Hurricane Irene

[Alana]

Really, that last response took my breath away!

Then the best thing you can do, is sit with the feeling and claim it, sitting, instead of reacting by projecting your own anger at anart.

And I am someone who has survived many a battle in the commodities trading pits.

It seems that mentally and emotionally you are still in that battle, and it shows in your persistence to be right in this situation, as if your entire world dependent on it. This is not a battle field of any sorts, although inside yourself and all of us it is, but a forum for networking, discussion, research and discovery. In the process, big egos get hurt, but that's an opportunity to Work on oneself, not to be rude to other forum members who are trying to help!

What your little examples revealed is a spoiled ego who just won't accept that he/she/it might be wrong, and taking it out to the person who pointed this lie out to him/it/herself, which is far for being appropriate as per our forum rules and guidelines. If you want to continue on this forum you say you love, better get to know what it is all about.

 

[Laura]

BTW, the reason I made the McCanney suggestion is because the C's had previously mentioned his name and work in more than one session. I thought that counted for something. And unless they said he's no longer sane, then I'm going to judge for myself.

So we should have to provide proof but you don't? Perhaps you only value the input of this forum when it falls in line with what makes you comfortable?

Problem is, the Cs saying something doesn't constitute proof. It may indicate that we should look deeper for data/proof, but in and of itself, it means nothing.

But, since we HAVE already looked deeper into McCanney and his situations - numerous members of the forum having had very disturbing interactions with him - the data has already been collected. I'm perfectly comfortable with acknowledging that the guy had some excellent ideas and insights but as the Cs say: "Paranoia will destroya." And you seem to be infected with this paranoia especially regarding deep, dark, secret government weather wars etc.

 

[cubbex]

I was watching the news, it is indeed a big huracane like that movie, "the day after tomorrow" or something. Pretty interesting times, wasn't the united states a 5th density hill?

 

[anart]

Anart,

Why are you so angry? I can even feel your vibs coming off my screen. You can simply tell me you disagree. If there are subjects that are forbidden to be discussed, then just say so. The "inverse" thingy is very simple. Laura said nature causes things and the "controllers" claim as their own. The inverse would be "controllers" causing things and laying it off as natural. Okay?

I see that others have clarified for you while I was in the FIR sauna, but just in case it helps clarify some more, I wasn't even vaguely angry. Not even the tiniest, infinitesimal bit. So, perhaps you can learn from this that just because you think something is true, that doesn't mean it's true? If you can learn to apply that to everything you think, your whole life will improve.

 

[Voyageur]

[quote author=anart]
I see that others have clarified for you while I was in the FIR sauna, but just in case it helps clarify some more, I wasn't even vaguely angry. Not even the tiniest, infinitesimal bit. So, perhaps you can learn from this that just because you think something is true, that doesn't mean it's true? If you can learn to apply that to everything you think, your whole life will improve.[/quote]

It appeared the same to me.

[quote author=sitting]
Anart,

Why are you so angry? [...]
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sitting, like others have said, take a moment to take a big breath and re read what has been written, inclusive of the forum guidelines. Fwiw, as someone relatively new, becoming defensive can be evoked without truly seeing the intent and from what can be read of the intent by anart, there is nothing that should promote this anger you speak of. The moderators do not indiscriminately without great thinking mirror and ask questions of others of their thinking, it is what is required and it is not unjustly so and not delivered in anger which is how you seem to have interpreted the words back.

 

[Nienna]

The point I was making is simply DON'T TRUST ANYTHING too easily. Even something as mundane as the weather report. And be on the lookout for a deeper purpose. Interestingly, McCanney said as much just two weeks ago in a broadcast.

I'm mindful that looming in the backgound of everything that's going on, are the BIG THREE. Comet cluster, twin sun, and wave. I suspect all the present and future machinations on planet earth and beyond are somehow ultimately tied into these driving forces.

I think that what you need to be careful of is falling for the fear-mongering that is being done everywhere. I followed the weather reports on weather.com and it happened pretty much as they predicted. Here in the north-central part of Massachusetts, the winds were between 40 and 60 mph. I've gone through the same sort of winds numerous times while living in the Puget Sound area of Washington state.

