ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?

[Ennio]

Risking your life for a monthly salary to help others has a very bad reputation.

Was once shooting pool with a highschool friend of mine when a big brawl erupted between two groups of guys. Punches, kicks and bodies flying everywhere. One of the groups ran out of the poolhall in unison, and one of those guys, moments later, returned with a gun.

Everyone in the poolhall who was watching this unfold, including me, dropped to the ground when we saw the guy with the gun - who was now aiming it at someone from the opposing group. Everyone but my friend that is. From the ground I was yelling at him to get down, and just then we heard the gun fire.

Before the shooter even ran off, having just shot a guy in the leg, my friend was running to help the guy shot, to help stem the bleeding. Years later he joined the NYPD, and was commended for his acts as a police officer on at least one occasion that I know of.

Not saying that all police are like him. Heck, I've heard a number of first and second hand accounts (not to mention the news), which suggests that A LOT of cops are s***. But I also think a good many of them are well meaning and brave (like my friend), and that the entirety of the profession shouldn't be disparaged out of hand because the good ones - the responsible ones - do quite often have to deal with A LOT of crap in sometimes very fraught and dangerous situations, and are likely not given the recognition they deserve because they are just doing their jobs.

 

[JEEP]

Regarding police, in the suburb of Columbus, OH, where I live, the police are well regarded and respected. This is primarily because our city has very high standards for vetting/qualifying to be a police officer - much higher than the average. I personally was assisted by one of our police when my tire was taken out by a concrete block sitting in the road that I didn't see at all. He saw me pulled over and stopped to see what the problem was and proceeded to change my tire. Unfortunately, I failed to get his name, but tragically, I believe he was one of two police who died in response to a domestic violence situation. The entire city experienced grief and shock from this horribly tragic loss of two exemplary policemen.

My former hairdresser (now retired) has a son who's a city policeman. Knowing her and her conversations regarding him, I no doubt believe he, too, is one of the good ones. I feel lucky to live in a city in which the police are not to be feared, but can be counted on. Can't say that applies to Columbus as there seems to be a lot of controversy and turmoil with police operations there with politics seemingly part of that. Columbus is also an unofficial sanctuary city, totally blue, but my city has also gone from decidedly red to blue since I moved here in 1988. I never thought that could be possible.

 

[JEEP]

Speaking of anti-police sentiment, isn't that just a continuation of the general feminists' attacks on white males that rather recently got injected into social discourse as the vast majority of police are white males. That whole attack mode made me so angry as overall, these are very good, brave men who put their lives on the line to help people in trouble while also being subjected to some of the worst abuse possible. Where in God's name would society be without such men - you know the answer as it's now being played out. How obvious is it that these men are being eliminated primarily via war all over the world. Our protectors are being either killed off or otherwise incapacitated by physical/mental health. (Geez - even Israeli forces are committing suicide now!) All part of the plan and now it's a psychological attack using public perception to vilify these good men. Not to say the very bad apples among our police forces should get a pass. No, we need to step up our reasonable alarm regarding the over-militarization of our police and the IDF component of that. Needless to say, the governance system that's been put into place makes that objective extremely difficult, but fighting increasing totalitarianism has always been a hard fought battle. That we're in the ultimate good vs evil contest of wills (and fight for our souls) seems evident as the manipulations and orchestrations continue to ramp up. Let's keep our wits about us and continue to stay unified against all the divide and conquer dark forces.

 

[JEEP]

A worthy reminder of note:

Some deaths spark endless outrage. Others quietly disappear when they do not fit the script.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010417720958087211

Grok:
Justine Damond (née Ruszczyk), a 40-year-old Australian-American yoga teacher, was fatally shot on July 15, 2017, in Minneapolis, MN. She called 911 twice reporting a possible assault in an alley behind her home. Officers Mohamed Noor and Matthew Harrity responded. Damond approached their squad car; Noor fired once through the window, hitting her in the abdomen. She died at the scene despite CPR.

Noor claimed self-defense, citing fear of ambush. He was convicted in 2019 of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter, sentenced to 12.5 years. The murder conviction was overturned in 2021; he was resentenced to 4.75 years for manslaughter and released in 2022.

No body cameras recorded the incident. Her family received a $20M settlement from the city. Public reactions included vigils, calls for police reform, and criticism from Australian officials. Diverse views noted inconsistencies in police accountability compared to other cases.

Reasonable people overall can see what's really going on and those people voted for Trump out of self-preservation. Same people are wondering if the script has been flipped. Zionist are not us and don't turn our police into IDF!

 

[FM258]

A worthy reminder of note:

Some deaths spark endless outrage. Others quietly disappear when they do not fit the script.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010417720958087211

Reasonable people overall can see what's really going on and those people voted for Trump out of self-preservation. Same people are wondering if the script has been flipped. Zionist are not us and don't turn our police into IDF!

