How is the World Going to End in 2012?
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Lycan
The Force is Strong With This One
Re: The last article of Laura
Yeah, if making deeper sense of it it really does reflect on that. I was aiming on the work on oneself but your proposition in the deeper meaning of it makes much sense. Dealing with reality, doing work on it reflects on consciousness, ergo water stays clear because pool is being cleaned...
Laura said:
Yeah, if making deeper sense of it it really does reflect on that. I was aiming on the work on oneself but your proposition in the deeper meaning of it makes much sense. Dealing with reality, doing work on it reflects on consciousness, ergo water stays clear because pool is being cleaned...
nofretete1969
Padawan Learner
Re: The last article of Laura
Everything which I could note is that the supervirus already did the work - it assimilated all good attributes in bad. Psychopatic behavior is our ice age - social ice age.
Sorry for that hard words but every day I can see that. Even older humans told me they see this way to survive. Ruthlessness, ability to put up a fight and lack of understanding.
This hurts so much.
Everything which I could note is that the supervirus already did the work - it assimilated all good attributes in bad. Psychopatic behavior is our ice age - social ice age.
Sorry for that hard words but every day I can see that. Even older humans told me they see this way to survive. Ruthlessness, ability to put up a fight and lack of understanding.
This hurts so much.
S
Sirius
Guest
Re: The last article of Laura
Interesting thought. In the end, it could mean both: physical and psychic cold. A mirror?
Interesting thought. In the end, it could mean both: physical and psychic cold. A mirror?
Re: The last article of Laura
No, it can be bi-directional and that return signal can be stronger or weaker depending on 1) the individual's fundamental nature; 2) how much mastery of himself the individual has.
There is limbic resonance, for example. But a person who is - more or less - master of himself can be aware of that resonance and factor it into his observations of how he feels and thinks.
A good way to understand it is to study the nature of the individual both on the machine and the developed level. If you understand the machine, you can then understand the many feedback loops that people get into individually and collectively. Much more complex is the study of the individual who has achieved some mastery of himself and is neither influenced by this limbic resonance, nor does he allow his own emotions/psychic emanations to contribute to it without some control.
And keep in mind, please, that much of this resonance is fundamentally physical/physiological - this is not some mystical aetheric thing. And that is not to say that the aetheric influences do not exist or affect us; they do. But most of the negative stuff that is being "beamed" is of a purely physical nature, and it is physical structures in the body that vibrate in synch with it, inducing brain chemistry changes which change the state of the machine and that then cascades UP into the psychic realms IF the individual is undeveloped. A developed individual will be aware when their machine is out of kilter, that they are subject to these frequencies, and will factor that into their defenses. For example, when my daughter was ill, she slept under a silk tent and she could notice distinctly the difference. She wasn't a believer, either... she fussed and railed as I put that tent up... but after a few trials, she saw the value of it.
Oh, indeed it does! Better to read "Strangers to Ourselves" and "Thinking, fast and slow" in order to learn how MUCH it applies to the human machine. But there is a difference between people not only in terms of whether or not they are developed, but what they have to work with in the beginning: the psychophysiological substratum. Pavlov wrote quite a bit about this in terms of temperament. Some people can NEVER master themselves because of inherent substratum weaknesses. And some of the strongest can be broken down by illness or wounding.
See above: the difference is in being HUMAN and having the possibility of being a REAL human. But it is only a possibility until it is developed, and it is not even possible for many due mainly to the genetic throw of the dice.
David Topi said:
No, it can be bi-directional and that return signal can be stronger or weaker depending on 1) the individual's fundamental nature; 2) how much mastery of himself the individual has.
There is limbic resonance, for example. But a person who is - more or less - master of himself can be aware of that resonance and factor it into his observations of how he feels and thinks.
A good way to understand it is to study the nature of the individual both on the machine and the developed level. If you understand the machine, you can then understand the many feedback loops that people get into individually and collectively. Much more complex is the study of the individual who has achieved some mastery of himself and is neither influenced by this limbic resonance, nor does he allow his own emotions/psychic emanations to contribute to it without some control.
