'Idle No More'

Ripred said:
It is a horrible thought that this woman might die because of this sick bunch.

Let's not get carried off here. She might die out of her own free will and what I would assume to be an acutely conscious decision. She does it to bring the message out but Harper is in no way responsible if she dies. However, he WILL have shown himself to be a heartless psychopath once again if he lets the story develop.

Personally I do not understand how this woman can expect salvation by the government making a move here. Maybe she is misled about the nature of the system governing this reality. More likely she fully expects the narrative to develop until her death. In that case I respect her choice but personally believe a woman of such willpower to be alive than dead to prove a point.
 
yes, it's her free will of course. And it's a good possibility that the movement will just bring about the further incarceration of First Nations' people and non indigenous activists and the general furthering of militarization. It is already stirring up racism in the hordes. Regardless of her motives, it's sad that she may sacrifice herself over a standoff with a psychopath.
 
Personally I do not understand how this woman can expect salvation by the government making a move here. Maybe she is misled about the nature of the system governing this reality.



There is already splintering, Chief Spence appears to be saying, let the Indian Act Chiefs lead, and mentions a calling to ( arms..?) and the people are saying no, the people will lead.

It`s going to turn into a violent mess, soon enough if this keeps up.
They are jockeying for leadership positions, already forgetting the women were to lead..
Hopefully it will just be a flash in the pan, an occupy type thing that dies out, before fools turn it into another massacre.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McUaxs53lm0
 
People are trying something rather than just sitting quietly while they (we) lose everything. Unfortunately, whenever people try to do something, it usually goes wrong. But better to try than sit on one's rear.
 
Came across this off MSN article today by a Michael Harris:

Harper’s gamble with First Nations’ rage
Dec 30, 2012

_http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/12/30/harpers-gamble-with-first-nations-rage/

M. Harris said:
As the old year passes, Stephen Harper faces a dilemma: If he can’t attend at Chief Theresa’s Spence’s teepee, how could he possibly attend her funeral?

And yet, if should she should starve herself to death because the PM refuses to meet with her, how could he stay away?


snip said:
With each wasted day, it gets less and less likely the prime minister will blink. After all, what would be the explanation for attending on the 18th day {now 22 day}of Chief Spence’s fast as opposed to, say, the 11th or 25th day? The photo opportunity — Christmas Eve or Christmas Day — has already come and gone.

And who would send Senator Patrick Brazeau as an emissary on any issue, even if you could get him to stop brushing his hair long enough to memorize his speaking notes?

This is the guy who effectively called a CP reporter a bitch, who dubbed the former native organization he headed up a “Mickey Mouse” operation, and who is now suing that same organization — which he says should cooperate with him as a Canadian senator. Brazeau claims that Theresa Spence isn’t a good role model for native kids. Maybe Justin Trudeau punched him a little harder than anyone knows.

While the PM continues to remind the middle-aged aboriginal woman out on Victoria Island who’s the boss, other politicians have made the trek to the teepee or written letters of support, including Justin Trudeau, Marc Garneau, Thomas Mulcair and Charlie Angus.

And then came Joe Clark. It is considered obligatory for a leadership candidate, especially of a third party, to display his human side at every opportunity. It is also good opposition politics to show compassion when the government gives the middle finger in any given situation.

But for a former prime minister, and a Conservative one at that, to pay his respects to Chief Spence presents a challenge to the sitting PM. After all, Harper has shown himself to be the Tin Man of Canadian politics, a calculator on two legs who lacks a heart. You get the feeling he would rather have a root canal than a discussion with someone who had a beef with him.

Those who think the PM is being generous by offering Chief Spence a meeting with Indian Affairs Minister John Duncan have short memories. She already had that meeting. At the height of the housing crisis at Attawapiskat in November 2011, the two got together and nothing happened. Unless you count another meeting where everyone drowned in declarations of goodwill and Perrier water, and nothing happened again...
 
A little update since Harper agreed to meet with Chief Spence this Friday; now today - she has now refused.

