If the Black Plague came from space...

[SlavaOn]

Hello.

My question to Cassiopeans is:
If the source of the Black Plague came from space with a fallout from a comet's tail, why it only affected Europe in mid-1400s ?

Sincerely,
Slava

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Hello.

My question to Cassiopeans is:
If the source of the Black Plague came from space with a fallout from a comet's tail, why it only affected Europe in mid-1400s ?

Sincerely,
Slava

Hi SlavaOn, welcome to the forum. Please make an intro post on the Newbies board so we can all get to know you! :)

As for your question, there are a couple possible answers, depending on what you mean by your question. If you mean to ask why it was only in the 1400s, the answer is that plagues of this sort probably occur at various times in history. Perhaps even regularly (please see this article for example: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/234667-Pestilence-the-Great-Plague-and-the-Tobacco-Cure). If you mean why it only affected Europe and not the entire planet, I think that can be explained. It seems to me that any comet tail 'fallout' would be localized in a particular region or the atmosphere, probably depending on weather patterns. It also depends how it made contact, whether extremely diffuse, or in the form of small comet debris. That said, it's an interesting question and one that could use some additional research.

 

[Laura]

I don't think that we know for sure that it only affected Europe. We do sort of know that there were areas that were more affected than others. That can be explained by the rates and times of precipitation of dust loading in the upper atmosphere which can fall in some areas and not in others depending on various atmospheric conditions.

Or, the pathogen could be brought to one area by a direct "hit" and then spread from that area via travel (see "Return of the Black Death: The Worlds Greatest Serial Killer".) In such a case, travel patterns would have a great deal to do with the spread.

 

[SilverJeep]

My bride and I happened upon an episode of "Ancient Aliens" the other night. It was all about previous to every major plague outbreak is was documented that there were either comets or UFO sightings and suggested that the plagues came from space either intentionally or unintentionally.

Proir to the Black Plague there were supposedly cloaked figures that carried an apparatus that sprayed a mist. Then people got sick and died. And that is where the "Grim Reaper" originated.

They were all over the place with their research, but it was entertaining nonetheless.

 

[RyanX]

Hello.

My question to Cassiopeans is:
If the source of the Black Plague came from space with a fallout from a comet's tail, why it only affected Europe in mid-1400s ?

Sincerely,
Slava

Hi SlavaOn,

Just for reference sake, the Black Plague happened in mid 1300s, not 1400s.

Research the civilizations in the American Southwest for more clues on who else might have been affected by this pestilence. Although the Chaco and Mesa Verde civilizations had gone in decline to due changing climate, the late 1200s and early 1300s seem to be a cutoff point where their civilization ended abruptly and nobody really knows why.

 

[seek10]

My bride and I happened upon an episode of "Ancient Aliens" the other night. It was all about previous to every major plague outbreak is was documented that there were either comets or UFO sightings and suggested that the plagues came from space either intentionally or unintentionally.

Proir to the Black Plague there were supposedly cloaked figures that carried an apparatus that sprayed a mist. Then people got sick and died. And that is where the "Grim Reaper" originated.

They were all over the place with their research, but it was entertaining nonetheless.

One of my friend mentioned the same episode when I talked about health issues due to foreign body's. so MSM seems to have caught with this theme, but need to see what direction they take this.

 

[luke wilson]

Does anyone have any information about the spanish flu that started early in the 20th century - 1914 to 1918?

From the little reading I have done, it was more deadly than the black death. Some sources say it was the most deadly pandemic in the history of mankind.

_http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/articles/article/Spain/Spanish-Flu-Epidemic-1918/851

The Spanish flu epidemic of 1918 killed more people than World War I. It is known as the worst outbreak of an epidemic in the history of mankind. This epidemic is estimated to have killed from 20 to 40 million people since its initial outbreak. More people died to this disease in a single year than people died in the four years epidemic of the Black Death Bubonic plague. This was also known as “La Grippe” the influenza.

