Hydrogen Peroxide: Apparently Good for you?

[Gruchaa]

Hi,

I have read about the healing effects of hydrogen peroxide. What I found is that russian doctor of medical sciences, professor, member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Iwan Pawłowicz Nieumywakin has written a book about how to use that.
For internal use, he recommends to use 3% of hydrogen peroxide (food one) starting from 1 drop in destilate or mineral water glass, 3x times a day and than adding 1 drop per day till you reach 10 drops. Than you need to stop for 2-3 days and starts again from 10 drops and stay with max 10 drops.

Has anyone used that? Do you see any health differences?

Best regards.

 

[Jones]

Here's some info about inhaling hydrogen peroxide:

This first is using 3% peroxide with a nasal sprayer/atomiser:

More info and testimonials on their website:

Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Guide: Bill Munro Method

Explore the Bill Munro Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Method for natural treatment of respiratory issues, asthma, and more. Detailed instructions and testimonials included.

earthclinic.com

Reading some of the testimonials, I'm wondering if inhaling isn't the most efficient way to use peroxide for health purposes. There are a few different conditions mentioned there and since smoking is the most efficient way to get nicotine into the system, I wonder if it isn't the same for peroxide?

The woman in the next vid dilutes 35% food grade peroxide with distilled water to use in a nebuliser. In the comments under the first video, some use the 3% solution in a nebuliser.

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[Kay Kim]

Hi,

I have read about the healing effects of hydrogen peroxide. What I found is that russian doctor of medical sciences, professor, member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Iwan Pawłowicz Nieumywakin has written a book about how to use that.
For internal use, he recommends to use 3% of hydrogen peroxide (food one) starting from 1 drop in destilate or mineral water glass, 3x times a day and than adding 1 drop per day till you reach 10 drops. Than you need to stop for 2-3 days and starts again from 10 drops and stay with max 10 drops.

Has anyone used that? Do you see any health differences?

Best regards.

I think using hydrogen peroxide for internal is not good idea, because you can see there is warning in the bottle “For external use only” or “If swallowed, get medical help or contact Poison control center right away.”
And the Cassiopaean also said that, peroxide is for “topical only, not internal.”

A: If you have bacterial invasion of your oral cavity, awareness of this prompts you to gargle with peroxide.

Q: What is the equivalent of gargling with peroxide after doing a session?

A: Awareness leads to mental/psychic resolve that "will not be drained, the attack will not succeed."

Q: (A) In what sense was I "under the gun?"

A: Injuries/maladies.

Q: The flu and your toe, I guess. Is there any other thing on this attack issue; any area where we are most vulnerable that we need to pay attention?

A: Just be aware of all portals

Q: (B) That sums it up. Is there any benefit to chelation or peroxide via IV?

A: Chelation is preferable to bypass surgery. Peroxide: topical only, not internal.

Q: (L) I guess you could put it in a spray bottle and spritz it all over after a bath

 

[Oxajil]

I wanted to share my experience in case it might help anyone: I had a tooth/gum infection on both sides of my mouth. Touching or brushing my gums in those areas would hurt. I also couldn't fully open my mouth without my right cheek hurting. @Timótheos and @Alana recommended I try diluted hydrogen peroxide (3%) as a mouthwash. So I used a few drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide in a small glass of distilled water and used it as a mouthwash for about 30 seconds. An hour or so later, the pain in my gums went away for 99%. Two days later I repeated the process and a day later the pain in my right cheek also went away. So, it's pretty powerful stuff.

 

[Laurs]

Glad your infection has cleared, @Oxajil!

I remembered during the Covid era reading about a study that was done with a group of nurses rinsing their mouth each morning with hydrogen peroxide, and not developing Covid, while many of the other nurses who didn’t use it did. The study began in March 2020 and was published in August 2022 in the Journal of Hospital Infection.

The study found that:

“The significant clinical evidence of HP protection against COVID-19, and likewise considering that it is also quite safe, inexpensive, and readily available, makes it a valuable prophylaxis to be recommended to protect HCW, inpatients, and all vulnerable groups against COVID-19,” the investigators noted in the study.

The investigators’ observations indicated that daily and regular use for 1 minute duration of HP in low concentrations as a 1% mouthwash and throat gargle, and 0.5% for nasal rinse for the same amount of time, effectively protects against SARS-CoV-2 infections. This imitates HP’s mode of action when used on inanimate surfaces to inactivate coronaviruses. The investigators say that HP, therefore, has the potential to mitigate this pandemic, a solution simpler than had been imagined when it had been proposed previously.

