How to be a STO to a psychopath

[Molecular Wolf]

Hello,

How can one help a psycopath person? I ask this 'cause as far as I know it is recomendable to get as far away of those people, do NOT try to save them or helpr them 'cause you will be sucked -so to speak. Apparently those type of humans do not have Higher centers, which means that not even through conscious efforts they will awake?? iThink those individuals have a possibility if they can only get to know that they're not ill but rather their minds are distrubed. If unfortunately they cannot be saved and cannot awake or activate ther Higher centers this means that "Everything is possible" statement it's a Fraud! Hence, if that's not possible means that a lot of things are not possible which will cause a BIG disappointment to a BIG % of humanity who have deposit their Faith in firts of all that statement which states that everything is possible, 2nd would mean that Faith is also a nonsensical belief, which would mean that Jesus words "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” ~ Matthew 17:20

Thanks to y'all

 

[Konstantin]

Hello Molecular Wolf :)

I am glad that you joined this forum and decided to write your first post.
On this forum, it is a regular practice for new members to introduce themselves in the newbie thread and write little more about themselves and how they found this forum and things related to that.

 

[Deleted member 4320]

Hello,

How can one help a psycopath person? I ask this 'cause as far as I know it is recomendable to get as far away of those people, do NOT try to save them or helpr them 'cause you will be sucked -so to speak. Apparently those type of humans do not have Higher centers, which means that not even through conscious efforts they will awake?? iThink those individuals have a possibility if they can only get to know that they're not ill but rather their minds are distrubed. If unfortunately they cannot be saved and cannot awake or activate ther Higher centers this means that "Everything is possible" statement it's a Fraud! Hence, if that's not possible means that a lot of things are not possible which will cause a BIG disappointment to a BIG % of humanity who have deposit their Faith in firts of all that statement which states that everything is possible, 2nd would mean that Faith is also a nonsensical belief, which would mean that Jesus words "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” ~ Matthew 17:20

Thanks to y'all

Psychopathy is overwhelming force which should determining us to change, through bringing us to personal bankruptcy, including the repayment of karmic debt.

Knowledge and development is like a carrot and psychopathy like a stick. You can't change stick. While you can get to the carrot for the best and deepest understanding of things and to go to great lengths, and get out of the stick.

 

[Ant22]

Hello,

How can one help a psycopath person? I ask this 'cause as far as I know it is recomendable to get as far away of those people, do NOT try to save them or helpr them 'cause you will be sucked -so to speak. Apparently those type of humans do not have Higher centers, which means that not even through conscious efforts they will awake?? iThink those individuals have a possibility if they can only get to know that they're not ill but rather their minds are distrubed. If unfortunately they cannot be saved and cannot awake or activate ther Higher centers this means that "Everything is possible" statement it's a Fraud! Hence, if that's not possible means that a lot of things are not possible which will cause a BIG disappointment to a BIG % of humanity who have deposit their Faith in firts of all that statement which states that everything is possible, 2nd would mean that Faith is also a nonsensical belief, which would mean that Jesus words "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” ~ Matthew 17:20

Thanks to y'all

In my personal opinion being STO to a psychopath means letting them be what they are and accepting the fact that they cannot change. At the same time it also means protecting ourselves from their deception, manipulation and/or abuse through knowledge of what they are, how they operate and what buttons they press in us to elicit the response they want.

You cannot help a psychopath because they simply don't want to be helped. They don't want to change, on the contrary, their common feature is a grandiose perception of themselves and a low opinion of non-psychopathic individuals. The idea of changing to be more like other people to them would probably sound like downgrading. To them, there is something wrong with you.

What's more, their inborn and incurable emotional, behavioural and mental features make it impossible for them to fully understand other people, let alone become like them. Imagine trying to train your cat to speak English: the ability just isn't there because their biology and genetic make-up don't allow it.

Not to mention that by attempting to help a psychopath become like non-psychopaths you're effectively "determining their needs" and that's pretty much the exact opposite of STO. This is an STS plane of existence and to me psychopaths are simply a part of the landscape. Let them be what they are. The decision to strive towards STO is an individual one. You cannot make it for others because that's what STS does.

STO does give to all that ask but what is the intention behind a psychopath asking? Their purpose is predatory in nature and giving them what they ask for means falling prey to their practices. Giving to all that ask shouldn't have destructive impact on us and that's unfortunately a given with psychopaths. You wouldn't give all your money to a random stranger just because they ask for it, would you? Similarly, judgement is needed when deciding when giving is done in an STO manner. Or at least trying our best to attempt to do so because what does any of us really know about being STO if we are all presently STS?

 

[Laura]

Hello,

How can one help a psycopath person?

This assumes that the psychopathic person is asking for help. They don't, you know. One characteristic of psychopathy is that they are utterly convinced that their way of being is ideal and everyone should be like them. In fact, that is sort of the approach you are taking here: that psychopaths should fit YOUR idea of how an individual should be.

