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ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?
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Jimmy Dore is highlighting some of the concerns I brought up earlier with the Candace take. And I certainly can’t blame him and others for doing it. In fact, I think especially MAGA people shouldn’t be so quick in following teams blindly.
Not seldomly good comedians can highlight and confront things in pretty enlightening and important ways IMO.
For example, in the following video, Dore, Dillon and Rogan hone on some pretty interesting things. For example; that the hiring process of ICE agents seems less than ideal/thoughtful/reasonable, to say the least! Is there any real screening/vetting involved or can just about anyone join and then be set loose on the population with guns with little to no accountability on top of that? It almost looks like it. If so, obviously, that is likely a big recipe for disaster.
What comedians like Dillon are also really good at highlighting is the idea that it is probably not seldomly a good idea to get away from the too abstract notions and ask yourself what kind of people you personally saw and interacted with in life when you grew up (and later).
And then acknowledge that there is really such a thing as rather strange people that you saw and that at times some of them for example might not have been the brightest and/or most moral people or even straight up bully and/or violent people that you recognized as weird and avoided. For good reasons.
AND that it isn’t unreasonable at all to suspect that exactly those kinds of people are most attracted to become ICE agents:
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In reevaluating what appears to be happening in the videos of the ICE vs SUV incident, one can think that Renee was triggered to escape due to the approach of the two agents that just pulled up - agents obviously telegraphing "we mean business" - and Ross was triggered by the acceleration of her SUV while the agent's arm was inside it, no doubt a heightened response due to his own recent dragging experience. So his reaction was less that he was going to be run over than another agent was in danger of being dragged by the woman driver - and to his mind, a f****** bitch, because he was convinced her intention was to seriously harm the agent as well as himself. Renee no doubt realized that the fun and games were over when the two additional agents showed up and that she was quite likely going to be arrested in a very forceful way. She was so alarmed, she took off with her wife still standing there on the outside to face the agents alone. This was a highly unfortunate series of actions that tragically proved deadly for her.
I don't think Ross will be charged considering the entirety of the circumstances. It's quite possible upon reflection, that he might feel differently about causing the death of a female American citizen, a mother of three children, even if he felt totally justified in the heat of the moment. He should definitely be removed from active ICE duty dealing with illegal immigrant apprehensions and the people protesting such operations. One strike and you're out - permanently.
I agree with @Cosmos that it's great that Dore and others are exposing these horrific ICE abuses and the tyranny it's engendering. That the real reasons for these actions are being exposed is especially important and the populace absolutely needs to understand this and get over the my side/your side hysterics that is just playing into the PTB's agenda. WAKE THE F*** UP ALREADY, YOU MORONS!
I dunno. Too many people are seriously brainwashed and bought in to their all blue or all red perspectives. And who knows if actual mind control is a factor as well. We know it's impossible for MSM to accurately communicate the reality of the situation, so it is up to the alternative media to get through to the public all the danger these psyop operations present. Can it be done?
I do want to comment that non-facts are proliferating on both sides which really clouds people's ability to draw reasonable conclusions - even when people have viewed the exact same videos! It's being asserted that Renee was shot in the face, not just once, but three times! What was actually determined, "two gunshot wounds to the chest, one to the forearm, and an additional possible wound to her head." And Dillon and others saying Ross showed no sign of injury after the shooting. That's not how it looked to me - he was limping plus, how much adrenaline was still coursing through his body after that deadly altercation? All these conflicting "facts" are not helping anybody get a real assessment of what's going on - the good, the bad, and the ugly.
I truly hope this is a wake-up call for Trump, but who knows where his mind really is. He's losing his base and enraging just about everyone now! Is he the selected pawn to enact the newest program change since he was the one that prayers stymied the last program change - he didn't get killed as planned?
How ironic would that be?!!
What really got me watching the video the cop was taking was what he said after wards "F**king bitch"To make a long story short, I think that's basically it.
Like it was not a human being he'd just shot at 3 times, but some non-human
I wonder if that is an infection from training with Israeli's, and their Palestinian gestalt.
Can you provide the limping video?
It's the video that Glenn posted here:
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I don't think most regular cops are bastards, but most ICE agents probably are. Because the ICE-agent job profile is a closer fit to 'bounty hunter' than it is to be a legit police officer sworn to 'serve and protect' the citizens within one's own community having some emotional investment in. Whereas 'bounty hunter' will appeal much more to the predatory *hunter* personality types who have no emotional attachment to the communities they go into.
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The vid @Gwenllian reposted addresses that expletive exclamation by Ross - made sense to me. Also, as is extremely clear now, the F-bomb is very much a common and frequently used part of the vernacular. In the past, damn bitch would have most likely been said although not that much difference as to the angry hatefulness intoned. Well, we're well aware it's not the 1950s anymore.
Yes, and I think this is where the Trump factor will play a nasty influence on the situation. Despite seeing some of this some people have jumped so deep into the cult to Trump as the savior that they will defend this.
One of the reasons that Tucker and Candace have been so refreshing is that they had no issue criticizing Trump when he did something questionable, that's the way support should look like in a healthy society. But not these days, these days we have a the ends justify the means type of attitude.
Renee N. Good need to die - the C's could have said -for others to see. Last September there was a similar shooting , in which "DHS has said the agent, who has not been identified, responded with lethal force because he was "fearing for his own life." The victim, an undocumented Mexican that had been living at the US for almost 20 years, had two children in his custody. A sad case, the kids lost his father. He might be alive if he complied.... many would say.
There are agents provocateurs in play, but in whose 'favor'?
I guess it's intended as 'standard operating procedure' for 'crowd control', but it's easy to imagine it being used to provoke crowds further and extend/worsen the situation, rather than calm it down.
I guess it's intended as 'standard operating procedure' for 'crowd control', but it's easy to imagine it being used to provoke crowds further and extend/worsen the situation, rather than calm it down.
Interesting. I just heard yesterday speculation there could be provocateurs dressed as ICE agents like on Jan 6 where some where dressed as Maga. It would be easy with all the face coverings ICE uses, they'd fit right in and no one would notice.
To further escalate tensions in Minneapolis, a crowd of anti-ICE protesters invaded a church and disrupted service yesterday because the pastor allegedly has ties to ICE. Don Lemon joined them. They claim they have first amendment rights, but that does not extend to church services.
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Protesters disrupt Minneapolis church service over Pastor’s alleged ICE ties
Demonstrators interrupted services at Cities Church after online claims connected a church leader to federal immigration enforcement, as protests against
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