There was a LOT of rain, though. But not like in the coastal regions.

I think that some of this blowing out of proportion of this hurricane was to see just how fearful and hysterical the populous would become.

As has been said. It's good to keep an open mind, but don't keep it so open that your brains fall out.

 

[sitting]

To Laura,

First and foremost, I am mindful that I enter here as a guest...in your home. A home you had built through tireless effort over many years. I apologize for causing any disuption. That was never my intent.

Allow me to clear up the one point which started all of this. My line of thought was the PTB projected 80...to get the fear. They then actualized 40, about half, to perhaps limit the damage. I then said they could've actualized 80 had they really wanted to. One hypothesis. Your line of thought in response was they projected 80, but could only actualized 40. So they must not be all that powerful. A different hpypothesis. That's all I was trying to convey.

To Anart,

My two reponses to you were out of character. But something very unusual did happened. When I came to your note, I distinctly felt an aggressive energy coming off the screen. That's why I wrote what I did. Through many years of taichi, I'd developed a sensitivity in my body. The sensation was unmistakable. This was confirmed with a quick check of my blood pressure and pulse. They shot way past normal. This is very unsual for me. I'm certain of the trigger (because of the timing) but I am very unclear as to the true source of that energy. Reflecting on it today (in a public library because we lost power...at that precise time by the way) I'm certain it was not you. I had only one previous episode of this kind. It was about a year and a half ago when I was steep into the C transcripts. Out of the blue while walking in the mall I felt dizzy, like I was zapped. I made it home okay but by then my blood pressure had surged to 190/90. It took the whole night to recover. I had the distinct feeling of being aimed at. I even discussed this with Brainwave in one of the EE sessions I attended. By nature I'm quite down to earth, not given to imagining things. That was clearly a wake up call, as is the present episode.

By the way, in my profession, being wrong is part of everyday reality. I don't have a problem with that. A big ego is an expensive luxury most traders can't afford. Avoidance of reality quickly leads to ruin. I hope you will accept my sincere apology as well.

To all others who gave me their input,

Thank you for your comments. I will try to repond to each issue at the appropriate time. After I have sorted things out. I am going to deal with this entire episode in the same manner I handle a bad trade.

I stop what I'm doing.
I take a nice break.
I assess thoroughly and honestly my positions, assumptions, and most of all, personal biases.

 

[Ben]

When I came to your note, I distinctly felt an aggressive energy coming off the screen. That's why I wrote what I did. Through many years of taichi, I'd developed a sensitivity in my body. The sensation was unmistakable. This was confirmed with a quick check of my blood pressure and pulse. They shot way past normal. This is very unsual for me. I'm certain of the trigger (because of the timing) but I am very unclear as to the true source of that energy. Reflecting on it today (in a public library because we lost power...at that precise time by the way) I'm certain it was not you. I had only one previous episode of this kind. It was about a year and a half ago when I was steep into the C transcripts. Out of the blue while walking in the mall I felt dizzy, like I was zapped. I made it home okay but by then my blood pressure had surged to 190/90. It took the whole night to recover. I had the distinct feeling of being aimed at. I even discussed this with Brainwave in one of the EE sessions I attended. By nature I'm quite down to earth, not given to imagining things. That was clearly a wake up call, as is the present episode.

By the way, in my profession, being wrong is part of everyday reality. I don't have a problem with that. A big ego is an expensive luxury most traders can't afford. Avoidance of reality quickly leads to ruin. I hope you will accept my sincere apology as well.

Could your analysis of this event be completely wrong? It seems to me that if this was an unmistakable, or familiar, experience for you then you wouldn't have acted so quickly and irrationally when you responded. Perhaps this was a reaction based on self importance, and is part of your nature, and you are conducting an over elaborate cover story (for yourself and others). Are you willing to entertain the possibility?

