I am Gurdjieff, I Will Not Die (Part I of III)

Helo i found a few videos about Gurdjieff :) if someone is interested a little bit in what he was doing....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8GV0MX6Z00
 
I had heard before that Gurdjieff had met Stalin , at a seminary or at the train Works,
but the claim he had Correspondance with Adolf ?

Has this information been verified ?
 
SocietyoftheSpectacle said:
I had heard before that Gurdjieff had met Stalin , at a seminary or at the train Works,
but the claim he had Correspondance with Adolf ?

Has this information been verified ?
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I just finished watching the 3 parts. Unfortunately there is no verifiable proof of any of what they say, it would be nice to know where they got their info from.

Still, an interesting little mini doco, the part where they allude to G's car crash being the work of Stalin is interesting, especially if it's true.
 
987baz said:
SocietyoftheSpectacle said:
I had heard before that Gurdjieff had met Stalin , at a seminary or at the train Works,
but the claim he had Correspondance with Adolf ?

Has this information been verified ?
Click to expand...

I just finished watching the 3 parts. Unfortunately there is no verifiable proof of any of what they say, it would be nice to know where they got their info from.

Still, an interesting little mini doco, the part where they allude to G's car crash being the work of Stalin is interesting, especially if it's true.
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After watching it, I too feel that it is too conspiratorial w.r.t to his so called interactions with Thule society, Hitler, stalin and Hitler asking him to come to Germany etc. Tone of the narrator hinting Hitler and Stalin might have got the power of controlling people from G is little too much IMHO. I am not sure whether he died in car accident and woke up later etc., but looked like too sensational.
 
seek10 said:
987baz said:
SocietyoftheSpectacle said:
I had heard before that Gurdjieff had met Stalin , at a seminary or at the train Works,
but the claim he had Correspondance with Adolf ?

Has this information been verified ?
Click to expand...

I just finished watching the 3 parts. Unfortunately there is no verifiable proof of any of what they say, it would be nice to know where they got their info from.

Still, an interesting little mini doco, the part where they allude to G's car crash being the work of Stalin is interesting, especially if it's true.
Click to expand...
After watching it, I too feel that it is too conspiratorial w.r.t to his so called interactions with Thule society, Hitler, stalin and Hitler asking him to come to Germany etc. Tone of the narrator hinting Hitler and Stalin might have got the power of controlling people from G is little too much IMHO. I am not sure whether he died in car accident and woke up later etc., but looked like too sensational.
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My own opinion is that the car crash was a HOAX.

It would have tested all of Gurdjieffs skills.

Stilling the body to mimic death,
Inflicting wounds upon himself,
and enduring the pain, like some Yogi,
but Why ?

because students at a school will often come to Lean too much on their teacher.

G's position after the accident meant the students would have to rely more upon themselves.

I also believe the split with ouspensky was deliberately orchestrated by gurdjieff,
though im not sure if ouspensky realised it at first.
 
SocietyoftheSpectacle said:
seek10 said:
987baz said:
SocietyoftheSpectacle said:
I had heard before that Gurdjieff had met Stalin , at a seminary or at the train Works,
but the claim he had Correspondance with Adolf ?

Has this information been verified ?
Click to expand...

I just finished watching the 3 parts. Unfortunately there is no verifiable proof of any of what they say, it would be nice to know where they got their info from.

Still, an interesting little mini doco, the part where they allude to G's car crash being the work of Stalin is interesting, especially if it's true.
Click to expand...
After watching it, I too feel that it is too conspiratorial w.r.t to his so called interactions with Thule society, Hitler, stalin and Hitler asking him to come to Germany etc. Tone of the narrator hinting Hitler and Stalin might have got the power of controlling people from G is little too much IMHO. I am not sure whether he died in car accident and woke up later etc., but looked like too sensational.
Click to expand...

My own opinion is that the car crash was a HOAX.

It would have tested all of Gurdjieffs skills.

Stilling the body to mimic death,
Inflicting wounds upon himself,
and enduring the pain, like some Yogi,
but Why ?
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I'd say that's giving G too much credit. He was not some superman, he was very human with his own flaws.
 
987baz said:
Still, an interesting little mini doco, the part where they allude to G's car crash being the work of Stalin is interesting, especially if it's true.
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I highly doubt G's car crash had anything to do with Stalin. One of G's longtime pupils talked to the gendarme who discovered G at the accident, and based on what he see saw upon arriving at the scene he said that G had swerved to avoid hitting a dog that jumped out of an open car coming in the opposite direction. He swerved and rammed his car into a tree. That was where the gendarme discovered G unconscious.
 
Data said:
Related: Gurdjieff's Primitive Cosmology
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Thanks Data, I just started reading that thread :)

Beau said:
I highly doubt G's car crash had anything to do with Stalin. One of G's longtime pupils talked to the gendarme who discovered G at the accident, and based on what he see saw upon arriving at the scene he said that G had swerved to avoid hitting a dog that jumped out of an open car coming in the opposite direction. He swerved and rammed his car into a tree. That was where the gendarme discovered G unconscious.
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Thanks Beau, it all felt very unsubstansiated to me too, I guess I was just entertaining the possibility, albeit a very dubious one!