I have been reading all sides of this and see points made by both...I feel like im compelled to take a side. But because thats the programming, I reject it. There is enough blame to pass around to all involved. Play with fire, sometimes you get burned.

Life is rarely "fair."

Limiting your interactions with armed men will decrease your likelihood of being shot.

 

[SummerLite]

Exposing who has set up these "protests" is helpful I think and may reach some who are on the fence about getting involved.

This is the USA having a color revolution, obviously. How did we miss it?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1980006956287901984

 

[JEEP]

Good's death not in vain:

Trump suffers Minneapolis meltdown as president flinches at ICE shooting and aides panic: 'He doesn't like it'

Donald Trump has expressed grave reservations about the optics for his immigration crackdown after an ICE agent shot dead a protester in Minneapolis last week.

Renee Good, 37, was killed during the crackdown that has seen thousands of ICE officers flood the Twin Cities, yanking people from cars and homes while confronting angry protesters demanding they leave.

White House aides are privately worried that Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem's tactics are eroding public support, with prominent conservative voices Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly criticizing the administration's handling.

Trump has even admitted that it 'looks bad' and wants to see ICE agents conducting deportations not fighting with protesters, according to a report from Axios.

'I wouldn't say he's concerned about the policy,' said a top Trump adviser. 'He wants deportations. He wants mass deportations. What he doesn't want is what people are seeing.

'He doesn't like the way it looks. It looks bad, so he's expressed some discomfort at that… There's the right way to do this. And this doesn't look like the right way to a lot of people.'

Trump has been shown private polling that shows independent, moderate, and minority voters are losing support for the crackdown. Those voters were key to his 2024 victory and will be essential in the 2026 midterms.

The internal GOP poll found 60 percent of independents and 58 percent of undecideds believe Trump is 'too focused' on deportations.

It would seem the public is beginning to see the danger of an unchecked homeland police force and are speaking up! Has the Leftist protest side also recognized their part in contributing to this danger? Both sides need to get themselves under control via self-restraint although the Feds will have to address ICE procedures and hope the reasonable Leftists get a clue on their own as they have nothing but contempt for the Feds and the Prez. Will state governors and mayors now start to rein in their own inflammatory rhetoric realizing their citizens can lose their lives if they don't dial it back?

ICE Barbie looking a little worse for wear - is she starting to feel the heat?

Adding to the discontent from both sides, Good did not get the immediate medical help any human being deserves. A doctor on scene was denied access to her, but was instead forcibly told that DHS medics were coming to deal with the situation. It was later reported that she was found to still have a weak pulse despite two gunshot wounds to the chest, one to the forearm, and an additional possible wound to her head. Would a quicker response saved her life? I have to feel sympathy for her wife and her family even if their foolish actions brought about this tragedy because decent human beings don't celebrate that kind of loss (Charlie Kirk case in point).

Now two families (both the shooter's and the victim's) are being subjected to terrible pain and suffering because of this totally avoidable incident. Has the lesson been learned . . .

 

[SummerLite]

Will state governors and mayors now start to rein in their own inflammatory rhetoric realizing their citizens can lose their lives if they don't dial it back?

I doubt it, they don't care about these peoples lives as they are their foot soldiers in the battle. Its more likely they'll double down. But, if the leaders are taken down, the governor and mayor and satellite conspirators, then lives can be saved.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

But honestly, there's great cops and there's evil ones. The position attracts psychopaths and narcissists for sure, but it also attracts people who just want to really help keep their neighborhoods safe as well.

Even good police officers can find themselves in situations where things get complicated in an instant, and they end up acting inappropriately. Training isn't always sufficient for some officers in very specific situations (although I think the topic of vehicle stops and related protocols should be thoroughly rehearsed).
The profile of ICE agents should move away from the "good guy" stereotype. They are people who work with migrants, many of whom are extremely brave and willing to take risks to avoid being caught or deported. This case has already been discussed extensively, but I'm glad it was handled well here and dissected for purely analytical purposes. We can see where this will lead, and it's a situation from which there's little chance of recovery.

Regardless of how each person believes things should have been handled to prevent this, the most likely outcome is that the ICE agent will be acquitted and, at most, demoted to calm things down. We can't know exactly what the woman was thinking, even though we suspect she wanted to flee, perhaps even run him over, or that she was so furious and acted so quickly that she didn't realize how rapidly the situation changed and that she had a man in front of her who might have felt threatened.

Undoubtedly, some protocols weren't followed correctly (or perhaps they were, depending on the argument). In short, this whole situation was nothing new, and it's an inevitable clash that was going to happen—and will continue to happen—between two equally hysterical sides.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

@ScioAgapeOmnis But honestly, there's great cops and there's evil ones. The position attracts psychopaths and narcissists for sure, but it also attracts people who just want to really help keep their neighborhoods safe as well.

