How do you know that a piece of music (after the 70s) is not corrupted ?

[Flore]

Hi guys !

In the end of the session of june 13, 2015 the C’s said :
A: The 70's were the time of development of such concepts and technologies. The 80's were the period when implementation became more widespread. At present 90 percent of broadcast music has corrupting elements.
Q: (Pierre) So we have to listen to old music. Music from before the 70's. Or classical music.

And I was wondering how you can recognize a music from the 70s to today that is not corrupt ?
Do you have an idea?
Can we ask the C’s or it wouldn’t be relevant?
And one remark comes to me : I suppose the corrupting elements are by the 4D STS. Right ?

Flore

 

[Natus Videre]

For me, when the music sticks in my head the moment I listen to it, it's usually a sign that there are corrupting elements. Pop music is notorious for its catchy and repetitive patterns; it irritates me, I can't stand it, but I can recall nearly all of it. On the other hand, I have listened to a lot of classical music, but I don't remember how symphonies sound like until I hear an excerpt! For example, right now, if you were to ask me how Beethoven's 9th Symphony sounds like, I would have no idea, alhough I listened to it many, many times!

 

[broken.english]

And I was wondering how you can recognize a music from the 70s to today that is not corrupt ?
Do you have an idea?

The first step is awareness and listening to one's senses. For me it seems to be quite easy. What happens first is that I have a strong wish to turn off certain types of music. And I am developing a tension headache when exposed to corrupted music for longer time.

And one remark comes to me : I suppose the corrupting elements are by the 4D STS. Right ?

Yes, the good guys don't try and program people.

 

[Flore]

For me, when the music sticks in my head the moment I listen to it, it's usually a sign that there are corrupting elements. Pop music is notorious for its catchy and repetitive patterns; it irritates me, I can't stand it, but I can recall nearly all of it. On the other hand, I have listened to a lot of classical music, but I don't remember how symphonies sound like until I hear an excerpt! For example, right now, if you were to ask me how Beethoven's 9th Symphony sounds like, I would have no idea, alhough I listened to it many, many times!

Wow ! It’s so true, now that you say it ! Indeed, since I reread this session a few months ago, I started to listen to classical music and I am unable to remember it as soon as I stop listening ! However, for today’s music, it is not the same.

The first step is awareness and listening to one's senses. For me it seems to be quite easy. What happens first is that I have a strong wish to turn off certain types of music. And I am developing a tension headache when exposed to corrupted music for longer time.

I see what you mean. Some music makes me uncomfortable too, makes me frown. Literally. I have no headaches but an uncontrollable desire to put them out.

So, thanks guys for your answers, now I know how to recognize good music. I’d be more careful about what I feel when I listen to it.

 

[axj]

Some music makes me uncomfortable too, makes me frown. Literally. I have no headaches but an uncontrollable desire to put them out.

I also find that a lot or most of modern music has a sort of jarring quality to it, almost like a cutting dissonance in the background of the music.

Though not sure if this applies only to music from the big labels or to independent musicians as well (maybe not).

Also, I avoid all the "Remasters" releases of older albums, since it is more than likely that these have been corrupted as well.

 

[Flore]

Also, I avoid all the "Remasters" releases of older albums, since it is more than likely that these have been corrupted as well.

I totally agree, I avoid them too.

 

[Ricardo]

(...)
And I was wondering how you can recognize a music from the 70s to today that is not corrupt ?
(...)

I always assume otherwise , unless hearing music "live " or directly from a vynil + gramophone , most of it goes through some sort of digital processing after all.

 

[Flore]

I always assume otherwise , unless hearing music "live " or directly from a vynil + gramophone , most of it goes through some sort of digital processing after all.

Yes, I think too. By the way, I try to listen to music on CDs (I don't have vinyls), which seems to me the least compressed, unlike MP3s and others that I avoid as much as possible.