And according to a dental hygiene magazine, 'According to RDH Magazine, hydrogen peroxide has been used by dental professionals since 1913 for the prevention and treatment of gum disease. It serves as an oxidizing agent and prevents the growth of bacteria in the mouth. Hydrogen peroxide breaks through the biofilm slime barrier, fighting gum disease and other inflammation. The ADA has also included rinsing with a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution in its COVID-19 oral care protocols.'

Incidentally, when I had an infection of a molar last year, I went to 2 dentists and both of them recommended rinsing my mouth with hydrogen peroxide 3% each day, which I did, and still do twice a week. I will dilute it to 1% now.

 

[Gaby]

I remembered during the Covid era reading about a study that was done with a group of nurses rinsing their mouth each morning with hydrogen peroxide, and not developing Covid, while many of the other nurses who didn’t use it did. The study began in March 2020 and was published in August 2022 in the Journal of Hospital Infection.

Yes, I did that during the COVID era every day in winter. Then, you don't want to sterilize yourself indefinitely because you might compromise nitric oxide producing bacteria in your throat and sinuses. I use instead interferon nasal sprays and ointment, and it works pretty well. You can get them from Russia. Hydrogen peroxide is the obvious and cheapest solution for most of us, though.

 

[Nachtweide]

Yes, I did that during the COVID era every day in winter. Then, you don't want to sterilize yourself indefinitely because you might compromise nitric oxide producing bacteria in your throat and sinuses. I use instead interferon nasal sprays and ointment, and it works pretty well. You can get them from Russia. Hydrogen peroxide is the obvious and cheapest solution for most of us, though.

Hello @Gaby , is there a source of supply here?

 

[Adobe]

Just an FYI: What you are discussing doing with the HP (for the gums) I have been doing with DMSO. A 2-3 minute rise after brushing. Once a day. At my age the gums have become an issue, and the DMSO keeps me out of trouble. Not too exact, but I put 5 drops of 99.9% into 1/2 of a shot glass (App 0.5 of an ounce to one ounce) And thanks, for the info on HP.

 

[Gaby]

Hello @Gaby , is there a source of supply here?

In this thread here:

Thread 'Obtaining some hard to get meds'

Dec 5, 2022

Gaby and I have been dealing with a company in Kazakhstan for getting some hard to obtain medicines. The website is here:

RxEli | Quality and Affordable Meds | Worldwide Discreet Shipping

RxEli offers quality, affordable Rx and OTC meds from KZ. Discover a wide range of health products with worldwide fast discreet shipping

rxeli.com

Everything has been translated into English there except when you look at the products, the packaging is in Russian, Turkish, Kazakh, or whatever the origin of the product. So far, I haven't had any problems with customs.

I've just made my 4th order. Everything comes nicely packed, and they take care of you with any customs declarations. You can tell them what you need regarding shipping on the order form. Payment is made by bank...

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First link provided in the first post, and then do a search for "rupharma" on that same thread so you can get an idea of the shopping experience. The suppositories are not a bad idea because interferon is very good for rhinoviruses and respiratory viruses in general. If you come down real hard, suppositories are just as good as parenteral use. The problem is that it has to be kept in the fridge at all times, so you order in Winter, not in the Summer.

 

[hlat]

Primal Life toothpaste manufacturer discourages the use of hydrogen peroxide because they say hydrogen peroxide erodes teeth enamel. So maybe hydrogen peroxide is good for targeted use and not indefinite use?

 

[Fluffy]

I wanted to share my experience in case it might help anyone: I had a tooth/gum infection on both sides of my mouth. Touching or brushing my gums in those areas would hurt. I also couldn't fully open my mouth without my right cheek hurting. @Timótheos and @Alana recommended I try diluted hydrogen peroxide (3%) as a mouthwash. So I used a few drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide in a small glass of distilled water and used it as a mouthwash for about 30 seconds. An hour or so later, the pain in my gums went away for 99%. Two days later I repeated the process and a day later the pain in my right cheek also went away. So, it's pretty powerful stuff.

I’ve been using 6% solution undiluted as a mouthwash every night…. Now you have me thinking I could be overdoing it, though I have no side effects from this.

Any thoughts anyone?

 

[Fluffy]

Primal Life toothpaste manufacturer discourages the use of hydrogen peroxide because they say hydrogen peroxide erodes teeth enamel. So maybe hydrogen peroxide is good for targeted use and not indefinite use?

