How do those who are mentally impaired achieve soul expansion?

[mkrnhr]

Hello whitecoast,
The orchestra analogy was introduced in the session of February 23rd, 2002 http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18686.0.html . I don't see a instance pointing to the C's being tuners of instruments or creators. Do you have another reference for that analogy? From what I understand, we are, as consciousness units, the tuners of the instruments we play in the universe, and the Work may be seen as that fine-tuning in order to align a given partition related to ourselves in the future.

Edit: link to the session transcript.

 

[Jones]

I don't think soul expansion is just a mental work. I'm sure I've read somewhere that the path lies in the feeling centre - though could be off on this. I'm not however denying that the ability to learn and develop the mind is a huge asset to the speed at which this process may take.

In comparison to humans most dogs generally have the reptilian brain and the mammalian brain, which to me correspond to the instinctive/moving, and the emotional centres, but do not have the more complex neurology represented by the intellectual centre, or at least not to the same degree. One trainer that I was listening to made the assertion that most dogs would never achieve the intellectual abilities of the average 5 year old human.

Many in the dog world refer to dogs as hedonists - only doing that which feels good or avoiding that which feels bad. The thing about this however is that what feels good to one dog can feel bad or neutral to another. What a dog will choose to do in any given event is dependent on genetics, previous learning and current circumstances.

One of the nine instintive behavioural systems in dogs is 'care seeking behaviour'. If a dog is a backyard pet that hardly gets any attention but you seek out the company of that dog when you are upset and it percieves that you are giving it attention at that time, then any behaviours that we may anthropomorphise (attribute to human motivations) may simply be conditioned responses. Or more simply put, you being upset can be a cue to the dog that it will get attention and the resulting behaviours are basically how the dog is accepting and attempting to encourage those attention giving behaviours from you - or the dog is rewarding your behaviour and training you . Not unlike that of an Organic Portal if I'm understanding correctly. In other words - purely self serving. However, that doesn't preclude the fact that some dogs can and do show compassion and empathy without any indication from historical evidence that this is a conditioned response. So I guess that means, that just like humans dogs can have a genetic profile that leans towards either an STS or STO path in the absence of the possibility of a developed intellectual centre.

With all of the above in mind, I believe that soul expansion is indeed possible in the mentally impaired - it just may not happen as fast.

 

[Turgon]

I don't think we can make that kind of call. The only kind we can make is to evaluate behavior. There are people who are psychologically impaired and/or mentally ill who behave viciously and destructively. There are also people with various brain and psychological issues that get labeled who are beautiful, kind, loving people.

I think it might be actions, behavior, and impact on those around them that is key whether they can do "the work" or not.

Definitely agree. I've worked with develop-mentally challenged people and even though there are impediments at certain levels, in other way's, especially from an emotional standpoint some are very highly developed. Two in particular stand out for me as contrasting behaviours. One boy had autism and he was still the happiest kid you'd ever see, always wanting to open and close doors for the sheer joy of it. He would come up and hug me and loved playing with my ears. It was enough to melt away any rigid defenses and armor I put up and almost made me teary-eyed a few times. There was this innocent playfulness about him that was just incredible to watch.

And at the other end I used to interact with an adult (not sure what his particular mental impairment was) and he was just a ball of rage and fury. He would give these piercing looks of malice that would make my skin crawl.

So even though the boy with autism had trouble communicating himself through language, he communicated his emotion's incredibly well to the point that most 'normal' people today wouldn't even dream of having. Me included! So how does one determine what soul expansion really is? I think emotional growth is super important, probably more so than strictly the development of the intellect. And if I believe that to be true, than I have more to learn from this boy who is 'unfortunate' due to his handicaps or whatever then him from me, osit.

 

[TOTEM36]

he communicated his emotion's incredibly well to the point that most 'normal' people today wouldn't even dream of having. Me included! So how does one determine what soul expansion really is? I think emotional growth is super important, probably more so than strictly the development of the intellect. And if I believe that to be true, than I have more to learn from this boy who is 'unfortunate' due to his handicaps or whatever then him from me, osit.

That is true about their emotional communication style ie. "Dont say that!" and can shut people down fast. They can also be very obedient and respectful of your boundaries when provided with clear and sensible reasoning as to why something makes you feel unhappy / or stops you from concentrating. But then there are those as you mentioned on the lower spectrum who's reasoning is absent and are really destructive to everyone and themselves. Like Laura was saying this would probably be the indicator of whether they are capable of doing 'the work' or not.

 

[whitecoast]

Hello whitecoast,
The orchestra analogy was introduced in the session of February 23rd, 2002 http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18686.0.html . I don't see a instance pointing to the C's being tuners of instruments or creators. Do you have another reference for that analogy? From what I understand, we are, as consciousness units, the tuners of the instruments we play in the universe, and the Work may be seen as that fine-tuning in order to align a given partition related to ourselves in the future.

Edit: link to the session transcript.

Thanks for bringing up the specific session mkrnhr! Perhaps I misunderstood the analogy in some form, or confused the sheet music with the tuning. Here's the part that made me think of the higher density forces choosing the incarnation/experience they send "them in the past" to explore.

Q: (L) So it is by agreement. (A) What is by agreement? (L) To be in the orchestra, frequency resonance envelope. (B) Not only to be, but to play within those parameters. (L) Who gets to pick what gets played?

A: Ah! There's the rub!

Q: (B) That means it's up for grabs. Which is why they're interested in us grounding a certain frequency resonance so STS doesn't.