David Topi said:
And keep in mind, please, that much of this resonance is fundamentally physical/physiological - this is not some mystical aetheric thing. And that is not to say that the aetheric influences do not exist or affect us; they do. But most of the negative stuff that is being "beamed" is of a purely physical nature, and it is physical structures in the body that vibrate in synch with it, inducing brain chemistry changes which change the state of the machine and that then cascades UP into the psychic realms IF the individual is undeveloped. A developed individual will be aware when their machine is out of kilter, that they are subject to these frequencies, and will factor that into their defenses. For example, when my daughter was ill, she slept under a silk tent and she could notice distinctly the difference. She wasn't a believer, either... she fussed and railed as I put that tent up... but after a few trials, she saw the value of it.
David Topi said:
Oh, indeed it does! Better to read "Strangers to Ourselves" and "Thinking, fast and slow" in order to learn how MUCH it applies to the human machine. But there is a difference between people not only in terms of whether or not they are developed, but what they have to work with in the beginning: the psychophysiological substratum. Pavlov wrote quite a bit about this in terms of temperament. Some people can NEVER master themselves because of inherent substratum weaknesses. And some of the strongest can be broken down by illness or wounding.
David Topi said:
See above: the difference is in being HUMAN and having the possibility of being a REAL human. But it is only a possibility until it is developed, and it is not even possible for many due mainly to the genetic throw of the dice.
Re: The last article of Laura
I think that in order for the common person to understand it all and be able to take part in a global transformation, it is enough for them to get to the level of the obyvatel. And that level is just basic common sense, basic reason, the foundation for anything else that follows. So the average person does not need to know anything about fields or consciousness or any esoteric concepts, as most of that can be distilled into modern psychological concepts, and even more basically, into simply common sense. It is not difficult to be an obyvatel for most people, probably even organic portals. It's actually the natural human state if we weren't conditioned and manipulated into having thought loops and subjectivity and beliefs/illusions about ourselves, about others, and the world.
So if the Work can be distilled into basic simple understandings that are logical, sensible, and more or less straight forward, it can be conveyed to the average person in a way that they could immediately understand, at least in theory, and begin to apply. While this network is doing tons of readings, both esoteric and modern, to understand our machine, I don't think it's at all necessary for everyone to do that in order to get to a very basic level of mental, emotional, and physical health. Kinda like in science after someone does years of research and writes 50-page papers, and then it's distilled to a few basic formulas that just make sense, everyone doesn't have to go through all that to be able to understand the results and be able to apply them in a more or less straight forward way, osit.
Something as simple as eliminating the influence of psychopaths would go a long way to bring sanity, reason, and love back into the daily lives of people all over the world. Yeah they've been broken by years of pathological influence, but I think more than anything, it is the active continuation of that influence that prevents any kind of reversal, and a lack of positive influence from more developed people (since they don't get public exposure).
And by "influence" from positive people I don't mean manipulation or infringement of free will, but simply by setting an example - like MLK or any number of public figures with integrity, heart, reason, and (un)common sense who had public exposure - and that's why they had to be killed, it's a real threat.
The catch 22 is that in order to get rid of the pathological influence, enough people need to wake up and see it for what it is first. Somehow it comes back to exposure, media exposure - giving people access to reasonable and caring people who simply make sense and touch people's souls when they speak and write. And since no one is going to give us a lift, we gotta climb the mountain from the grass roots level ourselves - hence, SOTT needs to stay alive and to grow - and let non-linearity do the rest.
Anyone ever notice that after a few days away from the forum or SOTT, your brain gets a bit foggy and overwhelmed with all the pathological nonsense everywhere, a similar brain-melting effect when being exposed to a psychopath. But when you come back to read this website, it's like drinking medicine for the mind. Just reading something from a clear, reasonable mind, has an effect of clarifying your own mind, it's very healing in and of itself, almost regardless of the message - it's just the way it is approached, the thought process, the love behind it, it resonates and heals.
So exposure is needed, and for that, unfortunately money is a requirement. And we're back at square one! The bad guys have concentrated all the money, but we just have a very dedicated small community, and a pretty large community (SOTT readers) that, while still being on the fence, are still reading SOTT, so they are already exposed to the message, so it must resonate enough with something inside them to keep coming back, even if they are still not fully "on board".
That's why some things go viral - they resonate on some level with a lot of people. All those revolutions in North Africa basically went viral, and spread right into the US leading up to the occupy wall street movement, and probably a full blown revolution eventually. There is enough frustration out there looking for expression, people are earning for a solution, and it may be enough for enough of them to hear the message of SOTT for it to resonate enough, so that the expression of their frustration is effective and healing - for the whole world. And it is very possible that one day, SOTT's message will go viral, psychopaths may suddenly end up taking center stage in public consciousness literally overnight. And reasonable discussion may actually enter the airwaves, and have a healing and viral effect, putting into words what many feel but do not know how to express yet, it's on the tip of their tongue but they don't know quite what it is yet.