Even good police officers can find themselves in situations where things get complicated in an instant, and they end up acting inappropriately. Training isn't always sufficient for some officers in very specific situations (although I think the topic of vehicle stops and related protocols should be thoroughly rehearsed).

The profile of ICE agents should move away from the "good guy" stereotype. They are people who work with migrants, many of whom are extremely brave and willing to take risks to avoid being caught or deported. This case has already been discussed extensively, but I'm glad it was handled well here and dissected for purely analytical purposes. We can see where this will lead, and it's a situation from which there's little chance of recovery.

Regardless of how each person believes things should have been handled to prevent this, the most likely outcome is that the ICE agent will be acquitted and, at most, demoted to calm things down. We can't know exactly what the woman was thinking, even though we suspect she wanted to flee, perhaps even run him over, or that she was so furious and acted so quickly she didn't realize how rapidly the situation changed and that she had a man in front of her who might have felt threatened. Undoubtedly, some protocols weren't followed correctly (or perhaps they were, depending on the argument).

In short, this whole situation was nothing new under the sun, and regardless of the minor details and things that need improvement (which aren't being addressed), it's an inevitable clash that was going to happen—and will continue to happen—between two equally hysterical sides.

 

[Joe]

To me, this is pretty much an example of, if you play in the dirt, you are going to get dirty. If the lady had complied, she would be alive today, in my opinion,

I think the question we've whittled it down to is beyond that. What you say is a truism, but it doesn't address the question of whether or not non-compliance (or attempting to flee while *possibly* slightly touching a police officer) justifies being shot dead. For me, that's the only bone of contention. But it's probably academic.

There have been enough police shootings in the USA that, at least in some areas, people have been conditioned to believe that it's normal that everyone should do exactly what a cop says because, otherwise, you may be risking your life. I have to admit, if that were to become widespread, it's a pretty effective means of control, and probably something that police (and governments) everywhere aspire to achieve.

 

[John G]

We can't know exactly what the woman was thinking, even though we suspect she wanted to flee, perhaps even run him over, or that she was so furious and acted so quickly that she didn't realize how rapidly the situation changed and that she had a man in front of her who might have felt threatened.

Undoubtedly, some protocols weren't followed correctly (or perhaps they were, depending on the argument). In short, this whole situation was nothing new, and it's an inevitable clash that was going to happen—and will continue to happen—between two equally hysterical sides.

They are allowed to be in front when doing an inspection and the guy was videoing the car on all sides and was still videoing when the engine started and the wife seemed about to enter the car. Would be nice if engine starting resulted in all the ICE guys getting away from the car whether inspecting or putting an arm in the car. Putting an arm in the car seems like a bad idea in general but inspecting/videoing for future prosecuting purposes on an engine off car seems OK.

I could see the timing of the backing up and wheel turning spooking the ICE shooter since the gun was pulled with acceleration directly towards him before she turned the steering wheel. The shooter's father claiming his son had concern for the other ICE guy with an arm in the car perhaps explains why he shot and perhaps got hit a bit instead of getting out of the way especially given the shooter's history of getting dragged with his arm in a car.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

They are allowed to be in front when doing an inspection and the guy was videoing the car on all sides and was still videoing when the engine started and the wife seemed about to enter the car. Would be nice if engine starting resulted in all the ICE guys getting away from the car whether inspecting or putting an arm in the car. Putting an arm in the car seems like a bad idea in general but inspecting/videoing for future prosecuting purposes on an engine off car seems OK.

I could see the timing of the backing up and wheel turning spooking the ICE shooter since the gun was pulled with acceleration directly towards him before she turned the steering wheel. The shooter's father claiming his son had concern for the other ICE guy with an arm in the car perhaps explains why he shot and perhaps got hit a bit instead of getting out of the way especially given the shooter's history of getting dragged with his arm in a car.

I see it more or less the same way. Even though the woman turned the wheel and positioned herself in front of the man, he decided to take a small step forward.

That's bravado, since the protocol dictates trying to move aside before shooting. The exception would be if the father's testimony is true and he tried to block her path to prevent his companion from potentially being dragged by the arm (some people can grab your arm and restrain you).

 

[SummerLite]

This doesn't look good for a divided people coming together. Psycho Killer....

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010180377995030793

 

[Andrian]

Since the subject in the following thread is about ICE I'm sharing here below a few short Jimmy Dore show videos where he shows footage of people being arrested and mistreated verbally or physically, even US citizens and children.

I'm not taking sides, I'm not a soccer fan, never was one, but, by seeing these videos I must say that it doesn't look good.

I'm wondering where it could lead this in the near future. Is this whole situation deliberately pushed to further divide the people, keeping them distracted, on the edge, fighting each other while the PTB are enjoying the show? Eventually the PTB stepping in with more draconian measures of control as a solution to the problem?