 

[anart]

To Anart,

My two reponses to you were out of character. But something very unusual did happened. When I came to your note, I distinctly felt an aggressive energy coming off the screen. That's why I wrote what I did. Through many years of taichi, I'd developed a sensitivity in my body. The sensation was unmistakable. This was confirmed with a quick check of my blood pressure and pulse. They shot way past normal. This is very unsual for me. I'm certain of the trigger (because of the timing) but I am very unclear as to the true source of that energy. Reflecting on it today (in a public library because we lost power...at that precise time by the way) I'm certain it was not you. I had only one previous episode of this kind. It was about a year and a half ago when I was steep into the C transcripts. Out of the blue while walking in the mall I felt dizzy, like I was zapped. I made it home okay but by then my blood pressure had surged to 190/90. It took the whole night to recover. I had the distinct feeling of being aimed at. I even discussed this with Brainwave in one of the EE sessions I attended. By nature I'm quite down to earth, not given to imagining things. That was clearly a wake up call, as is the present episode.

From a Work perspective, it is much more valuable to take such an episode as proof that you are not in control of yourself in any way. Whether or not 'outside forces' are at work, the fact remains that you are the source of your actions. Thus, you are not in control of yourself. Once you realize this, on a deep level, it will allow you to learn how to be in control of yourself. If you buffer that realization with the idea that you have been 'beamed' or interfered with externally, because your perceptions are accurate and you did 'feel something through the screen', then a valuable opportunity is lost.

At the end of the day, even if you are 'quite down to earth and not given to imagining things', you did , in fact, imagine things in this case - so if you use that as fuel, and don't dismiss it as 'external forces', then you will gain much more here than you can imagine. Apologies aren't really necessary, as long as you use the experience to understand more about yourself. fwiw.

 

[ocean59]

But something very unusual did happened. When I came to your note, I distinctly felt an aggressive energy coming off the screen. That's why I wrote what I did. Through many years of taichi, I'd developed a sensitivity in my body. The sensation was unmistakable. This was confirmed with a quick check of my blood pressure and pulse. They shot way past normal. This is very unsual for me. I'm certain of the trigger (because of the timing) but I am very unclear as to the true source of that energy. Reflecting on it today (in a public library because we lost power...at that precise time by the way) I'm certain it was not you.

I just wanted to say that I have also experienced this type of energy on occasion. For me, it also comes with a sense of urgency to respond mechanically, and with emotional force and projection. It has certainly led to regrettable situations in the past! It always seems to 'pop up' when I least expect it, or haven't 'seen it' in awhile, ya know?

Now, I've contemplated briefly the possibility of an external source, but the source doesn't really matter so much as how I react and what I do. Maybe it is an external attack, maybe not, there is of course no way to know for sure right now. And that is not what really matters, as has been said.

For me the more important lesson has been to be able to recognize that 'energy' (it feels very angry, and dark quite honestly), acknowledge that a program has been triggered, and take immediate steps to stand back and observe what is going on. Until I feel I have a good awareness, I immediately take a time out, rethinking the situation, my potential responses (if any), and try to stop the 'mechanical response' at all costs. Usually, by the time I finish this process, my initial instincts/programming have fallen to the background, and I see just how out of whack I was, and eventually, I see what would have been 'wrong' with my unconscious actions/responses.

It isn't easy to do, but the resources, advice, and wisdom offered here certainly help as tools and techniques to start regaining control over one's own behaviors and emotions. The more I attempt to reign myself in, the fewer these instances have occurred, and when they do, I have a half a clue what to do and what is really going on inside me.

Could your analysis of this event be completely wrong? It seems to me that if this was an unmistakable, or familiar, experience for you then you wouldn't have acted so quickly and irrationally when you responded. Perhaps this was a reaction based on self importance, and is part of your nature, and you are conducting an over elaborate cover story (for yourself and others). Are you willing to entertain the possibility?

Of course, I can't be certain that I am describing the same thing as sitting, but if it is, then I can attest that when such a feeling comes over me, DESPITE the familiarity, it is as if I can't help but to act and speak out, right that second. Again with that unconscious urgency to mechanically respond. Only after this was pointed out to me several times did I begin to see it for what it was. Now I am starting to know and understand better, and I still have a long ways to go.