Also it was deadly amongst young people.

This Spanish flu epidemic affected more healthy young adults than the elderly and the sick. This is because the virus strain was caused a cytokine storm which excited the immune system in the body to a level where it destroyed the body. The immune systems that were strong were affected more as in the case of healthy young adults. While children and old people who had comparatively weaker immune systems were not affected to that great an extent. This research was later done by studying the tissue sample of the frozen victims and reproducing the virus. However, for a virus this dangerous, the study was being highly disputed by many authorities.

_http://www.aboutflu.net/1918-spanish-flu-pandemic.htm

It seemed like the well nourished, healthy adults, were the ones who were most prone to the influenza. This was seen as “odd” due to the fact that most influenzas target those that are younger, or those that are much older. In this case, everyone was somewhat mixed around. The middle group was the ones being affected the most, and there was nothing people could to do stop it.

Also according to sources, it spread across the whole world not leaving any continent untouched.

As for the Origins:

_http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5222069

Everyone seems to agree that the 1918 flu epidemic, known as the "Spanish flu," didn't start in Spain. (That name probably came from the fact that only Spain was publishing news about local flu epidemics; there was a blackout on news that might lower morale in Germany, Britain and France.) American experts, such as Jeffrey Taubenberger of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and historian John M. Barry, back the theory that the virus, which eventually killed 50 million people, got its start in America's heartland.

But apparently no one really knows for sure where it started.

Could it be comet related?

They say that it disappeared abruptly aswell.

 

[Laura]

Well, Tunguska was in 1908... and it can take a few years for particulate matter deposited in the upper atmosphere to precipitate down...

 

[luke wilson]

Can a mod please delete this post, reading further, I think if the spanish flu was due to a comet then it must have been either Halley or the mysterious Comet A. Thus my original post wasn't valid but nonetheless it appears those times were interesting interms of meteor strikes and visible comets.

 

[luke wilson]

Hmm it appears Halley's Comet made a passage through the inner solar system in 1910.

_http://www.ianridpath.com/halley/halley12.htm

About 3 a.m. GMT on 1910 May 19, Halley’s Comet passed directly between the Sun and Earth.[...] Those who believed that the Earth’s passage through the Comet’s tail would mark the end of the world must have feared the worst when violent thunderstorms broke out over England that night. From Leigh-on-Sea in Essex, an imaginative witness described the lightning as being as ‘almost the colour of blood’. At the Paris Observatory, Camille Flammarion reported that four observers ‘had certain olfactory experiences, which are described variously as a smell of burning vegetables, or a marsh, or of acetylene’. Imagination must have got the better of them, for the Earth’s atmosphere would have prevented the rarefied gases of the comet from penetrating any closer than about 100 kilometres from the ground.

Also appears the planet passed through the tail thus collecting whatever was left behind. Apparently it was refered to as "Celestial Vagrant", “Sky Vagrant” and “Sky Rover”.

This might be superfluous but I found another website where stories of Halley's comet in 1910 as it was happening have been sort of collected. Reading some of them, one realises that the hysteria that follows a comet isn't anything new. Appears there was a rude intruder aswell, an unexpected comet.

On January 24, 1910, another comet, perhaps believing itself to be a pretender, if not a contender, to the throne of Halley’s Comet, was discovered zipping by. It was known as the “Comet A of 1910.” (21. And, if you have read that correctly, it is not “a comet of”). “Its light differs from that of most comets, though it closely resembles the great comet of 1882.(22) This new celestial body was first reported in Johannesburg, South Africa, on January 16, 1910, by an astronomer named Innes. The new comet was named after Innes originally, but scientists in Europe and America decided to call it “Comet A,” accepting the description of its “striking orange color.”(23) A new comet, outshining Venus in brilliancy, (was) visible here in (Washington, D.C.)... along the atlantic seaboard in the south, (viewing) the comet just after sunset.(24) In Toledo, Ohio, on January 22, “It was plainly visible to the naked eye.

