Hurricane Irene

[Guardian]

Folks could be right about the Federal government using this Hurricane for nefarious purposes, but I really don't see where the State govs have overreacted at all, in fact, I think their advance preparations have saved many lives.

IMO, shutting down the subways and anything underground (tunnels, utilities, etc.) was very wise (and costly) With a storm the size of Irene, the tidal surge can arrive 6-8 hours before the actual storm. If even ONE sump pump failed to keep up with the load, a whole train full of people could have died.

"Only" nine people are dead so far, and that's a REALLY low number for a storm of this size and intensity. I think we saw the quick (and expensive) reaction and massive evacuations because the Politicians don't want another Katrina like debacle this close to election time.

Basically, I think MANY lives have been saved, at great expense, because there's an election right around the corner.

 

[Renaissance]

Best be prepared today liffy - you must've misunderstood the forecast. It's to arrive around 2 in the afternoon.

I don't think that's correct. The news reports show Irene making landfall in NY at 9 am this morning and now its going up the Hudson. It looks like it has passed (at least the southerns parts of NY). I came down to visit my family in NY and spent yesterday morning securing things outside. It was soo eerie how quite it was. We didn't have much damage (that I can tell from looking out the windows!), but others who we have been able to call did have some minor damage around their property. We lost our electricity overnight; it was on when I got up this morning. We still have some strong winds and a little rain.

My mom's neighbor stopped by later in the afternoon yesterday and said that when she had driven by the graveyard there were vultures sitting on top of dozens of gravestones. She never saw anything like it - maybe one or two at a time, but never that many. Creepy!

 

[sitting]

I understand your point well. But I do think the making and steering of hurricanes is well within their capabilities. There's just been too much evidence of that (even if indirect) in the past.

Can you please cite some of this "indirect" evidence? Or sources for it? Or is it just false flag weather terrorism - the planet does it and somebody takes credit for it?

I KNEW this was coming. And I AM prepared! : )

And rather than talking about Katrina, I'm gonna go a bit further back. Hurricane Erin...September 2001. The author of the book "Where Did The Towers Go?" presents a very credible case regarding hurricane manipulation...precise manipulation. For those that are seriously interested in the subject, I suggest you go there. Read it carefully, study it, then decide for yourself.

And this does not mean I'm necessarily right. It simply means I've looked at the available evidence and decided. It could be entirely wrong. But I do think it is close to the truth.

I knew by referencing McCanney, and possibly the aforementioned book, I may be irking a few people. I'm okay with that. If this hurricane-tropical storm Irene is valid cause for stocking supplies, then there's not much wrong with what McCanney is promoting. Clean water filters and long term seed supplies. It's just sound preparation. Also I see little evidence of him going off the deep end. And there may be a simple way of settling the issue...ask the C's the next time. : )

Laura, I think I know what you're driving at. The forces of nature are gonna unleash such fiery in the near future and the "controllers" will do their utmost to claim as their own. I AM on the lookout for that sort of thing. But the inverse of that is equally important don't you think?

 

[kenlee]

I live on the East Coast just north of Philadelphia and it rained a little last night but it wasn't that bad. At the moment (at 1PM EST) its a little windy, overcast, but its not raining at all. My impression so far is that the media might be using this storm and its hype as a means to program us to respond to "emergency commands" so we'll respond like programmed automatons to whatever the news media "commands" us to be afraid of. Then the masses can be "commanded" to wherever they want us to go, such as into these "emergency shelters" which later might be something like armed prison camps that people will think are shelters to protect them. Why waste a good hurricane!

That doesn't mean that the people don't need to be warned by the news media, they do, and rightfully so. But I think that's to give the impression that the news media is doing their job by warning everyone since they are so "concerned" about everyone's safety. All I've been hearing on the radio is a constant barrage of warnings that "the hurricane is coming!" (repeat endlessly until you go bonkers). But the end result, and the real intent of all this, might very well be to program us into overreaction so we'll respond by reflex to whatever commands the media sends our way.

I think "they" are not so all powerful as they want us to think. They want to program us to only exist within that "reality" that they create with our own fears. I think their wishful thinking, sooner or later, will take them down because they cannot perceive the real world beyond the limits of their own subjectivity. Possibly from a universal perspective, and in a certain sense maybe, "they" are being "played" (just as they play us) by universal patterns of ideas (i.e.,the Nous of Plato) and forces from that realm that they don't understand, cannot fully comprehend, and have no control over. So they subjectivity and distort what they can comprehend for their own self serving benefits.