Fwiw, I think it is great that you are taking the time to fully reflect and absorb what has been said here, sitting. That can really help you get to know yourself better! Everyone here is about helping each other see themselves. At first this can seem really scary, and one can project anger onto others, when there is no such thing. I used to 'mis-read' Anart's posts all the time, many years ago. Now I find them to be invaluable sources of information and learning. (I appreciate everyone else too, just an example)

Thank goodness there is a group of people like this, to 'tell it how it is'! It is a quality that rarely exists in any group of people these days.

 

[Meager1]

I just wanted to say that I have also experienced this type of energy on occasion.
For me, it also comes with a sense of urgency to respond mechanically, and with emotional force and projection. It has certainly led to regrettable situations in the past! It always seems to 'pop up' when I least expect it, or haven't 'seen it' in awhile, ya know?

Yeah, I can relate to this one too. I wonder if it has something to do with these "vibes" interacting with gluten or some other bodily pollutants.

Back when I was a gluten "junkie" I would experience feelings much like that coming from the computer screen as well, but since getting off the gluten and other "pig food" I used to consider as normal eating, I haven`t experienced anything like that.

Pretty frightening to think we could be so easily controlled.

As an aside, just got phone and inter-net back about an hour ago. It went out Sunday morning with the first big gusts from Irene! One branch down in the chicken coop, other then that no real damage to speak of.

 

[shellycheval]

Well that was sporting! I lost power on Sat. about 5PM while the eye was around Norfolk VA, and will probably be without it another 1-3 days. Except for the fact that rainfall in my area (Southern Maryland) exceeded the predictions by about 4 inches, making the total about 12 inches by my rain gauge, the damage level seemed consistent with a cat 1 hurricane. We have a LOT of trees down all over three counties, and the majority of people lost power. The main reasons there is so much tree damage is because the ground here was saturated already, and the hurricane was very large and slow, which just kept the rain pouring down and the winds whipping for a sustained amount of time (about 18 hours) so the big trees didn’t stand a chance. All in all it certainly deserved to be taken seriously and cautiously but it was no catastrophe (Thank You!) except for those poor people whose entire homes, cars, and selves were smashed.

One positive result was that I got to know some neighbors that I had never met before as we all gathered with our chain saws and tractors to clear our private, dirt road of a dozen or so trees that had fallen across it. I will likely be away a few more days until power is restored to my home. Thanks again for all your positive energy.
shellycheval

 

[Psalehesost]

But something very unusual did happened. When I came to your note, I distinctly felt an aggressive energy coming off the screen. That's why I wrote what I did. Through many years of taichi, I'd developed a sensitivity in my body. The sensation was unmistakable. This was confirmed with a quick check of my blood pressure and pulse. They shot way past normal. This is very unsual for me. I'm certain of the trigger (because of the timing) but I am very unclear as to the true source of that energy. Reflecting on it today (in a public library because we lost power...at that precise time by the way) I'm certain it was not you.

I just wanted to say that I have also experienced this type of energy on occasion. For me, it also comes with a sense of urgency to respond mechanically, and with emotional force and projection. It has certainly led to regrettable situations in the past! It always seems to 'pop up' when I least expect it, or haven't 'seen it' in awhile, ya know?

It could be a part of the self that is buried, unconscious, and sometimes rears its ugly head.

 

[HifromGrace]

"...pretending that what he is saying makes logical sense is basically the first step in ponerogenesis..."
My response: give me a break.

Sitting, are you even aware of what ponerogenesis is, and how it takes root? If you were, I doubt you would make this statement. As someone who has read McCanney's work, and actually has a lot of respect for it, even I can see he is fairly bonkers, if not completely so. His diet is a mess, he shows increasing signs of paranoia, he's got one hell of an opinion of himself, he's a poor writer (although his technical papers are a lot more coherent), etc. etc. It doesn't change my opinion of his theoretical work, but when it comes to most everything else (history, health, worldview), he's sloppy as hell.

"...the only people I've ever seen write the sentence you've written are people who are totally and completely lost in illusion or lying to themselves"
My response: I think you're exaggerating a little.

BTW, the reason I made the McCanney suggestion is because the C's had previously mentioned his name and work in more than one session. I thought that counted for something. And unless they said he's no longer sane, then I'm going to judge for myself.