 

[dredger]

Hello @Flore

What came to my mind was a little french sentence (as i think in french ...) : "Penses au refrain" (think about refrain/chorus)
I think it's a good sign. How many % of actual music has a refrain ? More than ... let's say 95% ? (if we count the rap in them, it could be between 90 to 95%)

Pushing further the topic, i would say :
It's not because there is a refrain that it's bad, but it looks like a mean to make the "message" enter people's head, like propaganda. Bad one as good one. In both cases, we can logically conclude that there's a certain influence in play there.

I take as an example the 2 bands i like a lot : Archive and Muse.
Muse is more classic, all their songs (at least i think) have refrains, but they spread a positive message. Muse is what i like to see "a fighter group", which fight for the good sake of mankind and using the same ... let's say method (using classic song structure with a refrain).
For Archive, they created a good couple of songs without refrain, +/- 15% to 20% of their songs are not using refrains. Like Pink Floyd, but i was too young to listen to them when they were much known (ie: i do not know very well Pink Floyd). Here, during the 70ies, almost half of their songs did not have refrains, what we named "alternative rock" (progressive / experimental).

From my point of view, such songs have quite more "meanings" when you are in tune with them, and when it's the case, listening to it looks for me like making a voyage, an odyssey in my thoughts and other areas i can't much describe here.

Of course, i can't help to link one master piece of Archive which had and still have a great influence on me, it's my preferred song from them. The funny fact here is that the name of the song is "Again" - like refrains which are repeated again and again. Here's the YT link to long version of it. For those who have a good 15m spare in front of them do not hesitate to (enjoy to) listen to it (just did it, but from a local mp3 )

Just to precise : I asked grok to make me some evaluations in order to give +/- correct pourcentages.
In its examples it mentionned about "Stan" from Eminen, "Pyramid song" from Radiohead, or "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" from Neutral Milk Hotel (didn't know at all about since today ^^)

Again, what i wrote here is "FWIW" :)

 

[Ricardo]

( fwiiw ,don't get me wrong , i still listen to music , it moves me after all , just try not to get attached to anything about it , not easy but if i indulge i try and keep as such , we are where we are after all )

 

[palestine]

Now that you mentioned Pink Floyd, it reminds me of a live - "Delicate sound of thunder":

There is something very creative in it, and I see that they jump from various "kinds of styles" to another. They remain on a line, but it's very warm overall. Very humane.

As well, the main guy has an important role, it seems. It could be that one key to analyze is the "lead artist" - and the musicians as well. We may look at it's clothes and if the lead artists pertains to a trend, we would discard it. But that wouldn't be an absolute. Just a hint.

This is an interesting topic

 

[Breo]

Great topic. Thank you, guys for the inspirational ideas, how to discern.
What I do, since the C´s mentioned this about music, I also check how my body reacts when listening to music, all the subtle sensations. If the body starts to get eg. tensed, stressed, dull, lazy or looses energy, I stop listening. Often the reaction is quite subtle. Mostly I find myself listening to classical and old folk music, as it energizes, focuses and inspires me.

 

[brandon]

It is an interesting topic.. I wonder how much of the corrupting influences are put into music by people (whether intentionally/knowingly, or just because the artists themselves are "corrupt" so it's just part of the nature of their music or lyrics.), and how much of it is, for example....4D STS modulation of electronic signals, or because of the way modern recording equipment works, etc, ie - something we could never really detect, but like invisible signals in the recordings themselves.

So how much difference in corruption level would there be between a studio recording, vs seeing the same song performed live? How much difference on electric/amplified vs acoustic instruments? How much difference between listening on a big old 70s hifi system vs a smartphone speaker?

I've been playing flutes for a couple years and find myself increasingly allergic to recorded music of any kind. I do still love lots of it. There's plenty of creative, positive and soulful modern music, from all different countries! It's just not the famous stuff we hear on the TV/radio. But listening to recordings is so different from listening to sound being created in the room with you. After live acoustic sounds, it feels grating until I listen for long enough to get used to it again... Also I've been introducing my baby son to different music and so hearing it with "new ears", and - well, music I loved from the 1990s which I always felt was so much more soulfull than later music - now when I hear it and compare to stuff from the early 80s or earlier, even that "good" 90s music sounds so colourless! Not all of it, but lots.. It's often due to the music composition itself, but I wonder if also due to the recording style.