This is a day late, as I was trying to post this last night when the server suddenly went down, and today things have changed also (update at the bottom).

_http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/01/09/pol-afn-look-ahead-friday-meeting.html

CBC said:
Theresa Spence pulls out of meeting with Harper
Hunger-striking Attawapiskat chief says Gov. Gen. David Johnston should be at meeting Friday

Earlier in the thread it was mentioned about co-opting, and think it is reasonable to assume that there are political factions who are studying these matters and making, undertaking plans to create instability (actions & press), to give it a meaningless slant, one of being disjointed, confusing, and with no real goal.

There seems, from my limited understanding, to be many fronts to this (and much old history), and many things being sought depending on who. It seems to me also that Chief Spence is being cornered on the financial improprieties from within her own community; it is often brought up in the press. Yet really, this pales to the improprieties of the ruling government et al. Whatever happened there (in this community), it may never be sorted out, and there is likely high mismanagement at the government level.

Now it seems from what can be observed, that average people in Canada are saying, wait a second, you wanted to meet with Harper and now you don't, what's with that? It should be noted that Harper represents the government, not the sovereign Crown and it is the Crown who made treaties. Chief Spence has refused more to the point that the Governor General, this David Johnson, will not be there. Without him, as a representative of the Queen (the Crown), she feels anything less cannot address treaty issues.

There will be people of different native tribes even who have separate ideas (many being undertaken presently by the Government via possible amendments the Indian Act), and there are even tribal leaders who will not see eye to eye with these recent maneuvers. However, in the words of this professor below, he is standing by what and why she is doing it the way she is doing it. Because it is treaties (sovereign issues), not general government issues (common house law), she needs the Crown to represent and has sent letters to Queen Elisabeth II at Buckingham Palace demanding a representative to hear her and her peoples plight.

Non native people do not always see these distinctions, they align with “tinkering” with the Indian Act as a means to an end and this, IMO, is what is happening, it is what Harper is doing, incremental adjustments, yet they control the end game. This bigger picture; Treaties, like in the US, too, has hundreds of years of lies and broken promises, as is the norm for the governing ruling class dealing with any others.

CBC Snip said:
Spence protesting treaty issues

The key demand of Spence, who has been declining solid food since Dec.11 as a form of protest, is a meeting between the Crown and First Nations to discuss what she characterizes as "treaty issues."

The Governor General was seen as an important participant for the meeting, because he represents the Crown, which negotiated the original treaties with aboriginal people.

Spence's news release said Johnston's "attendance is integral when discussing inherent and treaty rights."

"We have sent a letter to Buckingham Palace and requesting that Queen Elizabeth II send forth her representative, which is the Governor General of Canada," Spence said in the release.

The release from Spence's camp said Canada's legitimacy rests on the treaties made with First Nations ancestors.

[...]

'Position with integrity'

Taiaiake Alfred, a University of Victoria professor and an Idle No More supporter, told Solomon that Spence's decision not to go is a "position with integrity" because it's consistent and because the relationship between Canada and aboriginals is "nation-to-nation."

"The treaties that we're fighting so hard to have recognized and respected are treaties between nations," he said. "They're between the Crown and our people. And it's not really good enough to have the prime minister there, who is the person who is in charge of government. We need a representative of the Crown."

Alfred said the native community will splinter politically if Atleo doesn't get good results.

"I think it's a major crisis for Shawn Atleo, and it's a crisis as well for the AFN as an organization because if they can't deliver something meaningful in the minds of the people involved with Idle No More, they're in serious danger of being seen as an irrelevant force or, even worse, as part of a collaborating mechanism with the Government of Canada on their agenda."

Alfred said without progress it's going to come to a point where young people in First Nations will recognize that historically "the government only responds to trouble and they're going to find a way to make trouble for the Government of Canada in order to get a response."

[...]

Exchanges between journalists trying to visit Spence or speak with her spokespeople have been tense, with her representatives often keeping cameras and reporters at a distance and accusing the media of not conveying their message accurately.

Metatawabin told reporters Wednesday that they weren't allowed into the space where Spence was.