So if they hype this hurricane with intent to program the masses for some nefarious intent it may only be because they are in a certain sense being played as well by patterns of universal forces/ideas that are quite real but they think they are the ones who invented it all. But they can only understand reality in a subjective way, so long as it benefits them as they strive for world domination. They might think that they have monolithic control of the "universe" and know and invented it all, but in the end I think it's the objective universe which includes the elemental forces and the universal laws which will have the last say.

 

[anart]

I KNEW this was coming. And I AM prepared! : )

And rather than talking about Katrina, I'm gonna go a bit further back. Hurricane Erin...September 2001. The author of the book "Where Did The Towers Go?" presents a very credible case regarding hurricane manipulation...precise manipulation. For those that are seriously interested in the subject, I suggest you go there. Read it carefully, study it, then decide for yourself.

That isn't actually presenting evidence. It is asking others to go get evidence. There is a difference. Can you present the evidence?

And this does not mean I'm necessarily right. It simply means I've looked at the available evidence and decided. It could be entirely wrong. But I do think it is close to the truth.

With you not presenting the evidence, it is very hard to tell.

I knew by referencing McCanney, and possibly the aforementioned book, I may be irking a few people.

Sounds like you're projecting. No one is 'irked'. There is truth, and there are lies and that's all that matters. McCanney's early work has been quoted quite extensively here, that's not a problem. The problem is that he has slipped into full-blown paranoia and has stopped thinking completely, as well as using fear mongering to sell products through his website. In other words, he's become just another highly paranoid shill. It's unfortunate, but if it walks like a duck...

I'm okay with that.

You're okay with believing a lie?

If this hurricane-tropical storm Irene is valid cause for stocking supplies, then there's not much wrong with what McCanney is promoting. Clean water filters and long term seed supplies. It's just sound preparation. Also I see little evidence of him going off the deep end.

Then your eyes are closed.

It's really not rocket science. The man sounds more like a lunatic every day and, personally, I think he needs professional mental health help. If you want to buy his survival supplies, then that's your choice, but pretending that what he is saying makes logical sense is basically the first step in ponerogenisis - being fascinated with pathological thought and holding it as equal to healthy thought, which it is not.

And there may be a simple way of settling the issue...ask the C's the next time. : )

The C's actually aren't in the habit of pointing out the obvious. It is interesting, however, that the only people I've ever seen write the sentence you've written above are people who are totally and completely lost in illusion or lying to themselves. It never fails. They always say, "ask the C's" when the obvious is pointed out to them. It's really fascinating.

You see, the evidence is right there in front of us about McCanney. It's blatantly obvious, and really, truly, unfortunate because his early work is really invaluable.

Laura, I think I know what you're driving at. The forces of nature are gonna unleash such fiery in the near future and the "controllers" will do their utmost to claim as their own. I AM on the lookout for that sort of thing. But the inverse of that is equally important don't you think?

The inverse of what? You mean the inverse of the forces of nature unleashing fire? I think, perhaps, you might mean 'other factors at play' rather than 'inverse'?

 

[sitting]

Anart,

Why are you so angry? I can even feel your vibs coming off my screen. You can simply tell me you disagree. If there are subjects that are forbidden to be discussed, then just say so. The "inverse" thingy is very simple. Laura said nature causes things and the "controllers" claim as their own. The inverse would be "controllers" causing things and laying it off as natural. Okay?

 

[seek10]

Here in NJ, Storm has gone with the night. Currently Just cloudy , roads are significantly blank and lot of big chain businesses are closed. Some areas of Central Jersey ( like bound brook ) which are notorious for flooding are expected to flood with 12 ft above flood level by sunday evening. All Major highways have issues with some spots closed down.

I was listening to NJ 101.5 local radio station from yesterday, Here are some interesting points.

1. It was clear lot of hype went into national media and NJ governor was criticized for giving lot of national TV network interviewing , completely ignoring state media. Again the question of Govt. over reacted or not will come later. some of the government statements goes in these lines " Roads may not even be clear by Friday" before they don't even know how much rain will fall. This all sounds like bush saying " it will take decades before the war on terror is over " before they even know who did it. There is Lot of profiteering is going on. All the emergency supplies in stores like target, home depot etc. are gone reminding black friday season. Politicians are posing for photo shoots. understandable during election season.