I think the reason orchestral music might not as easily stick in your head is just because it can be much more complex... I grew up with parents who played in an orchestra, and me having to spend hours and hours hanging around at all their rehearsals.. orchestral music can definitely become stuck in your head :)

 

[ivanb]

I am quite selective when it comes to music, not so much the genres but their quality, that I judge by how it make me feel.
Strangely enough I did not trust pop music when I was a kid in concept even though I had my favorite bands I listened to for comfort and enjoyment, that defined my youth.
Many years later I some how found my self working for the music industry and had friends who where connected to that circle of well known artists we all recognize.
Having been an observer of people I had quickly learned how that industry operates. It's a vary large enterprise whose scope is not just entertainment, but the financing of an industry adept at entrainment. The model that defines the music business requires besides many talented people to bring the productions together, sadly many who either tow the line or are skilled in social engineering, often the artists themselves are small cogs in the digital machine, and simply no more then contrived personas. And of course there are those many gifted artist that we appreciate, who have vary large followings.
When I realized the influence it had on the youth, and I'm referring to what appeared to be strangely diabolical lyrics and imagery from the accompanying videos, I changed occupation. I'm not jaded in the least, I just moved on.
There are so many incredible artists from around the world, sadly not well known, who may be discovered through the web fortunately.
I often find my self listening to what attracts my mood, from cumbia to Gregorian and everything in between.
An old pristine vinyl recording in analogue on an old quality sound system often transports me back to that intimate studio recording. Or I may listen to a good tape recordings I made of archaic singing by a tribal elder from the Shipibo tribe that reminds me how to hold space.
If the music lifts my sole and inspires creativity or enhances my feelings of joy or sadness or inspiration, I know the music is symbiotic and liberating. If the music encourages the celebration and love for humanity, or all life for that matter, I know the intent of the music is Good and the energy transcends any limits we may feel bounded by.
"Music is life itself" --Louis Armstrong-

 

[Alma.Innovadora]

but I don't remember how symphonies sound like until I hear an excerpt! For example, right now, if you were to ask me how Beethoven's 9th Symphony sounds like, I would have no idea, alhough I listened to it many, many times!

Well, it will also depend on the predominance of your emotions. There's a reason they say music reaches the soul.

What kind of music have you listened to, depending on your age, experiences, bad times and good times, etc.? What content has that music had? Rock for anger, ballads for sadness, romantic songs for heartbreak, motivation to "lift yourself up" according to your emotional state at a particular moment of weakness or celebration? How have you identified with the content of a particular song at some point in your life?

Emotions, know your emotions, and you'll know who you're singing and dancing for.

I haven't listened to music for years, but not to avoid anything; I simply haven't had any reason to. But when I was younger, in the 90s, everyone knew Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Korn, Blink 182, etc.—pure rock, punk rock, and everything related to youthful immaturity. The funny thing is, I didn't know English and didn't have a translator, so I didn't know what it was saying, except for a few words I could translate. But what I understood was the melody. Just listening to the melody connected that energy with the chaos that was within me. Now that I know the lyrics, I'm surprised I heard those kinds of thoughts transformed into songs. I still like their rhythms, but I don't identify with them, so I listen to them without them getting in the way emotionally.

That's why "catchiness" seems to transcend our senses and we feel drawn to it without having to know the lyrics. Perhaps that's why classical music has a greater impact on an internal level. It's not a "lyric," it's something in the rhythm, the power, the intention transformed into a melody.

So we have to lower the volume of our emotions according to the type of music (laughs).

I have 486 classical music files by Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Mozart, and Vivaldi. I don't even remember why I downloaded them, and I can't say it's because I liked them. It just connects with me, but not like commercial music, not because it stirs emotions. Quite the opposite. It's like a "mind-blank" effect, but in terms of emotions.

I'm actually seeing it right now thanks to your post. I used to listen to it while working on my computer. Today is a good time (laughs).

just try not to get attached to anything about it ,

A look back at what we were back then. Consider the journey, the fun experience, and not as pain or regret. Moments, just that.