True STO is characterized by NOT determining the needs of another.

 

[BrendaH]

Hello,

How can one help a psycopath person? I ask this 'cause as far as I know it is recomendable to get as far away of those people, do NOT try to save them or helpr them 'cause you will be sucked -so to speak. Apparently those type of humans do not have Higher centers, which means that not even through conscious efforts they will awake?? iThink those individuals have a possibility if they can only get to know that they're not ill but rather their minds are distrubed. If unfortunately they cannot be saved and cannot awake or activate ther Higher centers this means that "Everything is possible" statement it's a Fraud! Hence, if that's not possible means that a lot of things are not possible which will cause a BIG disappointment to a BIG % of humanity who have deposit their Faith in firts of all that statement which states that everything is possible, 2nd would mean that Faith is also a nonsensical belief, which would mean that Jesus words "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” ~ Matthew 17:20

Thanks to y'all

Hi Molecular Wolf, maybe you'd like to read this article from SOTT:

https://www.sott.net/article/356287-Psychopaths-brain-reveals-source-of-wishful-thinking-behavior?utm_content=buffer97cbc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

"Psychopaths, with their superficial charms but lack of empathy, may act the way they do because their brains are wired to overvalue immediate rewards, a new study finds.

Psychopaths' brain wiring may also lead them to avoid thinking about the consequences of their potentially immoral actions, the study found."

[...]

"Regardless of what they feel, they engage in a lot of behavior marked by a lack of self-control, and we were interested in the neuroscience of that poor decision making."

[...]

"Psychopathy is untreatable, period. In a controlled environment maybe psychopaths could do something that benefits the greater good, but we doubt it. It's time to give up the wasted idea that we can save the psychopath. They don't want to be saved! They think of us humans as something 'other' in need of adaptation to their world view. While we are busy trying to save the psychopath, they are busy trying to remake humanity in their image."

 

[msante]

Molecular Wolf, IMO what many said here is the right approach to psychopath challenge. You just can not change this kind of people, 1st because they really can not change, and 2nd because they do not want to change. As Ant22 said, to transform people in what we think that they should be, is a STS way to see the world, they are what they are and they share this instance of existence with us likely because they are an important part of this cicle of learning (for us and maybe for them).

Having said that I'd like to know if your question is an abstract one or if it is about a concrete case. I ask because it is not easy to know if a person is a psychopath or not. Many times we can meet people that have a psychopathic behavior in some cases but actually they are not per se a psychopath, they can be just people dealing with life and with a specific lesson to learn. That's why I do not think that going for life labeling people as "psychopath" is a good idea. Moreover we could be ignoring people that need and ask for real help. I know, it is not easy, but I think that it is part of our lessons here if we wish truly be STO.

 

[Cosmos]

I think it would be a good idea to take a deeper look into the literature about psychopathy, to get a better idea what a psychopath actually is. This might enable a deeper understanding of the question at hand. Here are some of the core books on that subject.

- Andrew Łobaczewski’s Political Ponerology
- Babiak, Paul and Hare, Robert, Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths go to Work
- Brown, Sandra, How to Spot a Dangerous Man Before You Get Involved and Women Who Loved Psychopaths: Inside the Relationships of Inevitable Harm
- Cleckley, Hervey, The Mask of Sanity
- Hare, Robert, Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of Psychopaths Among Us
- Stout, Martha, The Sociopath Next Door The Myth of Sanity: Divided Consciousness and the Promise of Awareness

 

[Phill4]

I think it is more about understanding. Like the first step is understanding what they are and their condition as subjects who occupy a human body with low quality emotions.

More or less trying to help someone who is sick or a lion, you can't approach them with "love" but with knowledge, you need to understand their condition, and in the case of a psychopath their condition makes them very dangerous people to have around on many levels.

Since each situation in common interaction with people is different, discernment is also necessary in general, but a psychopath is not asking for help.

People who ask for help have the ability to see and understand that it is a need on levels a psychopath can't access, sure they can articulate and pronounce the words "oh help me" but usually they hide some personal dark motive behind it.

Understanding who and what they are, IMO, can be said to be the only thing we can "do for them" as part of the whole, try to understand though that they have Zero empathy and even thrive on the suffering of others and they like being that way and wish no change or biologically can't be changed.

Best to avoid them

 

[Martina]

I have some traumas from childhood and teen days because of which I generally overreact on any tiny symptom of someone's weird behaviour (including mine). There are many people who are not psychopaths but can hurt you emotionally because they are not working on themselves and don't care of their mental hygiene properly. I was thinking hard about why I come so often in contact with petty tyrants and one of the things is that I was pretending I'm much nicer person that I am. I watched this video by Jordan Peterson :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgJ1n9DF1WE
Psychology Professor Dr. Jordan B. Peterson explains how developing your inner shadow / monster / psychopath protects you from getting taken advantage of by malevolence. You should develop it voluntarily, not accidentally and with having the good in mind to incorporate it into your psyche in a productive manner.
What do you think, did I get something finally :)?