"Because of that leaked document with the audit report, we just don't want any negative vibes inside that fence," he said.

"Inside that teepee, in that sacred fire, it's all sacred to us ... We don't want to allow any media inside the boundaries of the sacredness of that fire, and we need to protect the chief. She needs to be at peace, focused on what she needs to do, and that's all we're asking for.

"We'll let you in when we talk about treaty [rights] and obligations and nation to nation relationship," he added.

So today, Shawn Atleo has made his demands and will further alienate Canadians, and even some tribes as he also represents a sometimes divided assembly of tribes.

_http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/01/10/pol-first-nations-chiefs-day-before-pm-meeting.html

CBC -Snip said:
'Poverty is killing our people,' AFN Chief Shawn Atleo says

Treaty enforcement, environmental protection among demands at meeting with PM

By Laura Payton, CBC News

Posted: Jan 10, 2013 10:27 AM ET

Poverty is killing First Nations people, says the country's top chief as he laid out goals for the meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper tomorrow.

Shawn Atleo, national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, says the AFN has heard the voices of Idle No More activists calling for action.

"We are absolute in our convictions and in our determination to achieve our rights," he said.

Referring to the number of missing and murdered aboriginal women, Atleo's voice caught as he recalled going with a family to a morgue after a 16-year-old girl was killed.

"This is what our people are saying. That poverty is killing our people. That the history of colonization and unilateral action on the part of governments will stop now," he said.

[…]

'Poor in our own homelands'

The chiefs also mentioned disputes over changes to environmental legislation the Conservative government made in its two omnibus budget implementation bills in 2012.
"Our treaties were not meant to make us poor in our own homelands. But that's what we see," Bellegarde said.

Wilson-Raybould says the Indian Act needs to be fundamentally changed.

"Imposed solutions will not work," she said. "We have the solutions right across the country in terms of developing and extricating ourselves from the Indian Act."

Earlier Thursday, the prime minister's office relented slightly and scheduled a ceremonial meeting between Gov. Gen. David Johnston and First Nations leaders tomorrow.
The ceremonial meeting will take place at 6:30 p.m. ET at Rideau Hall, following the working meeting, said Andrew MacDougall, a spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Johnston had said that he wouldn't attend a working meeting on public policy, despite demands by some First Nations leaders, including Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence, that he be there in his role as the Queen's representative in Canada.

[…]

Spence has limited her food intake for the past month, consuming only herbal tea and fish broth since Dec. 11. She says she will continue her protest until the meeting happens and said she wouldn't stop unless Johnston was at the meeting.

'Nothing left to lose'

First Nations people in Canada have "nothing left to lose," the grand chief of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs told reporters Thursday morning, pointing to the problems with lack of housing, unsafe drinking water and poor health in the community.

Derek Nepinak said the Idle No More movement has enough people to "bring the Canadian economy to its knees."

"It can stop Prime Minister Harper's resource development plan and his billion-dollar plan to develop resources in our ancestral territories. We have the warriors that are standing up now that are willing to go that far. So we're not here to make requests. We're here to demand attention and to demand an end to 140 years of colonial rule," Nepinak said.

[…]

The variety of First Nations stakeholder groups have brought mixed messages on what they're seeking from Friday's meeting. Spence wanted Johnston to be at the meeting with Harper and other leaders, and refused to go there if Johnston wouldn't.

Representatives from Idle No More have distanced themselves from the chiefs. The grassroots movement is also calling on the AFN to walk out of the meeting with Harper.

I remember in Quebec when the natives shut down the bridge connecting Montreal, and that was a relatively trivial matter, this has potentials to be very divisive in this country as things progress. The maneuvering, co-opting, disinformation and possibly even cases of sponsored happenings by provocateurs may well mark the days ahead.
 
Yes, Voyageur, the days ahead may be very ugly. But how Leadnow summed up the reason to support Idle No More is the important thing.

