ICE agent fatally shoots protester in Minneapolis: Self-defense or police brutality?

[SOTTREADER]

And, I realize SOTTREADER that you keep making fun of those who keep saying that it's the democrats fault for so many things, but the truth is, they are for the most part. Yes, there certainly are republicans who are stealing from the people and who are just really despicable creatures, who are committing fraud among other things, there are in both parties; but the democrats are, literally, on the illegal alien criminals' side doing all they can to keep them in the US for, I would say, many purposes. And, the democrats are doing all they can to keep men in women's/girl's sports, locker rooms and bathrooms; along with maiming and sterilizing children with helping children to transition. They seem to be against the citizens and their safety.

fwiw

Oh God, so someone noticed

Uhm, well, I have noted that something Trump does is always deflect via the Democrats. Basically, the argument is, it's either a Democrat hoax or whatever it is Trump has done wrong, the Democrats would be worse.


There are only 2 options and because the Democrats are worse, by default, we just have to suck up to Trump. This is basically the position.

I challenged myself on this position.

Bush started the war on terror, and what a wonderful war that was.

Trump version 1 gave up Operation Warp speed. Incalculable damage that is yet to be fully understood!

Trump version 2 has now fully embraced his Darth Vader arc and if he doesn't stop himself soon, God knows where the world will be in 3 years time. There's more chance of a nuclear bomb going off under this current Trump administration than at anytime in the last 25 years.

The Democrats are bad, certainly, but the Republicans are also bad.

Basically a no win situation between the two. The system still wins.

So, I only point out the Democrats as a way of pointing out the absurdity in this position of choosing between Republican or Democrat.

 

[Carlos Alberto]

And, I realize SOTTREADER that you keep making fun of those who keep saying that it's the democrats fault for so many things, but the truth is, they are for the most part.

I remember some of those comments. I don't think SOTTREADER's point was to say that the democrats were not at fault for so many things. Rather, I think those comments were directed at a couple of forum members who seem to be fully committed to support and excuse anything and everything that Trump does.

For example, if Trump is being criticized for, whatever, let's say kidnapping Maduro, the Trump supporting forum members would say that Trump is right because the democrats.

Of course, if you are a US citizen, when it comes to the elections, you have the choice to vote republican, democrat, third party or not vote at all. But, even if your team wins and the guy you voted for is in power, I think the right thing to do is to speak up when they are in the wrong. Excusing evil because the other team is worse doesn't seem very sane.

 

[SOTTREADER]

But, even if your team wins and the guy you voted for is in power, I think the right thing to do is to speak up when they are in the wrong. Excusing evil because the other team is worse doesn't seem very sane.

@Carlos Alberto articulated my thoughts well. It's pretty much what he says above.

And this isn't to say one is pro-Democrat.

I can only add that the "other" team being worse may change depending on how deep into the abyss Trump chooses to go. Time will tell.

 

[SummerLite]

My point of view all along has been there is more going on with the plans of team Trump then is seen on the surface. I wait to see how things play out. This is being interpreted as me giving a pass on what some think is "evil" because they have already determined whats going on. This includes Maduro. The times we are in are unique in that the disinformation agents are in ballistic mode. The most egregious are those who plan for the destruction of the US people and the ones that represent them. There are no sovereign and free countries in the NWO and this is what we fight against.

I have no problem at all with pragmatic criticism of Trump when its done in good faith as is the case with those who support their country and want to see success with what has been proposed by the president. It isn't this criticism that is shunned by me but rather those that intend to tare down the man and destroy or fracture the MAGA base and all the good intentions that includes.


The Democrat party in office, not the Democrat citizens, are radical, globalists, communists who intend to radically change the country . We the people fight against this and don't consider ourselves to be evil but rather endeavor to return the nation to a more righteous foundation. Will you believe me, probably not.

Even when the truth comes out many can't or won't see it since the "programing has been complete" awhile ago.

Bless The USA!

 

[Alana]

There are no sovereign and free countries in the NWO and this is what we fight against.