They might just be trying to sell their product.

High levels of hydrogen peroxide in overnight tooth-whitening formulas: effects on enamel and pulp - PubMed

Overnight tray products containing levels of hydrogen peroxide of 3.5%, 7.0%, and 12.0% are not expected to adversely affect the enamel or pulpal enzymes. Additional safety studies are needed to assess the potential for tooth sensitivity and gingival irritation.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Conclusions: Hydrogen peroxide does not adversely affect enamel morphology or microhardness. The levels recovered in pulp indicate that hydrogen peroxide is not expected to inhibit pulpal enzymes.

Clinical significance: Overnight tray products containing levels of hydrogen peroxide of 3.5%, 7.0%, and 12.0% are not expected to adversely affect the enamel or pulpal enzymes. Additional safety studies are needed to assess the potential for tooth sensitivity and gingival irritation.

 

[Gaby]

Any thoughts anyone?

I think a lot of people are fond of mouth washes, thinking they're reducing gingivitis and dental problems. But if you wipe out the good bacteria in your mouth, you're impairing nitric oxide production.

The use of antibacterial mouthwash for seven days has been shown to reduce oral nitrite production by 90% and plasma nitrite levels by 25%.8 That same research found systolic and diastolic blood pressure elevation correlated with decreases in circulating nitrite concentrations. The loss of nitric oxide production is associated with major cardiovascular risk factors.9,10

More info here:

Nitric oxide: An essential product of the oral microbiome

Nitric oxide is an essential molecule involved in several physiological and pathological processes within the body—however, what we do in the dental chair may impede nitric oxide...

www.rdhmag.com

 

[Fluffy]

I think a lot of people are fond of mouth washes, thinking they're reducing gingivitis and dental problems. But if you wipe out the good bacteria in your mouth, you're impairing nitric oxide production.


More info here:

Nitric oxide: An essential product of the oral microbiome

Nitric oxide is an essential molecule involved in several physiological and pathological processes within the body—however, what we do in the dental chair may impede nitric oxide...

www.rdhmag.com

Well thank you Gaby for your wealth of knowledge, I will stop immediately. It’s something I’ve only started doing in the past week so hopefully I haven’t caused too much damage

 

[monotonic]

I use an alcohol free mouthwash that has xylitol and essential oils (Lumineaux). From what I understand it is antibacterial mouthwashes, IE with alcohol or additives which are powerful enough to disproportionately affect the biome that cause problems. If you eat a lot of carbs, then the healthy biofilms cannot get established before the other things take over. If your solution is to wipe out everything with alcohol or something strong, then you may stun the biome for a bit, but you won't be getting the healthy biofilm any time soon. I read that peroxide often helps with receding gums, but the long term result is degradation of the mouth due to tissue damage.

long term devastation of all biofilms in the mouth can lead to ulcers.

Personally, I dealt with abscesses by dropping carb intake, supplementing turpentine and continual high dose vitamin C all at once while brushing and keeping my mouth clean from dissolved food. If any of those were missing it didn't work. The abscess seemed to be due to molars pinching tissue, but once the bacterial issue was taken care of the irritation reduced from a futile swelling reaction to a sensible feeling of pinched tissue which finally healed.

I read Ellie Phillips' book on teeth health which in my experience has turned out well. The strongest rinse she mentioned which may be worth using is Chlorhexidine, but then again it's been a while since the book was published. However after my experience I think that using stronger and stronger chemicals to rinse the mouth is not an effective way to deal with deeper infections if there is any chance of avoiding an extraction. The turpentine was very effective, but I think I am also lucky in not having such advanced decay.

The take home for me from my reading and experience is that when you have a means of dealing with the other issues such as eventual colonization by the pathogens (brushing) and deeper infections (vitamin C, low carb etc), then what helps is to just rinse your mouth after meals of anything the bad bacteria can eat. Solid pieces of food are not as bad as plant matter and sugars dissolved in the saliva. These are mainly what feed those bacteria. You can prevent a huge amount of colonization from the beginning just by rinsing that stuff out with water or end the meal with something the bactera can't effectively eat such as fat or protein. You don't need a nuclear mouthwash, just something that won't feed the bad bacteria. This slows the growth of plaque very effectively.

If you maintain your mouth this way, then the good bacteria will naturally flourish although you still may need to support the nitrate producing bacteria somehow. When you have healthy biofilms they will further forestall the growth of things which will damage teeth.