I think that in order for the common person to understand it all and be able to take part in a global transformation, it is enough for them to get to the level of the obyvatel. And that level is just basic common sense, basic reason, the foundation for anything else that follows. So the average person does not need to know anything about fields or consciousness or any esoteric concepts, as most of that can be distilled into modern psychological concepts, and even more basically, into simply common sense. It is not difficult to be an obyvatel for most people, probably even organic portals. It's actually the natural human state if we weren't conditioned and manipulated into having thought loops and subjectivity and beliefs/illusions about ourselves, about others, and the world.
So if the Work can be distilled into basic simple understandings that are logical, sensible, and more or less straight forward, it can be conveyed to the average person in a way that they could immediately understand, at least in theory, and begin to apply. While this network is doing tons of readings, both esoteric and modern, to understand our machine, I don't think it's at all necessary for everyone to do that in order to get to a very basic level of mental, emotional, and physical health. Kinda like in science after someone does years of research and writes 50-page papers, and then it's distilled to a few basic formulas that just make sense, everyone doesn't have to go through all that to be able to understand the results and be able to apply them in a more or less straight forward way, osit.
Something as simple as eliminating the influence of psychopaths would go a long way to bring sanity, reason, and love back into the daily lives of people all over the world. Yeah they've been broken by years of pathological influence, but I think more than anything, it is the active continuation of that influence that prevents any kind of reversal, and a lack of positive influence from more developed people (since they don't get public exposure).
And by "influence" from positive people I don't mean manipulation or infringement of free will, but simply by setting an example - like MLK or any number of public figures with integrity, heart, reason, and (un)common sense who had public exposure - and that's why they had to be killed, it's a real threat.
The catch 22 is that in order to get rid of the pathological influence, enough people need to wake up and see it for what it is first. Somehow it comes back to exposure, media exposure - giving people access to reasonable and caring people who simply make sense and touch people's souls when they speak and write. And since no one is going to give us a lift, we gotta climb the mountain from the grass roots level ourselves - hence, SOTT needs to stay alive and to grow - and let non-linearity do the rest.
Anyone ever notice that after a few days away from the forum or SOTT, your brain gets a bit foggy and overwhelmed with all the pathological nonsense everywhere, a similar brain-melting effect when being exposed to a psychopath. But when you come back to read this website, it's like drinking medicine for the mind. Just reading something from a clear, reasonable mind, has an effect of clarifying your own mind, it's very healing in and of itself, almost regardless of the message - it's just the way it is approached, the thought process, the love behind it, it resonates and heals.
So exposure is needed, and for that, unfortunately money is a requirement. And we're back at square one! The bad guys have concentrated all the money, but we just have a very dedicated small community, and a pretty large community (SOTT readers) that, while still being on the fence, are still reading SOTT, so they are already exposed to the message, so it must resonate enough with something inside them to keep coming back, even if they are still not fully "on board".
That's why some things go viral - they resonate on some level with a lot of people. All those revolutions in North Africa basically went viral, and spread right into the US leading up to the occupy wall street movement, and probably a full blown revolution eventually. There is enough frustration out there looking for expression, people are earning for a solution, and it may be enough for enough of them to hear the message of SOTT for it to resonate enough, so that the expression of their frustration is effective and healing - for the whole world. And it is very possible that one day, SOTT's message will go viral, psychopaths may suddenly end up taking center stage in public consciousness literally overnight. And reasonable discussion may actually enter the airwaves, and have a healing and viral effect, putting into words what many feel but do not know how to express yet, it's on the tip of their tongue but they don't know quite what it is yet.
Re: The last article of Laura
The bolded statements above are the source of my greatest frustrations. With my colleagues at work (Florida Orchestra), political discussions often arise. I ALWAYS bring up the issue of psychopathy. I have presented the idea in several ways, and with the exception of a couple of the more world-aware members, no one seems able to comprehend the importance of the concept. I've recommended literature on psychopathy, mentioned SOTT, etc..
It seems as if "If it isn't on the bube-tube, it isn't real" is a very deep-seated attitude/assumption. AAAHHHHH!!!