Your entire post is a piece of.... something, but on your point above, seriously?! Sovereign and free countries: Iran, Russia, China... The US is the one fighting against Freedom and Sovereignity. As for the rest:

Trump has cursed the USA to be forever associated with demons sacrificing innocent people through bloodlust, pedophilia and war mongering. I don't know which american needs to read this, but that's how the majority of the world sees the actions of your government right now. And what a lot of sane Americans also perceive. No one has done as much damage to the US as Trump is doing, especially because of all the promises he made to be elected. Three times he wanted to be the US president, knowing what alligators swam in that swamp.

He is in the process of destroying the entire world, life as we know it, because Satanyahu is pulling his strings. He has destroyed his own MAGA base by betraying and going after people who trusted and supported him, and now embraces those who were behind his own assassination attempt, those who murdered his friend Charlie. Those will be the same people who make him the scapegoat for this disastrous, unwinnable war, btw.

I don't care what his best intentions were, I don't care who threatens his life or the lives of his children, I don't care who would have been a worse president than him, I don't care what childhood wounds or personality disorders shape his actions, I don't care how stupid or intellectually retarded he is, I don't care which eschatological delusion drives him. I only care about the results of those actions as they manifest. We will all feel them rather sooner than later, including in our everyday lives.

In the grand scheme of things, his life or that of his children are probably less worthy than all the innocent lives lost so far, and will be lost, due to his actions against Iran, Gaza, Cuba... I so wish some of you Trump supporters were able to feel as much empathy towards the actual victims as you show towards a megalomaniac billionaire who doesn't give a sh*** about you.

 

[Oxajil]

It isn't this criticism that is shunned by me but rather those that intend to tare down the man and destroy or fracture the MAGA base and all the good intentions that includes.

I believe Trump reached a point of no return the moment they killed Khamenei and bombed a school full of young children and innocent teachers in Iran. People voted for no more wars. MAGA is pretty much dead. If there's no willingness to risk everything to reveal the truth and genuinely serve the people, you don't have a leader, but just another puppet. FWIW.

 

[Ben]

I have no problem at all with pragmatic criticism of Trump when its done in good faith as is the case with those who support their country and want to see success with what has been proposed by the president. It isn't this criticism that is shunned by me but rather those that intend to tare down the man and destroy or fracture the MAGA base and all the good intentions that includes.

Last time I said that the Deep State is perfectly able to work around Trump you disagreed. That was before operation Epic Fail started (and they're also now introducing the idea of ground troops!).

Nobody needs to tear the man down. He doesn't need any help with that. He's easily manipulated, delusional, possibly an actual narcissist (with a saviour complex introduced) and has little interest in understanding the system he claims to oppose.

How bad does it have to get?

 

[SOTTREADER]

Your entire post is a piece of.... something, but on your point above, seriously?! Sovereign and free countries: Iran, Russia, China... The US is the one fighting against Freedom and Sovereignity. As for the rest:

Trump has cursed the USA to be forever associated with demons sacrificing innocent people through bloodlust, pedophilia and war mongering. I don't know which american needs to read this, but that's how the majority of the world sees the actions of your government right now. And what a lot of sane Americans also perceive. No one has done as much damage to the US as Trump is doing, especially because of all the promises he made to be elected. Three times he wanted to be the US president, knowing what alligators swam in that swamp.

He is in the process of destroying the entire world, life as we know it, because Satanyahu is pulling his strings. He has destroyed his own MAGA base by betraying and going after people who trusted and supported him, and now embraces those who were behind his own assassination attempt, those who murdered his friend Charlie. Those will be the same people who make him the scapegoat for this disastrous, unwinnable war, btw.

I don't care what his best intentions were, I don't care who threatens his life or the lives of his children, I don't care who would have been a worse president than him, I don't care what childhood wounds or personality disorders shape his actions, I don't care how stupid or intellectually retarded he is, I don't care which eschatological delusion drives him. I only care about the results of those actions as they manifest. We will all feel them rather sooner than later, including in our everyday lives.

In the grand scheme of things, his life or that of his children are probably less worthy than all the innocent lives lost so far, and will be lost, due to his actions against Iran, Gaza, Cuba... I so wish some of you Trump supporters were able to feel as much empathy towards the actual victims as you show towards a megalomaniac billionaire who doesn't give a sh*** about you.