 

[Nico]

Reflecting on psychopaths seems to help understand ourselves, they don't want to be help and a 'true' STO don't pretend to help, he is the help, so does a STO candidate learn to stop 'wanting' to help others by dealing with psychopath ?
IMO once a psychopath is pierced one has to get away quickly. You cannot make any creative acts with him/her. But sure you learn by being creative escaping his claws.

 

[bozadi]

I have some traumas from childhood and teen days because of which I generally overreact on any tiny symptom of someone's weird behaviour (including mine). There are many people who are not psychopaths but can hurt you emotionally because they are not working on themselves and don't care of their mental hygiene properly. I was thinking hard about why I come so often in contact with petty tyrants and one of the things is that I was pretending I'm much nicer person that I am. I watched this video by Jordan Peterson :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgJ1n9DF1WE
Psychology Professor Dr. Jordan B. Peterson explains how developing your inner shadow / monster / psychopath protects you from getting taken advantage of by malevolence. You should develop it voluntarily, not accidentally and with having the good in mind to incorporate it into your psyche in a productive manner.
What do you think, did I get something finally :)?

Very insightful, I think. Reminds me of the saying ascribed to Jesus about being "as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

 

[PhoenixToEmber]

Hello,

How can one help a psycopath person?

This assumes that the psychopathic person is asking for help. They don't, you know. One characteristic of psychopathy is that they are utterly convinced that their way of being is ideal and everyone should be like them. In fact, that is sort of the approach you are taking here: that psychopaths should fit YOUR idea of how an individual should be.

True STO is characterized by NOT determining the needs of another.

This is pretty much what I was going to say.

STO means giving to those who ask, otherwise you're violating free will and trying to change someone to fit how you think they should be, which is actually STS. STO is also "calling a spade a spade," giving everything and everyone its due based on objective reality. That means loving someone is seeing them for who and what they are, because love is knowledge, and to help them (if possible) only when they ask and wish to change - and that applies to psychopaths, too. It sounds silly to "love" a psychopath, but by seeing them for who and what they are and simply accepting that that's probably how they will remain and that they really don't want to change (and most likely can't), you are loving them, in a sense. Of course, that doesn't mean you have to associate with them - if anything, by seeing them for what they truly are and accepting that you most likely cannot change them, you are more capable of choosing not to associate with them anymore and understanding why you shouldn't, because you are also more capable of loving yourself by not doing so, by not allowing yourself to be used and fed upon, if that makes any sense.

 

[three]

According to Dr. Robert Hare's book, Without Conscience, a psychopath can be 'helped' by putting them into therapy. It won't fix the condition, but they will learn how to be even more manipulative and thus proceed along the STS path :P

I'm kidding. I'm assuming that by 'help' you mean make them less dangerous to souled people. In that case, the best thing might be spreading knowledge to the people who might be taken advantage of. When people are shown how manipulation works they usually become resistant to it. Empathetic people tend to be suckers for their appeals to pity, but what I've been learning lately is that giving psychopaths what they demand definitely doesn't help them. It's like feeding an addict's habit. They only change tactics when a tactic stops working. They will try to guilt us into giving energy and resources and our kindness makes us want to give, but with knowledge we can discern when giving is unhelpful for both parties.

Welcome to the forum. :)

 

[luc]

According to Dr. Robert Hare's book, Without Conscience, a psychopath can be 'helped' by putting them into therapy. It won't fix the condition, but they will learn how to be even more manipulative and thus proceed along the STS path :P

I'm kidding. I'm assuming that by 'help' you mean make them less dangerous to souled people. In that case, the best thing might be spreading knowledge to the people who might be taken advantage of. When people are shown how manipulation works they usually become resistant to it. Empathetic people tend to be suckers for their appeals to pity, but what I've been learning lately is that giving psychopaths what they demand definitely doesn't help them. It's like feeding an addict's habit. They only change tactics when a tactic stops working. They will try to guilt us into giving energy and resources and our kindness makes us want to give, but with knowledge we can discern when giving is unhelpful for both parties.

Welcome to the forum. :)

I think you said it very well, three! The desire to "help" psychopaths only makes us their food and they will refine their tactics to become even more dangerous. Best to not play their games at all (walking away) and not let one's compassion be exploited. It's really difficult though!

Good point as well that the only thing we can do to "help" when it comes to psychopaths, besides walking away, is to explain to other people that there ARE dangerous people out there who are out to manipulate them and to help them see this. I often recommend the book "In sheep's clothing" to them - it's a nice and concise overview over the most common manipulation tactics and how to spot/escape them.