Kris
SAO said:
The bolded statements above are the source of my greatest frustrations. With my colleagues at work (Florida Orchestra), political discussions often arise. I ALWAYS bring up the issue of psychopathy. I have presented the idea in several ways, and with the exception of a couple of the more world-aware members, no one seems able to comprehend the importance of the concept. I've recommended literature on psychopathy, mentioned SOTT, etc..
It seems as if "If it isn't on the bube-tube, it isn't real" is a very deep-seated attitude/assumption. AAAHHHHH!!!
Kris
Re: The last article of Laura
However, the solution to the psychopathy problem isn't completely different than the solution for just general human corruption. If our politicians were just "corrupt normal humans", it still means the system as it is now is allowing for this to even happen - for such people to get into power, to do what they want while in power. It still means that you can't fix a corrupt system from within because it's maintained/controlled/engineered by those who are corrupt for their own benefit.
So psychopaths or not, we would need a completely redesigned system that prevents those who are corrupt - either due to psychopathy or any other pathology and STS conditioning from having power and influence.
We say this a lot on this forum - whether someone is a conscious disinformation agent or just a dupe almost doesn't matter, the result is the same - you're full of crap. So whether someone is a true psychopath or just doesn't have control of their STS impulses also almost doesn't matter, osit, the result on the ground is the same.
So while I think it's vital to learn about psychopaths and understand their influence, it's probably equally important to address any system that allows those with power/money to do something harmful with it for their own benefit. It's possible that someone may not be a true psychopath, but simply chooses STS and prefers that anyway, and for all intents and purposes, acts like one. So if we do get rid of psychopaths, doesn't mean we should all relax and blindly trust anyone who has power and money. We still need a system that keeps the reigns of control in the hands of the majority, and forces accountability, removes secrecy, and basically ensures (so no faith is required) that those with power/money are simply unable to do anything BUT serve the common good.
The irony is that almost everyone will agree that politicians are corrupt. But they ascribe it to just a human weakness - power/money corrupts. Not that they are just corrupted by their very nature - that power attracts those already "corrupted". And it's true, humans can be corrupted - either by psychopaths, or power and money - to an extent. But usually there's a limit, and when you're talking about mass mind control, mass murder, mass poisoning of the population, this goes beyond mere corruption.RflctnOfU said:
However, the solution to the psychopathy problem isn't completely different than the solution for just general human corruption. If our politicians were just "corrupt normal humans", it still means the system as it is now is allowing for this to even happen - for such people to get into power, to do what they want while in power. It still means that you can't fix a corrupt system from within because it's maintained/controlled/engineered by those who are corrupt for their own benefit.
So psychopaths or not, we would need a completely redesigned system that prevents those who are corrupt - either due to psychopathy or any other pathology and STS conditioning from having power and influence.
We say this a lot on this forum - whether someone is a conscious disinformation agent or just a dupe almost doesn't matter, the result is the same - you're full of crap. So whether someone is a true psychopath or just doesn't have control of their STS impulses also almost doesn't matter, osit, the result on the ground is the same.
So while I think it's vital to learn about psychopaths and understand their influence, it's probably equally important to address any system that allows those with power/money to do something harmful with it for their own benefit. It's possible that someone may not be a true psychopath, but simply chooses STS and prefers that anyway, and for all intents and purposes, acts like one. So if we do get rid of psychopaths, doesn't mean we should all relax and blindly trust anyone who has power and money. We still need a system that keeps the reigns of control in the hands of the majority, and forces accountability, removes secrecy, and basically ensures (so no faith is required) that those with power/money are simply unable to do anything BUT serve the common good.
Re: The last article of Laura
I would suggest that you try to find positive stories to balance the amount of negative news, and I know people are more motivated by positive stories, that are examples to lead that can inspire in others, to start changing themselves for the better. I do know that the universe is in balance between the evil and good.
The positive stories could be like improving one health problem in time, or how dealing with government when you have changed your attitudes toward it, can yield different result, than the result from where you haven't changed the attitudes.
I thought to express this to take a clue from the book "Psychocybernetics". It is about recording the successes and failures and learning from failures to increase the amount of successes in relation to failures.
Ytain
I would suggest that you try to find positive stories to balance the amount of negative news, and I know people are more motivated by positive stories, that are examples to lead that can inspire in others, to start changing themselves for the better. I do know that the universe is in balance between the evil and good.
The positive stories could be like improving one health problem in time, or how dealing with government when you have changed your attitudes toward it, can yield different result, than the result from where you haven't changed the attitudes.