I tried to find some info of the creators of the video to see if I could find where they got their info from, but I didn't find anything.
 
987baz said:
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Beau said:
I highly doubt G's car crash had anything to do with Stalin. One of G's longtime pupils talked to the gendarme who discovered G at the accident, and based on what he see saw upon arriving at the scene he said that G had swerved to avoid hitting a dog that jumped out of an open car coming in the opposite direction. He swerved and rammed his car into a tree. That was where the gendarme discovered G unconscious.
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Thanks Beau, it all felt very unsubstansiated to me too, I guess I was just entertaining the possibility, albeit a very dubious one!

I tried to find some info of the creators of the video to see if I could find where they got their info from, but I didn't find anything.
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This reminds me of the session of 16 April 2016 when Gurdjieff's accident was discussed:

Laura said:
(L) The question asked on the forum: If Gurdjieff was so advanced, how could it be that he was so inattentive that he got into a car accident?

A: He wasn't "so inattentive". He was aware. It was at the point he became fully cognizant of the forces which he had hitherto considered less capable than they actually were.

Q: (L) In other words, he knew more or less what kind of forces there were, but he miscalculated in assessing their capabilities. Is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And after that, he made a lot of changes. I felt like there was something else to it.

(Ark) I don't understand. You drive a car, right? And you hit a tree. That means you are thinking about something else. He was not concentrating.

(Pierre) Not necessarily, Ark. You can hit a car...

A: Due to energetic draining via associates.

Q: (L) So if they can't get a person directly, they can get to them through people close to them.

A: Yes

Q: (Ark) It's still not clear. If you have an accident because someone hits you, alright. Something worked on this someone, this someone else was a tool. But you go on an empty road, you and only you are responsible for what you are doing. And then, at certain point, you decide to hit the tree. It means that you are not yourself. You are a tool.

(Pierre) Maybe he didn't decide to hit the tree.

(Data) There was a car coming out.

(Ark) No, there was nothing. At that time?

(Joe) Very few cars on the road.

(Pierre) Maybe we could ask.

(Data) It was an intersection, and the car came out of the intersection.

(Ark) No, that would be a completely new theory.

(Pierre) What caused the accident then? Did he fall asleep?

(Ark) He hit the tree! Like this guy who crashed and died in front of our house.

(Pierre) But in that case, there was this energetic distortion: negative energy hitting the "protective bubble".

(Ark) Maybe he was drunk?

(L) Was he drunk?

A: No

Q: (L) Was there anything mechanically wrong with the car?

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) He asked somebody to check the car beforehand.

(L) Was it the mechanical thing that caused the accident?

A: Yes

Q: (Ark) Alright.

(Pierre) And actually, maybe this mechanical defect was caused by this energetic thing that was going on.

(L) Associates... Whoever worked on the car. Was it somebody who worked on the car who was acted on?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) So you had this guy doing mechanics who was messed up by higher STS forces, and he forgot to tighten a screw or something. He asked his car to be checked before. So now the question is: Did the mechanic do it intentionally, or was he just distracted and made a mistake?

A: Neither.

Q: (L) He didn't do it deliberately, and he wasn't distracted...

(Galatea) He was possessed!

A: Close

Q: (Pierre) An entity controlled the guy and pushed him to create a fault.

A: The very fact that the car was recently checked should raise suspicions rather than be used as evidence of mechanical correctness.

Q: (Ark) I want to make it clear what was Gurdjieff's fault? Was he driving unnecessarily fast?

A: No

Q: (Ark) What could he have done better than he did?

A: In this case, not much other than be his own mechanic. (...)
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Ant22 said:
This reminds me of the session of 16 April 2016 when Gurdjieff's accident was discussed:
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Thanks Ant, I had forgotten about that session :)

(L) The question asked on the forum: If Gurdjieff was so advanced, how could it be that he was so inattentive that he got into a car accident?

A: He wasn't "so inattentive". He was aware. It was at the point he became fully cognizant of the forces which he had hitherto considered less capable than they actually were.

Q: (L) In other words, he knew more or less what kind of forces there were, but he miscalculated in assessing their capabilities. Is that it?

A: Yes
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I wonder which forces the C's are referring to?
 
987baz said:
Ant22 said:
This reminds me of the session of 16 April 2016 when Gurdjieff's accident was discussed:
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Thanks Ant, I had forgotten about that session :)

(L) The question asked on the forum: If Gurdjieff was so advanced, how could it be that he was so inattentive that he got into a car accident?

A: He wasn't "so inattentive". He was aware. It was at the point he became fully cognizant of the forces which he had hitherto considered less capable than they actually were.

Q: (L) In other words, he knew more or less what kind of forces there were, but he miscalculated in assessing their capabilities. Is that it?

A: Yes
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I wonder which forces the C's are referring to?
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Good question 987baz. I assumed the C's were referring to the 'Lizzies' here but I guess it's not obvious.

My thoughts on this were that it's the 4D STS forces that are most interested in keeping us asleep so they can feed on us. Gurdjieff was getting a bit too awake, making too many waves for their liking so they attempted to put a stop to this.

That session got stuck in my mind as a reminder that anyone in our lives can be an agent, like the car mechanic was. So yeah, always expect attack!
 
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