"Supporting First Nations rights is the right thing to do. But let's remember, with environmental protections now gutted, it's also the smart thing to do. Treaty rights mean that First Nations can resist the onslaught of the Harper Conservatives' antidemocratic agenda in crucially important ways that non-First Nations Canadians cannot. Relatively few Canadians really understand this. Please read this important article, and share it. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/mr-harper-one-short-meeting-wont-end-native-protests/article7209111/"

Idle no more is pretty much the only shot in the dark we have at C45
 
Ripred ] Yes said:
I'm aware of it, Voyageur. Have been posting stuff about it and sharing on my FB page as it comes in.

There are many who would thank you. In the moral and ethical reality of what should happen, it is simple, yet made very complicated and divisive. On the FN side, having so many individual nations/tribes and provincial made revenue plans, it is hard to keep focus on what, who, why and where things are coming from. The rift between Chief Atleo and Pamela Palmater, previously mentioned (she is mentioned in this post), will be something to pay attention to and undestand. The press also will be working to shape opinion with a host of authoritarians; am already seeing many signs. Provincial, corporate (very quietly) and federal players will be laying down plans and each will need to be evaluated on what they say and don't say. Also, Canada has a history of bringing out the military when things are not to their liking and there is thinking along these lines if things go sideways; perhaps made purposeful by agent acts - it is possible, has been done before, so this is another area to take some notice of any acts and rhetoric along these lines, if things are pushed in a certain direction.

Deeply inside, most human beings know what is right, yet the pathological process, whether in dealing with Austrian aboriginals, Siberian peoples, US/Canada/Central/South American peoples has a ugly history and we know what histories are capable of doing.

Someone said today, well they have been given much, they are integrating, we just need to fix a few problems. Was left thinking about the Palestinian's behind a wall, like the Indians hidden behind an Act of Parliament and reservations, until they become invisible, held in their prescribed enclaves with the plan to make them just disappear. In the 1970's remember talking about what many do not realize about the north, what is within the Canadian Rock Shield, minerals, water et al, it is an enormous resources. The Indian treaties, such as the Quebec Cree's, hold many treaty titles and the PTB will never willingly give what has been corporately spoken for away, even if it was never theirs to begin with.

In the words of Chief Joseph - Nez Perce in the US
Good words do not last long unless they amount to something. Words do not pay for my dead people. They do not pay for my country, now overrun by white men. They do not protect my father's grave. They do not pay for all my horses and cattle.

Good words will not give back my children. Good words will not make good the promise of your War Chief. Good words will not give my people good health and stop them from dying. Good words will not get my people a home where they can live in peace and take care of themselves.

I am tired of talk that comes to nothing. It makes my heart sick when I remember all the good words and all the broken promises. There has been too much talking by men who had no right to talk.

I hope "words" in the next while will amount to something more for peoples the world over. Will have to wait and see, yet it seems a fleeting prospect and will require much help for the words to mean something more than they ever have. I am sorry to sound pessimistic, yea of little faith, yet what is seen of mankind is getting more and more hollow in the fruits that are being produced. Nevertheless, not being idle is our responsibility to each other and will continue on.
 
Couple of things could add if up to this date. As anyone who has been following the big meeting between Harper and some of the chiefs knows, they met somewhat, and agreed to meet again in the coming weeks.

_http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/01/13/idle-no-more-atleo.html

CBC {snip} said:
A delegation of chiefs lead by Atleo presented Harper with a list of eight points requiring "immediate" action.

The AFN came up with that list after meeting with First Nations leaders in strategy sessions held in the lead-up to Friday's working meeting with the prime minister.

A commitment to working on treaty relationships, resolution of land claims, and resource revenue sharing were listed as the top three issues on that list.

"It was an opportunity where the prime minister stayed for the entire meeting which wasn't expected," said Atleo adding that "the urgency of this moment requires for us to get on with that work, and [the prime minister] committed to doing that.

[…]

"Treaty leaders themselves will have the opportunity to explore how to implement this mandate that the prime minister is expressing so we can get on – treaty by treaty, nation-to-nation – with treaty implementation to transform the lives of our people and support lifting them out of poverty," said Atleo.

Some Chiefs are calling for Chief Spence to end her hunger strike, yet she refuses.