Thank you. It almost feels brave to say it as it is. The way things are going, it may soon be illegal to speak so openly about Imperator Dominus Trumplus Magnus or his associates.

 

[SummerLite]

I so wish some of you Trump supporters were able to feel as much empathy towards the actual victims as you show towards a megalomaniac billionaire who doesn't give a sh*** about you.

Strong words and emotions. You've a right to your position as I do. I don't agree with your assessment in the least. I know I'm the odd one out here and I'm not surprised with the feed back. Your words and views are the expression of hate expressed by people around the world and not new to me. My objective as well as others is to turn that around. Americans who know are appalled with how our country was used and stolen. Once its usefulness was spent destruction is next. The Trump admin gives a chance to turn this around. Of course you don't agree but see him only as another puppet. We'll see. But the fight for the American people continues. Will Trump accomplish some things or will it be to much? It's not a forgone conclusion he's just a puppet, a lot think so, a lot don't. We'll see.

I believe Trump reached a point of no return the moment they killed Khamenei and bombed a school full of young children and innocent teachers in Iran. People voted for no more wars. MAGA is pretty much dead. If there's no willingness to risk everything to reveal the truth and genuinely serve the people, you don't have a leader, but just another puppet. FWIW.

The first assessment of the school bombing was it was an Iran mistake and then the inevitable spin. The truth is always the first casualty of war. There is a tremendous amount of BS being put out now surrounding this war. I am extremely cautious in who I listen to and even that can be lies. This is a opportunity the globalists can't ignore to spin sentiment against Trump and a populist movement. It was easy to see coming.

What I've expressed here isn't my perspective alone but millions as well. The objective for me and others is to remove the power from the criminal and globalists infiltration of the country which others here are so enraged by. Trump has stepped into that position at the most difficult, tumultuous, and dangerous time. It won't be pretty. What comes in the years to come will possibly go in a direction where the most egregious offenses will have been removed and a more sane and just country will continue on without the demons reigning control over the rest of the world. In truth the USA was taken over almost from the very beginning and we've never been free from London, look closer at them. What the controllers didn't see coming was the people actually truly believed they where free and at this time to see they aren't after Biden is an outrage.

MAGA isn't dead like our enemies will have you believe. We will continue on for justice and freedom whether others support us or not. If Trump isn't the man we thought he was we'll find out but not by the angry words of others.

What is important to me in finding the truth, in a world saturated by lies, is good research and unbiased, thorough investigation. Looking at the history over many years. That's what I can use to make a more truthful assessment of what the reality is. That's the #1 reason I hold off on determining what the actuals are. One liners of condemnation are emotional outbursts which distract from getting to the bottom of things.

I'm not your enemy and neither are the American people. You all can be angry as to how things have gone which I understand, I'm rather furious as well. But, I also understand its good not to be carried away by our emotions.

Anyway, we share the same enemy and we're trying to do something about it whether you think Trump is a fraud or not. I'm not a fraud and always endeavor to see clearly.

 

[SOTTREADER]

There has to be a name for what is being exhibited here.

It's beyond mind blowing

Take this for example

The first assessment of the school bombing was it was an Iran mistake and then the inevitable spin. The truth is always the first casualty of war.

I mean.. cmon.. the twisting that is going on... there has to be a name for this wizardry...

And this... who is we in this equation?

We will continue on for justice and freedom whether others support us or not.

It reminds me of this slogan

"No one is safe until everyone is safe"

No one is safe until everyone is safe

To end the pandemic, the virus needs to be stamped out simultaneously across the world, but government hoarding and export restrictions are getting in the way of making this happen.

www.gavi.org

The twisting of language and intentions is well beyond my mind.

What dark arts are being woven here...

 

[SummerLite]

Last time I said that the Deep State is perfectly able to work around Trump you disagreed. That was before operation Epic Fail started (and they're also now introducing the idea of ground troops!).

Nobody needs to tear the man down. He doesn't need any help with that. He's easily manipulated, delusional, possibly an actual narcissist (with a saviour complex introduced) and has little interest in understanding the system he claims to oppose.

How bad does it have to get?