That's because his work seems solid. He, on the other hand, does not. Just because the Cs mentioned his work, it does not necessarily carry over to everything surrounding him. Would you trust his diet recommendations?

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Hey, Approaching Infinity, I wanted to thank you for your clarity in the above quotes, you were gentle and thoughtful.

I’ve fallen (note past tense) somewhere in-between with McCanney. I’ve listened to him on and off for about 10 years. In the past, when I’ve felt paranoid in my life, I’d tune into his show. I haven’t listened for a while now because he indeed does sound utterly mad.

But I had felt that he’s ALWAYS sounded just as intensely nuts, couldn’t speak in a straight line, etc., if anything he’s chilled out some, believe it or not. Out of respect for his earlier work I would defend him and strategically tune out his rants when I did listen.

I appreciate that you took the time to point out the obvious slippery slope in ponderology and the shill aspect (actually, that was anart) – THANK YOU (both).

It’s been hard for me to see the obvious on this one, whereas Alex Jones only took a minute. I’m unsettled that I had blinders on about McCanney.

Which thread discusses this more? I’m at about the 6th one through the search engine, and wanted to stop to say thanks, and while I’m here I thought I’d ask if someone had a link at their fingertips.

 

[SethianSeth]

Just wanted to check in with an update. I live in Brooklyn, in an area which was in the 3rd evac. zone. However, I was in Michigan for a wedding and I missed the whole thing. It was fascinating experiencing the hurricane from this perspective - it was the main topic of concern with everyone I talked to and I was perceiving a very large amount of what felt like "media hype."

My girlfriend was at home alone with the cat (we live with 6 other people - all at the wedding with me) and took the opportunity to make sure our disaster prep was in order. When most of the city was ravaging store stocks of D Batteries and flashlights, she was taking photos of our neighborhood for before and after shots. When all was said and done, the after shots weren't even taken because they would look the exact same, haha. We were so grateful to have the opportunity to put a bit of preparedness to the test, and my girlfriend was particularly interested in gaging the way people were responding to the emergency threat so that we can plan accordingly for this "new normal" in a big city. I am so glad she was home for this, and I wish I would have been there to help as well. Additionally, our building is an old textiles factory and the week before we were flooded inches TWICE in our basement. Everything was so easily prepped because of that and we were just assuming flood damage. None came.

The lessons:

*More glass water containers. Our two water filters were able to prep more water than we could contain and 8 people = a lot of h2o.
*Canned meats and fats! I want to do this so badly, and hate that my funds are so low currently. Asap!
*Little structural integrity in our old beast of a building, so detailed foot and car routes to family in pennsylvania and further along in indiana and michigan.
*Detailed knowledge of all nearby water sources.

I am very fascinated by the analysis that the hype of Irene was a prep from the PtB to gage their ability for control. Best for us to keep track as well, so that we can be clearheaded in all directions.

It is truly wonderful to be a part of this network. I had two major concerns during this experience: 1) my girlfriend and her work with the apartment, 2) this forum and how blessed we are to be connected to such a gifted and empathetic community!

As Irene inched closer to my home, I was able to celebrate the wedding of a dear friend in the wilderness overlooking a michigan lake. I looked up around 2:00 in the morning to a clear black sky FILLED with stars (such a treat when away from the city), and there smiling back at me - literally the first thing that caught my eye - was the "W" of the cassiopaea constellation. This was the first time I have been able to spot it since I found this material and it was a moment where I could breathe deeply and let out a THANKS to the universe for providing mystery after mystery. Never a dull moment!

Oh, and the greed of the restaurant and business owners is something to witness, to be sure. I was expecting it. I knew that unless the whole of manhattan was powered down and floating, I would be at work today. My girlfriend was called in for an evening shift YESTERDAY despite all of the subway systems being shut down. There was definitely a "what? we're not scared of a little hurricane" hubris going on among these circles. Oh yeah, that's the other lesson:

*Tell work "no."

Hope everyone else affected didn't get the flooding or damage too bad, and that the lessons were positive and constructive!