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Heimdallr said:
AD said:
I have decided just try a LCHF Paleo style diet, especially after what the Cs have said about how many people can not do the Ketogenic diet. From what I have read you be still be mainly a fat burner without going into ketosis. As long as the carbs are from safe sources and the intake is low to moderate. Going to decrease my total carb intake to 100-125 grams a day with protein intake at 50-60 grams and fat being at or above 200 grams a day. Need to desperately gain weight! I am noticing that many of my symptoms are improving like the brain fog and energy. Had some cramping today so going make sure I get enough salt, potassium, and magnesium. Does it sound like I am on the right track?

To be truly low carb/high fat and begin burning ketones, you would have to drastically reduce your carb intake. In fact, I would think eating 200 grams of fat while at the same eating 100 grams of carbs could lead to problems. That's why reading the whole Ketogenic Diet thread is recommended, so you don't do something harmful to yourself. A true low carb diet would be eating somewhere around 20-30 grams of carbs per day, tops.
I agree, it seems like too much of both.
I have decided just try a LCHF Paleo style diet, especially after what the Cs have said about how many people can not do the Ketogenic diet.
But be wary not to use that as an excuse not to try. If you haven't been fully keto then how can you know for sure it isn't for you? Of course going slowly may work for you so going Paleo first may help you get there. Like others have said, do the research and if you have any questions or things you don't understand feel free to post in the Keto thread.
Good luck!
 
Sorry for replying back so late, I hope it does not come of as being disrespectful or inconsiderate. Just been occupied by work for the last couple of days.

Buddy said:
Well, if you limit your thoughts on this to just a categorical perspective, then you'll see "diet vs exercise" and your internal comparative evaluator will put the emotional tags appropriately: i.e, diet=less-effort=good, exercise=lots-of-effort=not-so-good, so conclusion=diet changes only!!!, yeah!

...but no so fast. There's another valuable perspective: human biology (the ecology of human physiology). From an ecosystem viewpoint, diet and exercise coordinate and enhance each other to get you all the neurotransmitters, hormones and enzymes needed to get those glycogen stores moving out of the muscles so that the fats and glucose product can be used properly as fuel and so the brain maintains proper levels of everything it needs to be healthy and develop like a muscle with the plasticity it's capable of.

Systems in the body that're not fed properly can start robbing and borrowing from each other, operating in a context of forced famine and accumulated maltreatment of the entire ecosystem can manifest as ills of various sorts: mental and physical.

By exercise, I mean increasing activity levels, just moving the body and moving so that, over time, the concepts of sustained action come into play and until the concept of endurance becomes applicable. Much research has already demonstrated decreases in symptoms of depression and anxiety by people who just make a practice of walking around the block once a day, for example.

The people who wrote the books we read were on the go, hunting and gathering - their research subjects as well as the data itself. Gurdjieff was on the move. Don Juan, the master of self-importance lessons was always on the move. Wise Native Americans and the Sufi masters of the Middle East were people on the move... :)

There's even emerging viewpoints in the neurosciences suggesting that the cerebellum and its motor cortex, once thought of as strictly confined to physical concerns, actually has a role in the timing and sequencing of synaptic activity involved in cognition!

My conclusion is that humans are biologically engineered to move and to move in certain ways and that most people will likely reach optimal health by incorporating this assumption into their daily activities and noticing the benefits.

That wasn't too "preachy" was it?

Not preachy at all! I am pretty active at work. Walking around the yard checking trailers and hopping in them etc all day. Its just it takes a lot out of me and when I am home all I want to do is recover. I think that is because the job I do is pretty demanding and I just don't have enough energy so hoping the diet changes will help me with that. But I am aware that exercise is important in ones health, like you said even just a daily walk can help quite a bit. Well try to give it more effort, especially weight lifting as I need to gain weight.

lainey said:
Heimdallr said:
AD said:
I have decided just try a LCHF Paleo style diet, especially after what the Cs have said about how many people can not do the Ketogenic diet. From what I have read you be still be mainly a fat burner without going into ketosis. As long as the carbs are from safe sources and the intake is low to moderate. Going to decrease my total carb intake to 100-125 grams a day with protein intake at 50-60 grams and fat being at or above 200 grams a day. Need to desperately gain weight! I am noticing that many of my symptoms are improving like the brain fog and energy. Had some cramping today so going make sure I get enough salt, potassium, and magnesium. Does it sound like I am on the right track?

To be truly low carb/high fat and begin burning ketones, you would have to drastically reduce your carb intake. In fact, I would think eating 200 grams of fat while at the switame eating 100 grams of carbs could lead to problems. That's why reading the whole Ketogenic Diet thread is recommended, so you don't do something harmful to yourself. A true low carb diet would be eating somewhere around 20-30 grams of carbs per day, tops.
I agree, it seems like too much of both.
I have decided just try a LCHF Paleo style diet, especially after what the Cs have said about how many people can not do the Ketogenic diet.
But be wary not to use that as an excuse not to try. If you haven't been fully keto then how can you know for sure it isn't for you? Of course going slowly may work for you so going Paleo first may help you get there. Like others have said, do the research and if you have any questions or things you don't understand feel free to post in the Keto thread.
Good luck!

Hi lainey,

I have backed off from the eating LCHF Paleo diet because I was just not confident in myself or maybe I started to miss the carbs lol(even though I did do research on Paleo) and as a result I have added wild rice, fruit, and other carby foods back into my diet. Thinking about adding beans and nuts again, even though there not too healthy but trying to eat at least 3000 calories a day so I can put on weight. I still end up eating quite a lot fat a day without even trying. Anywhere from 125-150 grams a day with high carb.

Today I ate: 138g fat / 330g carbs /106g protein. Maybe I should eat less fatty foods while I still eat high carb.

I will continue to eat more of normal diet but avoid the main evils like grains, dairy, processed foods, etc until I do the reading and feel confident in trying Keto.

Part of me thinks I will just mess up again and I should just go back to smoking and wait for my dismiss lol but I will try my best to do whats best for me. Thanks for all your help!
 

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