Quebec Grand Chief calls on Spence to end hunger strike

_http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/01/12/pol-the-house-matthew-coon-come-calls-on-theresa-spence-to-end-hunger-strike.html

The chief here is one Matthew Coon Come, he has been around the political end of things for a long time, at least since I remember while in Quebec.

cbc {snip} said:
A top aboriginal chief, Matthew Coon Come, who was among a delegation of chiefs that met with Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Ottawa on Friday, says it's time for Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence to save face and end her hunger strike — now on its 33rd day.

Spence, who attended a ceremonial event with the Governor General at Rideau Hall in Ottawa on Friday evening, along with about 100 other chiefs, has since vowed to continue her hunger strike until the prime minister and Governor General meet with First Nations together, in the same room.

In an interview airing Saturday on CBC Radio's The House, Coon Come, Grand Chief of the Grand Council of the Crees, acknowledged that Spence's efforts had "an influence" on the resulting meetings but also questioned the wisdom of her decision to continue her diet of fish broth and medicinal tea beyond four weeks.

"I'm not sure who is advising her," Coon Come told host Evan Solomon.

{I’ve a mind to think about Matthew a little more as a divisive force; hence his quick move to Solomon and his words. He was once in Quebec a negotiator for the Indians at Hydro Quebec and there were some questions and infighting then, if memory serves.}

[…]

{of Spence}

But Spence put the onus on ending her hunger strike — and that of two fellow hunger-strikers — on the prime minister and Governor General, in a written statement released Saturday.

"We are deeply disappointed that my efforts to bring both the Governor General and prime minister of Canada with our First Nations leaders has been compromised while my life along with Raymond Robinson and Jean Sock lives hang in the balance," said Spence.

"They both have the decision to stop this hunger strike."

According to Spence, "the state of Canada" has an obligation to call for "an emergency meeting that is inclusive of all First Nations leadership and end this once and for all."

"Thirty First Nation Chiefs don’t represent nor legitimize the mandate of all First Nations," Spence said.

To end here, this came to me and is an interesting and relatively short radio interview with one Glenn Babb, who was the South African ambassador to Canada in the 80’s. The snip will fill you in on what was going on then and the interview speaks for itself along with some interesting words.

Former South African Ambassador on Aboriginals in Canada

Link here _http://www.cbc.ca/thesundayedition/shows/2013/01/13/former-south-african-ambassador-on-aboriginals-in-canada/

Sunday, January 13, 2013

(CP / /Adrian Wyld)

A quarter of a century ago, a man named Glenn Babb was invited to visit an Indian reserve in Manitoba to talk about what he saw there. At the time, Mr. Babb was a diplomat; ambassador to Canada of the racist apartheid government of South Africa.

The idea that a representative of one of the most hated regimes in the world could teach Canada anything about racism caused a firestorm across the country. Mr. Babb was denounced as a racist and the Indian chief who invited him was pilloried.

His diplomatic career behind him, Glenn Babb is now a Capetown businessman. But he is still caught up in Canada's relationship with our indigenous people.

In a recent publication, he wrote a scathing attack on the Harper Government's relationship to Indian people. Among other things, he says Canada has air-brushed its indigenous peoples out of our democratic narrative, and that while everything has changed for the blacks of South Africa, nothing has changed for the Indians of Canada. He calls Prime Minister Harper's apology for the residential schools "mealy-mouthed."

Radio interview here _http://www.cbc.ca/thesundayedition/popupaudio.html?clipIds=2324847457

Publication here - _http://www.africanrhetoric.org/pdf/4_ayor%203.3_Babb.pdf

I'm not one to ask if "everything has changed for the black South Africa", rather think not, however, what he says about being "air-brushed" out of the narrative, is an interesting choice of words.
 
For any in other parts of the world who don't know, here are a couple of basic political or geographical generalities to add some context to the issues.


