How will we know when we are Man Number Four?

[Jakesully]

So I've been reading Mouravieff's Gnosis Trilogy, Book One: Exoteric Cycle.

His comments on the different types of man, 1 - 7, and what is the goal of each type of man, has me thinking...

How will we know definitively that we've crossed that "threshold" to fusing the magnetic center and have become Man 4?

Not sure if this question has been asked already, and I apologize if it has, but I couldn't find anything on it when using the forum search.

Perhaps some of the more experienced forum members, those who have been doing the work for a long time, could comment?

 

[thevenusian]

I can't directly address your question, because I know that I am not Man 4, but your question seems a bit like being in a group of climbers at base camp and asking how will you know when you reach the summit. You will probably know, because when you get there, there won't be any more mountain above you to climb. Until that time comes, all you can really know is that you are not there.

Knowing what lies ahead can certainly serve the purpose to inspire and motivate us. Meanwhile, the task at hand requires all available focus and attention on the many, many difficult and challenging steps that must be accomplished long before that summit even begins to come into view.

 

[obyvatel]

I can't directly address your question, because I know that I am not Man 4

Same here. Personally I take Mouravieff's descriptions in this context as probable sign posts on the journey. The journey continues on - and perhaps the more one learns, one realizes how much more there is to learn.

May I ask Jakesully that why do you think you want to " know definitively that we've crossed that "threshold" to fusing the magnetic center and have become Man 4"?

When I had similar questions when reading Gnosis, contemplating my motivation behind the questions was very useful.

 

[Jakesully]

I can't directly address your question, because I know that I am not Man 4

Same here. Personally I take Mouravieff's descriptions in this context as probable sign posts on the journey. The journey continues on - and perhaps the more one learns, one realizes how much more there is to learn.

May I ask Jakesully that why do you think you want to " know definitively that we've crossed that "threshold" to fusing the magnetic center and have become Man 4"?

When I had similar questions when reading Gnosis, contemplating my motivation behind the questions was very useful.

Well, as we may know, the Work consists of recognizing the improper working of the body and its unconscious programs. The essence of my question is whether such programs may still exist once the threshold to Man 4 has been successfully crossed. My understanding is that becoming Man 4 doesn't necessarily mean one has conquered all of these programs, but that one has the ability to conquer these programs, because the magnetic center that will have been fused can now act as master and judge of the lower three centers.

Rather, to clarify, the body is meant to be mechanical, and in reality the workings of the body and the centers consists almost entirely of unconscious programs. Yet, to my understanding, the fused magnetic center of Man 4 is able to judge the workings of these unconscious programs and decide whether they are working optimally, or whether they need to be modified, and furthermore has the ability to modify these programs.

 

[Jakesully]

At any rate, I believe my question has been answered upon reading the following in Gnosis I:

It is to be noted that man 4 remains in several ways an exterior man; and
he is still mortal. But he is ready to cross the second Threshold, beyond which,
safely sheltered from the 'A' influences and from the Law of Accident, the
Way begins in its true sense.

Once having reached this degree, the disciple becomes a man of
influence 'C' (Fig. 20).

One must never lose sight of the fact that everything man does, he does
imperfectly. Theoretically, man 4, by the time the note FA is resounding
fully, should already be absolute master of himself. The growth and the
development of his Personality should have been pushed to their utmost
limits. If this were really the case, the absorption of the lower emotional
centre by the magnetic centre would have occurred in profound joy. But this
only happens rarely. This is because man, everywhere and always late, does
not fully succeed in accomplishing his task at each step of the Staircase.
As the time allowed for him to finish his work on each step is limited, he is
obliged, from fear of a fall,23 to pass to the next step while still dragging
behind him a part, sometimes a large part, of his karmic debt.

This is allowed, but only on condition that his purification is completed
at the note FA.

 

[obyvatel]

Well, as we may know, the Work consists of recognizing the improper working of the body and its unconscious programs. The essence of my question is whether such programs may still exist once the threshold to Man 4 has been successfully crossed.

Ok. If you had asked something like "are unconscious programs still present in Man 4? ", you would have received different feedback :). Good to know you found the answer to your real question from reading Gnosis.

 

[Roland J. Prather]

So I've been reading Mouravieff's Gnosis Trilogy, Book One: Exoteric Cycle.

How will we know definitively that we've crossed that "threshold" to fusing the magnetic center and have become Man 4?

Just taking a guess and not a serious one. How do you know? When your will becomes indestructable. Your feelings are of a different nature. You die many times not just once. You don't fear dying. You become reborn many times during struggles, severe ones or ones enough to completly make you helpless and hopeless in every case. But the key is not to take it personally. Because you didn't make the rules and that why. this could be completely wrong