I thought to express this to take a clue from the book "Psychocybernetics". It is about recording the successes and failures and learning from failures to increase the amount of successes in relation to failures.
Ytain
Re: The last article of Laura
I've actually given some thought to a possible 'replacement' system of government.
An integral part of making possible this system of governance, as a prerequisite, is general knowledge and awareness of psychopathy. Rather than elections, a lottery system. Conditions for being in the lottery - 1. Non-psychopath 2. 40 years of age 3. Educated in at least 3 diverse disciplines (1 emotional - ex. the arts, 1 intellect - ex. sciences, 1 physical - ex. horticulture) [well rounded]
no more than 3 terms overall, 3 year terms. no two consecutive terms. All aspects of human expression represented...ie musician, carpenter, medical professional, journalism, etc.. Salary made while serving term is the same as the current salary (although personally, I would like to see a society that is able to thrive without money...at least not as in it's current form) made in career field/job - which job is held and re-entered upon completion of term.
Ground up 'fractal' structure - CityState type local decisions 'weigh' most. System of law based on a tertiary understanding of laws - ie not dual/black and white but including context.
Does this make sense?
Kris
SAO said:
I've actually given some thought to a possible 'replacement' system of government.
An integral part of making possible this system of governance, as a prerequisite, is general knowledge and awareness of psychopathy. Rather than elections, a lottery system. Conditions for being in the lottery - 1. Non-psychopath 2. 40 years of age 3. Educated in at least 3 diverse disciplines (1 emotional - ex. the arts, 1 intellect - ex. sciences, 1 physical - ex. horticulture) [well rounded]
no more than 3 terms overall, 3 year terms. no two consecutive terms. All aspects of human expression represented...ie musician, carpenter, medical professional, journalism, etc.. Salary made while serving term is the same as the current salary (although personally, I would like to see a society that is able to thrive without money...at least not as in it's current form) made in career field/job - which job is held and re-entered upon completion of term.
Ground up 'fractal' structure - CityState type local decisions 'weigh' most. System of law based on a tertiary understanding of laws - ie not dual/black and white but including context.
Does this make sense?
Kris
curious_richard
Jedi Master
Re: The last article of Laura
That is a good goal, but it might be well in the future.RflctnOfU said:
I think a combination would work well. Three or four candidates would be chosen at random, almost like jury duty. This should really reduce the number of psychopaths on the ballot. Then these candidates talk to the people in public discussions, and the people choose one. The winner needs at least 75% of the vote. So the first and second votes will probably not give a winner. Each vote, the candidate with the least votes is removed from the ballot. If the last vote between the two "best" candidates does not give a 75% winner, then the process starts over again with new random candidates. Perhaps the winning candidate from the last vote gets to stay in the next process.
I think I agree that all points are good. But I think that only the age requirement would be practical.
obyvatel
The Living Force
Re: The last article of Laura
The link posted by Heretic02 is a youtube video of a talk by David Icke titled Revolution Of Perception.
Hi Heretic02,
When you post a link, can you please provide a brief description like above so that forum members know what it is about?
Thanks.
The link posted by Heretic02 is a youtube video of a talk by David Icke titled Revolution Of Perception.
Hi Heretic02,
When you post a link, can you please provide a brief description like above so that forum members know what it is about?
Thanks.
Re: The last article of Laura
Hi Heretico02, you write: "there is something in his speach"...what about the WHOLE speach?.
At this point in our existence we have to choose very carefully who hear or read, and here is the problem when we head toward a source that does a mix between lies with truths.
Laura and the whole group is making a superhuman effort to expose THE TRUTH of what is happening so this video of this guy has nothing to do with what is being exposed here
Heretic02 said:Bravo Laura
I know you will hate me now, but there is something in his speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxCw-JasjA&feature=player_embedded#!
Hi Heretico02, you write: "there is something in his speach"...what about the WHOLE speach?.
At this point in our existence we have to choose very carefully who hear or read, and here is the problem when we head toward a source that does a mix between lies with truths.
Laura and the whole group is making a superhuman effort to expose THE TRUTH of what is happening so this video of this guy has nothing to do with what is being exposed here
Re: The last article of Laura
If I could have it my way, the public would have ownership of most of the corporations and the politicians would have a salary based
on how successfully they do their job. "Sorry Obama, no money again this month. Keep trying."
If I could have it my way, the public would have ownership of most of the corporations and the politicians would have a salary based
on how successfully they do their job. "Sorry Obama, no money again this month. Keep trying."
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