How to answer the question "do you believe in God?"

Most people asking that question has an agenda with it. They never ask that question with an open mind, really wanting to explore your point of view.

So I tend to answer this question depending who asks with;

If I can see they are coming from a "christian" point of view (and I dont want to go into defending myself) with; maybe

If they are really interested to know my point of view then I will say something controversial to find out where they are coming from with; Yes, but I am an died again christian or yes, but I find that atheists might know more than me.
 
Buddy said:
"...why you all up in my bidness?" :)

Hahaha!!! That's given me two hunned, fiddy belly laughs since I read it today :lol:

I don't get asked that question a lot but on the few occasions I have been asked, I've replied "Of course!" with a look of surprise on my face implying "you don't?" I will usually follow up with the "but I don't believe in the old guy in the sky story" and I talk about something along the lines of what Perceval said above:
Perceval said:
You could say you adhere to the theory of 'rational design' which posits that everything in the universe is imbued with an intelligence of its own and the sum of all those parts are what you would describe as "god", although that's just a word for it, any many others could be used and would perhaps be more appropriate.

Of course, that doesn't answer the question of "who created it", but if the answer to that is "no one, it always was and always will be", then it's kind of a moot point, or, that is one of the great mysteries of life, but we don't need to know who (if anyone) created the living system to study it and understand that it operates under its own steam, so to speak. The main point here is that the evidence does not suggest that any force or power is directing life etc, but rather that it is an inherently intelligence and self-sustaining system.

If they are not familiar with the ideas we share here I will also say that I think that there are other levels of consciousness "between" us and "god" and that we can only really have a very simplistic understanding based on our current level.


In the context of when I've been asked, the questioners have usually seemed sincere and curious and the context of the question was when I was talking about how most religions are corrupt and they have done a good job of making either blind believers or atheists who have simply rejected an impostor biblical god and have gone and thrown the baby out with the bathwater. So as others have suggested above, context is important. If you think that they're just fishing or trying to peg you, you can either say yes or no; I don't think it makes much difference. If you think they're being sincere, then there's plenty to talk/think about :)

And now that I've written all of that above, I just remembered a recent occasion when I was asked by someone who was insincere (I would add that in his own mind there was probably no one more sincere than he). The reason I didn't think of it at first was because there was no direct "do you believe in god?" question but in retrospect it amounted to that. Unfortunately, there were another two people who were interested and one of them had asked about some of my posts on Facebook related to the Cass material. The other two were a married couple I hadn't met before. The husband was basically a know-it-all and his wife also seemed very interested. However, when the conversation started to turn "metaphysical" he literally shifted in his seat towards me and announced how we were about to have a great argument. I told him I wasn't interested in an argument or debate, but rather dialogue and learning. He agreed completely with me and then started to show what a great scientific and academic mind he had whilst his wife made apologetic faces to me. So, I let him "win" his argument and changed the subject. It was easy really! ;D

P.S. It kind of reminded me of the criticisms made of the French this year on the forum. Where mealtimes can turn into big debates where the aim is to just argue and win. Did I understand that correctly? Because I have seen people literally swell up on occasion here at the prospect of a debate. I so hated debates back in school. I couldn't articulate it then but now that I've learned about discussion, dialogue, learning and sharing info... well it all makes sense!
 
"Since I find it hard to believe that intelligent life came from a stupid universe, I suspect there may be some sort of higher, universal intelligence or consciousness. I think that this universal consciousness is most certainly not something to be feared nor worshiped: instead there exists only an exciting possibility to learn more and more about it by questioning everything and trying to see the objective reality about everything in this life."

My face book profile says for religious views:
Truth is my God.
All books are my Bible.
Life is my religion.
 
Heimdallr said:
I respond to that question by saying I am agnostic. I tell them I believe that their is a higher power but that it is not any kind of physical entity like Jesus. Most people understand what agnostic means, and that's usually that.

That is usually my response as well. But as others have said the context and who's asking is also important to note before answering.
 
Deedlet said:
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the context and who's asking is also important to note before answering.

For external considerations, this is quite true. One must ask, are they truly open minded curious? Are they looking to proselytize? A good reply may be: "Why do you ask?".

But... If someone really wants to know what I think, I say that I am spiritual, not religious.
Religions as organized and defined by the precepts of mankind are of which I avoid.
 
If a stranger knocks on my door, and starts talking
about religion, I simply say: "God is not here, try
the house next door.", and close the door.