2. Some interesting mind set of the people based on what I listened on this radio station.

- It looks lot of people have hurricane parties during midnight and called this radio station drunk with no ability to talk .- Looks like doomsday Rome. What if this is snow storm?.

- Some people called distressed for lack of power ( half million didn't have power) , but it looks their real complaint is there is no TV so that they can check their lottery ticket.
- One police guy called to complain of the drivers who are ignoring the flashlights and detours to get stuck in 4 to 5 feet of water on the road.

Well, it looks like all sorts of crazy stuff going on this occasion.

3. Slowly, all the high ways are getting opened and initial reports of beach erosion came. Not sure this is hype or real.

what is in my mind is not about this storm. These rain storm are much better than snow. This time, it looks 8 inches of rain ( more in some places) in a span of less than 8 hrs it means 8ft of snow in winter storm. Literally we will perish like mammoth's in a flash of night. Like Katrina time, media is not going to make huge noise with vulture capitalist's puppet media/politicians will keep the threat level down. How do we even able to runaway from this type of situation ?.

Even for escaping, We have to be very watchful and with readily available supplies for 4 to 7 days with some fuel supplies and be able to gather whatever we can and whom ever we can in very short time and keep some contacts of friends/hotels in 4 or 5 directions in advance for temporarily shelter. Friends and world will think it to be stupid. Risk may be there or not, any thing more than 3 or 4 ft snow is expected, it is better to be run away.

 

[sitting]

Really, that last response took my breath away! And I am someone who has survived many a battle in the commodities trading pits. I love this forum...and am compelled to say the following. This is not the best way to dialogue...or to teach. Some examples...

"You're okay with believing a lie?"
My response: foolish question.

"Then your eyes are closed."
My response: my eye are wide open...or at least half open.

"...pretending that what he is saying makes logical sense is basically the first step in ponerogenesis..."
My response: give me a break.

"...the only people I've ever seen write the sentence you've written are people who are totally and completely lost in illusion or lying to themselves"
My response: I think you're exaggerating a little.

BTW, the reason I made the McCanney suggestion is because the C's had previously mentioned his name and work in more than one session. I thought that counted for something. And unless they said he's no longer sane, then I'm going to judge for myself.

 

[herondancer]

sitting, one could ask the same thing of you. You seem extremely upset at anart's dispassionate assessment of your post. You posted some statements telling people to read, without even the courtesy of providing a link to your "evidence". She was merely pointing this out.

As one who has listened to some of McCanney's podcasts, anart's call on the state of his mind is spot on. My time has been wasted more than once listening to rants on how he is dissed by mainstream science alternating with plugs for his products, while never actually getting to the subject matter the podcast was supposed to be about.

 

[Mark]

As one who has listened to some of McCanney's podcasts, anart's call on the state of his mind is spot on. My time has been wasted more than once listening to rants on how he is dissed by mainstream science alternating with plugs for his products, while never actually getting to the subject matter the podcast was supposed to be about.

Agreed! I was amazed when I listened to one - almost entirely full of noise and plugs for products. Worse than meanstream media!

 

[seek10]

Anart,

Why are you so angry? I can even feel your vibs coming off my screen. You can simply tell me you disagree. If there are subjects that are forbidden to be discussed, then just say so. The "inverse" thingy is very simple. Laura said nature causes things and the "controllers" claim as their own. The inverse would be "controllers" causing things and laying it off as natural. Okay?

sitting,
We ( including Anart ) all understand the direction from which you are coming . Here the point is Critical thinking. Many of the forum members read LOT's of books, theorized what can be true or false, under what circumstances, partly or totally of quite Lot of subjects. so, if some body comes to us to say this is True, we ask for the proof.

Even Laura started the C's channeling as a working hypothesis not as a truth ( 10% inspiration). For many of us , C's quotes has multi layered meaning ( some times correctly ) depending on the context , level of one's understanding . so here no body is angry at you.

We just want to challenge your sacred cows ( or emotional investment in specific idea or concept or hypothesis) , so that every body can learn more to survive "the cat and mouse game" of this reality. This is what we do. Well, some people gets irritated or repelled and they move on. This forum has seen Lot of things like cointelpro, pathologicals, all sorts of drama over the years. If you have known all those things, you wouldn't even react the way you are reacting. Try to reply(or think ) with out being offended. No body is angry at you.