A: No, you don't get to pick the selection at this level. But you in the future does. The question is: How well do you play, and can you play true if the others don't?

Q: (M) That's the second time they said that. (R) Yeah, okay, so in essence, that means what we are doing now is assembling the orchestra before the concert, and tuning the instruments. (L) Have you ever sat in the concert hall when they were getting ready, warming up? (J) It's chaos. (L) It is. (R) But after awhile it starts getting tuned. But that's what this is all about - the whole Cassiopaean Communication. Were not playing yet. We're just tuning. (L) Yeah. (JN) So if our level of consciousness creates the barriers of where this wave can go and how it behaves, can we ... (R) No, No. No. Excuse me for interrupting. Our level of consciousness doesn't create the barriers, it's only aware of those barriers. It can see, okay, what are the barriers: "oh these are the barriers. I can see, okay. So here's what I get to play." But if your awareness grows, then you get to see an array of barriers. "Okay I want to play with this bigger one. I can play with the smaller ones if I want to, but I have the awareness to see other barriers that are more extensive." (L) I think that the concept that we have a hard time grasping is that - going with the analogy - the musical selection is made, more or less. We at some level - us in the future - have chosen what instrument to play, what part to play. And so, the options that we really have now are: how well we play, how loud we play, how in tune we play with others; can we practice, can we stay in tune, can we do any numbers of these things? And even if we find ourselves sitting next to some jerk who can't carry a tune, and whose instrument is all screwed up, can we still continue to play true? Because even though the rest of the orchestra, being heard from a distance, may sound quite melodic, because we are sitting next to this guy who can't play, it is possible for us to be distracted - pulled off track - and then to distract the guy on the other side of us, leading to general chaos. (R) It's about focus. (L) Yeah. I'm getting tired. (A) I have still a question, because all the discussion around this computer modeling, whether it can be helpful or should be developed, or can lead to something; and all these spirals and barriers; they are all about, it's a standard, there are no events, there are no detectors yet. My idea was that it is the detectors which make events which make the wave collapse. Until now, in all our simulations, there is no collapse and no jumps. And yet we speak about consciousness, while there is this other concept that it is consciousness that makes the wave collapse. Okay. So I see a contradiction and I don't know how to get out of this contradiction. There is no collapse, and yet there was some encouragement that what we have relates to ...

A: The music is on the page long before it is played.

Q: (R) So, when the orchestra starts playing you have the musical notes, the timing instructions. Right. So it's the same music. You can play over and over again. But the difference is how well the orchestra plays and how well it is tuned. Okay, so one implication can be that ...

A: The FRE is the notes on the page. It is the selection. The "playing" constitutes "events." Frequency resonant envelope: FRE.

Sorry for sidetracking the thread on this :/

 

[TyBiggs85]

Excellent replies on this topic. I have a whole new perspective on the matter of soul expansion. My initial post, was definitely flawed by 3D linear thinking. But that's the best way to learn is to make mistakes, while not being mislead by disinformation. Also, I did not take into account that, whether an individual has learning disabilities or not, the advancement of our souls is not solely based on intellectual advancement, but also the evolving of our emotional being as well. I think psychopaths are the perfect archetype of an emotionally challenged being. While they are excellent actors, they are extremely apathetic to the average human's emotional well-being. But I do appreciate the incite into those that have mental impairments and how wonderful those human beings can be, and the struggles they face.

 

[supriyanoel]

My Godmother, who recently decided to leave her body, was diagnosed with Dementia at age 75. She passed on at 84, and the years during were like a light that went off inside, allowing her to communicate very honestly, with less of a filter, and only in the moment. This sadly embarrassed her suppressed, and less than compassionate family, yet her spirit soared with a range of expression, emotion, clarity that was previously hidden.What great conversations we had, as her family kept reinforcing to me that its useless to talk to her! The problem was their inability to communicate mindfully on the best of their healthy days. She ate very little all her life and had serious amounts of energy, a lot of it dedicated to gardening, healing birds, and worked in a corporate environs all her life. Dementia opened her up it seems, and her highly functional children i.e. robots who speak in monosyllables, were at a loss as to how to deal with her. Her dog died, they refused to get her another or have company for her,she got lonely since she was limited in many ways now, and told me there was nothing left. She had no one to touch or reach out to, no compassionate human or animal body language to connect to. She walked out on her lawn, collapsed and died 2 days later. I watched her grow, from 72 0n, in such an expansive and expressive way, no matter what most of the world said. I also got to see these people and their lack of insight.compassion, and inability to see anything off about their own behavior. I was privy to seeing her spirit shine through big,bold and bright. I now am the keeper of her birds, as they were neglected, and cousin threatened to let them fly away. Sorry for the presentation, as I am still learning.

 

[Voyageur]

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...and told me there was nothing left. She had no one to touch or reach out to, no compassionate human or animal body language to connect to. She walked out on her lawn, collapsed and died 2 days later. I watched her grow, from 72 0n, in such an expansive and expressive way, no matter what most of the world said. I also got to see these people and their lack of insight.compassion, and inability to see anything off about their own behavior. I was privy to seeing her spirit shine through big,bold and bright. I now am the keeper of her birds, as they were neglected, and cousin threatened to let them fly away. Sorry for the presentation, as I am still learning.
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No need to be sorry, seems she had you and what you discerned, and now you are helping to keep her loved birds. Thanks for sharing what you saw and felt and my she shine always.