I could sell lard
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realitybugll
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It is probably GMO. I don't know to the degree this effects the lard. I think if animals are grain fed it will change the triglyceride composition. Also it changes the nutrient composition but this point should not matter too much because lard is just the rendered fat molecules.
On Saturday I will inquire what supply is like. It's possible I could make a bulk order, for a lower price.
On Saturday I will inquire what supply is like. It's possible I could make a bulk order, for a lower price.
realitybugll
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In my view it has not been poisoned but I could be wrong. I think compounds from Round Up might accumulate in the animal's cells. And might be toxic. But Lard, like I wrote above is the rendered fat molecules, with all the other cell tissue disposed. It's true that there is fat soluble compounds that might not be strained. It depends if the toxins are fat soluble or not.
I think you are much safer with lard, then bacon which is still in the cellular form.
From what I understand - Pigs must be fed grains if they are raised in an enclosed area. I have read about supplementation with alfalfa but that is basically half between what we consider a grain and a grass. And it's not the natural diet anyways. The only option is pigs raised in the wild. That's very hard to find in he United States.
I think you are much safer with lard, then bacon which is still in the cellular form.
From what I understand - Pigs must be fed grains if they are raised in an enclosed area. I have read about supplementation with alfalfa but that is basically half between what we consider a grain and a grass. And it's not the natural diet anyways. The only option is pigs raised in the wild. That's very hard to find in he United States.
wetroof said:
Nope. Our pigs were raised in an enclosed area, but all grains they were eating was a non-GMO corn between big meals, like a snack. We gave them plenty of grass, vegetables, rotten fruits and our food leftovers. We tried to feed them as best as we can because in the end we ate them. It is also important that pigs are happy and treated with respect, they should enjoy while they are alive.
grini said:
Yes, grains should only be a supplement and no GMO grains. The GMO grains harm their health - period. A local farm near us was supplementing pastured hogs with local GMO corn. Their sows were losing their fertility with each new generation. They came to us for one our male Blacks, thinking that they needed better genes. When I told them all that they were feeding GMO corn, suddenly the lights went on and they realized the problem. I had told them more than a year earlier that it was GMO corn but it had no effect on them (until they had a problem). How many people out there have been feasting on their hogs thinking fine pastured GMO-free meat? And these farmers bill themselves as "Christian" WAPF followers. It makes feel very sad when I think how much this is going on out there, and that more and more producers will be driven to GMO feeds as the price for non-GMOs increases.
Be careful who you buy from - a pretty website with lots of fun farm pics means nothing.
Goemon_
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Were I live (South of France) I haven't be able to find naturally fed pigs.
However there is an organic producer that said he fed the pig with different grains (no soy nor corn)+ say live outside and eat acorn. And he say that during the last week (or maybe it is the last two weeks, I don't remember well) he don't fead them, that is to say they only eat what is outside. Has it as been said that a grass fed cow wich is grain finished will have as much omega 6 that totally grain fed one, I wander if the inverse is true. And would this organic pig would have some beneficial effect other that some related to the omegas.
If anybody have an idea, it would be welcome.
However there is an organic producer that said he fed the pig with different grains (no soy nor corn)+ say live outside and eat acorn. And he say that during the last week (or maybe it is the last two weeks, I don't remember well) he don't fead them, that is to say they only eat what is outside. Has it as been said that a grass fed cow wich is grain finished will have as much omega 6 that totally grain fed one, I wander if the inverse is true. And would this organic pig would have some beneficial effect other that some related to the omegas.
If anybody have an idea, it would be welcome.
Goemon_ said:
Goemon, finishing the pigs on a natural diet will certainly help (assuming they have enough to eat) but the effects of a grain diet run deep. The meat takes on more of a white color (grain fed) and the taste is less appealing. For example, Ted Slanker's (Texas) pigs are fed zero grains and the meat is dark and some of the best tasting (imo). Range fed pigs will have less fat but if you buy the fattier cuts and roasts, there will be plenty of fat in the cook pot.
You might ask your organic producer if he can raise a few pigs on the natural range (this requires much more range per pig) - expect to pay more though.
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Mrs. Peel said:
Yeah, pouring it direclty in the box seems like a bad idea. I guess it would be better to use ziplock bags or saran-wrap if the fat is solid enough. This wouldn't add much weight and would be safer for sure.
I can immagine the fat oozing from the package in hot temperature and the poor delivery guy handling it.
realitybugll
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I was waiting for that reaction. I think I would pour it at about 100 degrees F ideally. And I would need figure out what the cardboard is lined with. I could use saran wrap. but plastic bag is probably not a good idea based on the type of plastic. and I would want to fill the box to its highest capacity.
I don't have one of this flat rate boxes with me at the moment. but I have used them and I think it is secure.
It's possible if the box was at 100 degrees continuously, the fat molecules would soak through the cardboard. I've seen fat soak through paper - but it is different than water to some degree.
I don't have one of this flat rate boxes with me at the moment. but I have used them and I think it is secure.
It's possible if the box was at 100 degrees continuously, the fat molecules would soak through the cardboard. I've seen fat soak through paper - but it is different than water to some degree.
anart
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wetroof said:
For the reaction of common sense?
wetroof said:
If you do not line it with sealed plastic, it will be a disaster, no question. Wetroof, I think it's best that you focus on getting and keeping lard for yourself and not selling it to other people on this forum. The fact that you honestly think it's a good idea to put lard into a cardboard box for mailing without a plastic lining indicates that you aren't really capable of doing this in a way that is safe and manageable for all involved.
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wetroof said:
Why making research on the cardboard itself when all you would have to do it to simply wrap it somehow so it is protected from external contamination and dosen't leak? Seems like going over a lot of trouble for nothing to my eyes because putting straight lard in a box dosen't really make sense to begin with. All solid fats I know that are stored in cardboard boxes are all wraped in a plastic film. Even the stuff they use at McDonald's for deep frying. It's just common sense like anart said. That stuff is going to end in someone's system anyways so you have to take precautions. It's not like shipping plasticine.
Peace.
I agree with Anart, wetroof. I wouldn't buy lard from you because you don't have a clue what you are doing or what happens to stuff in the mail, or the fact that most toxin are STORED IN THE FAT, not the flesh. So I think we need to just end the discussion.
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