 

[Laura]

Why are you so angry? I can even feel your vibs coming off my screen. You can simply tell me you disagree.

I didn't notice any anger nor did I feel any vibes coming off the screen. What I perceived was Anart rather succinctly pointing out some data you seem to be ignoring. (There is a thread about McCanney that you could read.)

If there are subjects that are forbidden to be discussed, then just say so.

There are no subjects that may not be discussed, but perhaps you need to re-read the forum guidelines about the purpose of the forum. If you find that you are not colinear, then you don't belong here because it is not a forum set up for debate.

The "inverse" thingy is very simple. Laura said nature causes things and the "controllers" claim as their own. The inverse would be "controllers" causing things and laying it off as natural. Okay?

As you already pointed out, they claimed 80mph winds but no such winds existed... if they had been able to create them, they would have.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Really, that last response took my breath away!

Then perhaps you should take a moment to take a few deep breaths and try to figure out which one of your 'corns' has been pressed?

And I am someone who has survived many a battle in the commodities trading pits. I love this forum...and am compelled to say the following. This is not the best way to dialogue...or to teach.

As a relative newbie here, do you honestly think you are in a position to know the difference?

"You're okay with believing a lie?"
My response: foolish question.

Only when you're unable to see that you are believing a lie (or many). The fact that you're unwilling to even entertain the notion that you MIGHT be wrong speaks volumes.

"Then your eyes are closed."
My response: my eye are wide open...or at least half open.

Can you not see the hubris behind this statement?

"...pretending that what he is saying makes logical sense is basically the first step in ponerogenesis..."
My response: give me a break.

Sitting, are you even aware of what ponerogenesis is, and how it takes root? If you were, I doubt you would make this statement. As someone who has read McCanney's work, and actually has a lot of respect for it, even I can see he is fairly bonkers, if not completely so. His diet is a mess, he shows increasing signs of paranoia, he's got one hell of an opinion of himself, he's a poor writer (although his technical papers are a lot more coherent), etc. etc. It doesn't change my opinion of his theoretical work, but when it comes to most everything else (history, health, worldview), he's sloppy as hell.

"...the only people I've ever seen write the sentence you've written are people who are totally and completely lost in illusion or lying to themselves"
My response: I think you're exaggerating a little.

BTW, the reason I made the McCanney suggestion is because the C's had previously mentioned his name and work in more than one session. I thought that counted for something. And unless they said he's no longer sane, then I'm going to judge for myself.

That's because his work seems solid. He, on the other hand, does not. Just because the Cs mentioned his work, it does not necessarily carry over to everything surrounding him. Would you trust his diet recommendations?
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[truth seeker]

BTW, the reason I made the McCanney suggestion is because the C's had previously mentioned his name and work in more than one session. I thought that counted for something. And unless they said he's no longer sane, then I'm going to judge for myself.

So we should have to provide proof but you don't? Perhaps you only value the input of this forum when it falls in line with what makes you comfortable?

 

[Cosmos]

I KNEW this was coming. And I AM prepared! : )

so why didn't you present it in the first post ?

And this does not mean I'm necessarily right. It simply means I've looked at the available evidence and decided. It could be entirely wrong. But I do think it is close to the truth.

wich evidence ? yes you have pointed out that you have read a book that explains your idea but you didn't present evidence.
you know people here are pretty busy, and therefor it would be nice if you could present some evidence of that book so that people here can dicide if it is usuful information that needs to be studied.

I knew by referencing McCanney, and possibly the aforementioned book, I may be irking a few people. I'm okay with that. If this hurricane-tropical storm Irene is valid cause for stocking supplies, then there's not much wrong with what McCanney is promoting. Clean water filters and long term seed supplies. It's just sound preparation. Also I see little evidence of him going off the deep end.

people here seem to have come to another conlusion about the present McCanny.
do you think they expressed that without some evidence behind it ?

And there may be a simple way of settling the issue...ask the C's the next time. : )

BTW, the reason I made the McCanney suggestion is because the C's had previously mentioned his name and work in more than one session. I thought that counted for something. And unless they said he's no longer sane, then I'm going to judge for myself.

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if that is the way you are getting your evidence then it tells me a bit about what "evidence" is for you .