List of Indian reserves in Canada by population (196 Reserves)


_http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hkdP4fcVaq4J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_reserves_in_Canada_by_population+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca




List of Numbered Treaties


_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbered_Treaties

Treaty 1 - August 1871
• Treaty 2 - August 1871
• Treaty 3 - October 1873
• Treaty 4 - September 1874
• Treaty 5 - September 1875 (adhesions from 1908–1910)
• Treaty 6 - August–September 1876 (adhesions in February 1889)
• Treaty 7 - September 1877
• Treaty 8 - June 1899 (with further signings and adhesions until 1901)
• Treaty 9 - July 1905
• Treaty 10 - August 1906
• Treaty 11 - June 1921
 
http://pomegranatewomenwriting.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/why-i-support-idle-no-more-by-linda-goyette/

This is a great article by a once journalist who actually spent time investigating the relationship between the Canadian government and the indignenous populations.
 
Dylan said:
http://pomegranatewomenwriting.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/why-i-support-idle-no-more-by-linda-goyette/

This is a great article by a once journalist who actually spent time investigating the relationship between the Canadian government and the indignenous populations.

She has interesting things to say indeed.

It has been noted these last many day that the rhetoric over Chief Spence's income stays in focus. It is always being discussed by Canadian MSN and a very useful vector for many Canadians to dwell upon, osit. Other things that truly matter are left aside. Perhaps there is this deep adaptive unconscious bias in some Canadians that has been fostered by decades and centuries of political spin?

Linda Goyette from your link makes reference to Spence's money issue, too, as a counter:

To those Canadians who allege that all chiefs and band councils are robber barons who “make more than the prime minister,” and run a vast northern kleptocracy, I say: I have never heard an Idle No More activist or an Aboriginal person in any community defend overpayment of band officials, padding of expense accounts, or local corruption. Just as I have never heard any Canadian, anywhere, justify the overpayment of local, provincial or federal elected and public employees, although this also happens with depressing regularity.

Overpayment happens because we allow it to happen. That can change, too. I would like to hear Canadians ask why the president of the University of Alberta, Indira Samarasekera, received $627,000 in the 2007-2008 fiscal year, which includes house and car allowances, performance bonuses and deferred compensation. Her salary had increased 6 per cent compared to the year before.

Folks, she earned more that Prime Minister Stephen Harper and U.S. president Barack Obama that year while Alberta students contended with steady tuition increases. She earned more than any First Nation chief I’ve ever heard of. Yet do we hear waves of public indignation about the continuing high salaries of university and college presidents across Canada? Even a murmur? We do not.
 
There is certainly an inability to see the differences between cultures mended here in Canada. There really is a 'wrong side of the tracks' sort of mentality, which has been fostered by political spin. What I find deeply disturbing is most peoples lack of empathy towards a culture whose had to endure complete genocide and marginalization and had to move from such a tight knit community to being assimilated and having their long held traditions outlawed. Especially here on the West Coast of Canada when major European contact did not really occur till the mid 19th century. So much change in so little time.

What I really liked about the article is the rallying cry Goyette suggests us on the other side of the tracks should lend to support the movement. The government of Canada has passed 3 major omnibus bills in the last 2 years as the Conservative government was able to gain a majority of the seats in parliament during the last election. The omnibus bills are passed under the guise of being economic changes, but attempt to sneak other pieces of legislation through without proper political discourse. There are many problems with this, not only in the changes to the environmental or Indian acts, but in shoring up our domestic criminal legislation to be a little too similar to the US's.

Worst part about Stephen Harper is that his political career started in the same riding I grew up in!
 
One thing's for sure. The non-indigenous will never look at indigenous peoples solely thru PTB lenses again.
A social media not dependent upon the msm for its information, is resulting in a growing awareness amongst a significant number of people everywhere that the problem lies not with any minority group targeted by the PTB for persecution-the Palestinians come to mind as well-but with the larger global authoritarian system of an organized control matrix that manipulates and controls humanity from cradle to grave, that feeds off of the general population's ignorance of psychopathy and hides from the bulk of people the reality of the situation.
Idle No More seems to be a manifestation of this growing awareness and call to action.
For all of us, not just First Nations.
 
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