accident? So I was circumcised at the age of two. A few days later I had rheumatisms! But I am not psychopathic :) Is not there anybody who can believe that handicap them can be bound to attacks of 4D STS?

 

[Voyageur]

I don't think we can make that kind of call. The only kind we can make is to evaluate behavior. There are people who are psychologically impaired and/or mentally ill who behave viciously and destructively. There are also people with various brain and psychological issues that get labeled who are beautiful, kind, loving people.

I think it might be actions, behavior, and impact on those around them that is key whether they can do "the work" or not.

Yes very true, don't think it could not be otherwise.

Suppose it is like on occasion with able bodied people afflicted with Alzheimer’s disease that some revert to child like qualities while others start to exhibit extreme nastiness. I’m not sure exactly why this is, yet it seems possible that their inner behaviours surface from beneath a mask they have worn during their life. If asking questions about such a person to family members or friends, sometimes what they say correlates to exactly what behaviors manifests, maybe because there is little active consciousness left to govern their mask. Conversely, you can spend time with someone and not notice anything and suddenly when not sober for instance, these same behaviors become apparent or they are the opposite. There could be much wounding in their lives or other impairment factors that account for this too.

 

[Laura]

Kisito, sometimes physical suffering is chosen at some level. By making the body less active, the mind and spirit grows and develops more abundantly. Then, possibly, the mind can overcome the physical suffering with knowledge and will. That is one of the reasons we came to the diet we practice: by doing the research in an attempt to end physical suffering. But it all works in tandem. I wouldn't have been inclined to seek to assist others in their suffering if I hadn't suffered myself.

 

[Nancy2feathers]

I can honestly say that the true persona is revealed in my parents case, who both have Alzheimer`s Disease. My Mother is happy-go-lucky so to speak and my Father is a real bleep of a bleep. He`s full of anger and rage and has been using me to take it out on. He has a life time of mental issues and drug addiction (doctor perscribed). They are together in a health care facility (for four months now). My Mother`s dementia is worse than my Father`s. She grings her teeth constantly. I beleive it`s from the stress of living with my Father. I`m wondering if there`s hope for my Father. Is it the meds he`s been taking all his life that`s making him this way or is it his real essence?

I can only express how the Paleo Diet then the Ketogenic Diet and EE have helped me handle the stress my body and mind have been through with dealing with my parents. Along with doing the Work, I can see my parent`s behavior in a different light and how their behavior affected me over my lifetime. I`m working on myself as I do the Work.

A Big Thank You Laura.

 

[Nancy2feathers]

To add to my above post: I meant to say in the beginning, I can honestly say, in my opinion....

 

[benbuehne]

I forget the article but there is a scientific study that shows some high functioning Mammals as containing a portion of the brain that we believe to essentially be the soul based on most research. This includes dogs and cats. I completely should have bookmarked that one but I did not.

Here is what I could find with a quick search.
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2009226383_dogs16.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/do-we-have-a-soul-a-scien_b_850804.html

Essentially I recall reading something along the lines of what we believe to be a the biological equivalent of the soul to exist in other animals.

Now it's certainly a leap to go from an animal to a mentally impaired human and I don't want to say that they are the same thing but similar questions arise and there seems to be more research into animals in this regard than there would be to humans with impairment (this would be unethical).

In terms of some traditional eastern religions then they would need to work their way to a portal capable of this type of event. If you look at the soul from a western point of view there is much more trouble... because it's one and done. Can we except that an all powerful being would doom such souls from the starts?

On the other hand, you could make an argument that such beings... dogs and cats... the mentally impaired... may have an easier time with soul expansion. They certainly seem to prioritize their lives according to a non-ponerized philosophy as a natural state much easier than many extremely high intellect and high functioning people I know. They care about people... they love... they show loyalty... they don't have much concern for money or power or institution. You have to wonder if maybe we need to listen to them more...

I have no point... just trying to add to the conversation.

Regards...

 

[melatonin]

Id say this partially applys to me.
I have serious PTSD, which means i have so little mental energy to read and reasearch, which is so important
Ive always wondered the same thing regarding myself, which is why i found this topic intresting reading.
Although ive always believed im here learning lessons and never questioned how important everything i do is. (Even if it doesnt seem that way)

 

[whitecoast]

This brings me back to the analogy of the C's (or whoever creates and balances things up there) being the tuners of instruments in the cosmic orchestra, and it's the charge of virtuous beings to play our instrument as well as we can amid all the distractions. Maybe someone with down syndrome has more theoretical limitations than you do, but then again we all have limitations. It's how well we work with them that determines harvestability, OSIT. Not what's handed to us.