There will continue to be these very opposite opinions on Trump. It seems to me that many people living in the USA and have been a part of this whole calamity for the last 5 years have a more comprehensive understanding of what has taken place. I rarely posted here during the Biden years for fear of a knock on my door. Hopefully, this new sense of freedom continues.

 

[SummerLite]

There has to be a name for what is being exhibited here.

It's beyond mind blowing

Take this for example



I mean.. cmon.. the twisting that is going on... there has to be a name for this wizardry...

And this... who is we in this equation?



It reminds me of this slogan

"No one is safe until everyone is safe"

No one is safe until everyone is safe

To end the pandemic, the virus needs to be stamped out simultaneously across the world, but government hoarding and export restrictions are getting in the way of making this happen.

www.gavi.org

The twisting of language and intentions is well beyond my mind.

What dark arts are being woven here...

What on Earth is your point here SOTTREADER? Is it impossible for anyone to have a noble heart in your mind?

 

[T.C.]

There has to be a name for what is being exhibited here.

It's beyond mind blowing

Take this for example



I mean.. cmon.. the twisting that is going on... there has to be a name for this wizardry...

And this... who is we in this equation?



It reminds me of this slogan

"No one is safe until everyone is safe"

No one is safe until everyone is safe

To end the pandemic, the virus needs to be stamped out simultaneously across the world, but government hoarding and export restrictions are getting in the way of making this happen.

www.gavi.org

The twisting of language and intentions is well beyond my mind.

What dark arts are being woven here...

I think there is a cluster of overlapping pathologies.

Some of it is the kind of mental illness that is exhibited by women who fall in love with imprisoned serial killing cannibals. Some of it is what you see in indoctrinated cult members who are unable to break free of the installed programming of their cult leader.

After billions are dead, SummerLite will reincarnate on a barren Earth with glowing red sky and perpetual wind and she’ll still be saying, “I only care about the truth so I’m going to reserve judgement and wait and see what happens, because democrats”.

 

[Oxajil]

The first assessment of the school bombing was it was an Iran mistake and then the inevitable spin.

That's what Trump was saying at the time, that he thinks it was Iran. Hegseth said they were 'investigating'. There's actual footage that a Tomahawk hit the school. There is video and photo evidence. I don't really understand what you're trying to say, but the fact is that the US bombed that school.

See also:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2031142083365638470

Trump on the girl's school attack in Iran:

Reporter: "You just suggested Iran somehow got its hands on a Tomahawk and bombed its own elementary school. But you're the only person in your govt saying this. Even your defense secretary wouldn't say that. Why are you the only person saying this?"

Trump: "Because I just don't know enough about it. I think it's something I was told is under investigation. But Tomahawks are used by others, numerous other nations have Tomahawks, they buy them from us".

Eh...yeah, pretty sure Iran has never "bought" a Tomahawk from the US, given that it's been under severe US sanctions since about 1979.

I'm not your enemy and neither are the American people.

Of course you're not and neither are the American people. It's the US regime AKA Epstein Coalition and their allies.

 

[SOTTREADER]

What on Earth is your point here SOTTREADER? Is it impossible for anyone to have a noble heart in your mind?

I'm not sure how to say this SummerLite... You've lost your ability to assess the situation that is going on in any way that can be described as objective.

And this is not to say that others can objectively see the world.. it's just to say... You've lost touch.

You twist things in such a way that it becomes discombobulating.

It's just beyond anything I've seen. Well, that's a lie... I've seen this before... my alcoholic dad trying to say he's not an alcoholic... the arguements he builds are just, well... discombobulating.

I wonder, have you ever met an alcoholic that very strongly believed they were not an alcoholic and heard them tell you why they aren't alcoholic? You ever had that pleasure of listening to such arguments from a proper alcoholic? I'll only say one word... discombobulating.

I can't really say anything more helpful. Perhaps other than, beyond politics, it's worth remembering back to what this forum used to be, which was about something called "the Work". There were books and stuff that all related to it and it was all about you know, coming to terms with ourselves as individuals and hopefully building something that had a bit of realness to it. There are loads of books that used to be recommended - they are rarely recommended nowadays though. I think you'd benefit from looking into the Work.