If a stranger asks: "Do you believe in God,"
I evaluate the sincereness of the questioner,
and if not sincere, reply: "Yes, I am agnostic."
otherwise if sincere, reply: "I believe in the
Divine Cosmic Mind. If you are interested,
lookup www.sott.net."
 
"Why do you ask?" is definitely a good one.
It really depends of the context, but frequently, I had sincere questions.
I remember saying : I try not to stay in my "beliefs", I'd rather know. There's "something" for sure, and I can see it all around me. I don't need nor believe in a cosmic Dude that look like me to see that there's is something brilliant in every life.
But most of the time it's to get to a deeper conversation, in my case.
Nobody ringed my bell and asked me, I would laugh. Because, Yes! But No!. :lol:
 
I will generally ask what is meant by 'God'.

Then I will say that I do not beleive in a God or in any particular religious sytem.

I will say that I think 'God' is simply the sum of All That Is And That Is Not. And I might add that this is a concept that I think is impossible to gasp at our current level of awarness.

It's usually where people get lost and ask all sorts of questions.

If the person is sincere and simply wants to hear about what I think, I might elaborate a bit depending on theire openess. If the person wants to convert or convince me that I am wrong and that he/she is right, I'll just tell them I am not interested in their blind beleifs and walk away.

One thing that I think is that the 'sum' of All must be Infinite and Perfectly Balanced. I think that the concept of 'finity', separateness, differenciation and time are illusory. If we live in a finite/linear world, who/what created it? And what/who created the creator? It could go on ad vitam aeternam. So I think the anwser is quite 'simple'. All There Is is Infinite, Perfect, Limiteless, Timeless and Spaceless. It is, has always been and will always be.

Here are two quotes from Max Planck that I like to use:

"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve."

"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter."


My thoughts.

Nice thread!

Peace.
 
Breton said:
My face book profile says for religious views:
Truth is my God.
All books are my Bible.
Life is my religion.

I like this very, very much.
 
I generally respond by saying there are two things I rarely discuss-Religion and Politics...I have found both to be grounds for starting monumental arguments, with folks generally believing their point of view is the "correct" one-and attempting to intellectually engage them is an excercise in futility. They do not want to hear your view point- they merely wish to expouse their own and tell you how wrong you are. So, I avoid the subjects if at all possible...a cowardly thing to do I suppose.

We have Jehovah's Witness come to the door-and Mormons as well-I generally tell them "I'm Catholic" (which is kind of true-although I am no longer a "practicing" Catholic) which seems to work! They apologize and leave.
 
dant said:
If a stranger knocks on my door, and starts talking
about religion, I simply say: "God is not here, try
the house next door.", and close the door.
:rotfl:
 
I don't know if it makes me a less externally considerate person overall, but I love getting the chance to talk about this subject in a person-to-person (or more) context and if asked, I don't shy away from it. But maybe it's living in the hedonistic Northeastern USA, or maybe it's just the people I associate with, but I'm a lot more used to having it brought up by someone from the materialistic atheist side of things. Someone pointedly asking me if I've found Jesus (other than the occasional subway nut) just isn't something I see happening in my day-to-day environment. I'm not sure how much external consideration is warranted towards dogmatic atheists who want to convince others of the nothing they've convinced themselves to believe in, but there's something in me that wants to take the conversation as far as it will go, and find out how/why they've falsely dichotomized everything into old-man-in-the-sky vs. nothing and are they truly too limited to conceptualized anything more nuanced. It's usually in the context of a friendly discussion so the stakes don't seem particularly high.

I actually recently tried what Away With The Fairys suggested early in the thread about the universe having consciousness and felt like I got a little further than I normally do with this particular person, but I wasn't in a position to continue the conversation for very long. Maybe I can pick it back up later. But that's what really gets me about the whole "God" question. People who have been exposed to this completely ridiculous concept of "God" early in their lives so they swing the other way and decide there is nothing more to anything than corrupted "Science", even when their scientific education is severely lacking. What do you say to that, assuming you have the time and they have the inclination to listen?
 
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A lot of people have asked me this question, and I find it kind of tricky to answer. In the past, when I've answered yes, people seem to think that I think there is an old man in the clouds directing our lives. Part of me wants to point out that that isn't what I think, but I don't really want to get into some kind of theological/spiritual discussion. I also don't want to open a can of worms. I also find the word belief almost wrong, like it isn't really a matter of belief for me any more.
These days I just say "yeah, something like that."

How do you guys answer this question if its raised?


I tell them that I am a Pantheist - that I believe that everything that exists is God - including you & me, the air we breathe, the ground we stand on...that God created the multiverse from God's own being, and that we are all a little part of God.
 
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