_http://gentlecynic.net/Articles/We%20Remember%20Halley%27s%20Comet%20of%201910.pdf

This is what Wikipedia has to say about Comet A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_January_comet_of_1910

The Great January Comet of 1910, formally designated C/1910 A1 and often referred to as the Daylight Comet[2] appeared in January 1910. It was already visible to the naked eye when it was first noticed, and many people independently "discovered" the comet. At its brightest, it outshone the planet Venus, and was possibly the brightest comet of the 20th century.

Some superstition.

“Comet Scares The French,” laughed — or sympathized? — the headline. “The common
people believe pretty generally that the approach of the comet is the cause of the remarkable
atmospheric disturbances,” of icy temperatures alternating with mild days; cold dismal showers,
etc, regardless of there being “no open excitement” among them.(48)

More lunacy, what is going on?

Another report detailed how the “Sky Vagrant Causes Funny Things.” It mocked the
fears of Indians who had sought haven in mountain caves; told of a farmer in New Mexico
fearing the Comet, drank poison and died; of miners taking refuge in Denver’s deepest shafts;
and of foreigners from Russia and Mexico employed in the fields around Fort Collins, Colorado,
spending the day praying over what they believed was to be an approaching catastrophe.(51)

There were several reports of people committing suicide, sometimes after killing
members of their families.(52) In the southern states, two people, on separate occasions and
locations, were shown the Comet and they dropped dead immediately.(53) “In districts populated
by foreigners, school children by the hundreds asked permission of their teachers to remain at
home... for fear of some untoward happening for which Halley’s comet may be responsible.”(54)

A taste of things to come or just more superstition?

The Lick Observatory’s comments had little effect on some. The “comet cold” was an
epidemic in New York City, causing a marked degree in colds and cases of the grip (influenza)
probably caused, says one physician, from the early morning rooftop comet-watching parties. A
more calm minded citizen had “asked the Health Commissioner to stop the newspapers from
publishing scary stories about the comet, because it was frightening over-sensitive persons into
illness.”[ ](58)

Back before the PTB was all powerful. Either the earthquake thing was a superstition or some kind of knowledge long since suppressed.

Not everyone found themselves bound to fear. But for those who did, feared the Comet,
or at the least of the worst, the tail. They feared either would strike the earth and destroy it. This
fear apparently was not a wide-spread response, and it was said that “only the foolish held any
apprehension over the coming of the comet.”(59) An editorial column quoted an astronomer as
stating, quite positively that if the comet hit the earth, it would disturb us about as much as the
dropping of a featherbed into the ocean would disturb the whales(60) This, after the newspaper
printed four columns of lengthy, factual news and scientific drawings of the Comet and its path,
with dates to show where it would be, including after it successfully zipped past the planet,
under the headlines of “Comet Is No Menace,” and “Earth In No Danger.”(61) Not to be
out-done by one of their own, at the same time another newspaper’s front page sub-headlined the
idea that the Comet’s powerful influence might result in earthquakes.(62) Accompanying that
headline, on the same page, was a centerpiece article that reassuringly said, “Old Earth Still Safe
and Sound.”(62).

Finally when the Earth passed through the tail, the whole World is as one. Are these also accounts of electrical phenomena?

Thursday, May 19
In San Diego, very large headlines, with starburst-like shapes between the lines
heightened the visual effect of the announcement that the earth had passed through the Comet’s
tail.(84) Reports came in to major news centers in New York by cablegram from all over the
world; from London, Berlin, Geneva, St Petersburg (soon, and regrettably, to be known as
Leningrad), Johannesburg, all with the same message, varied only by the observer’s memory and
vocabulary.(85)
The Comet’s tail extended well across the Milky Way in a spectacular display of the
Aurora Borealis, or Northern Lights, reaching across the sky from east to west, as seen at Yerkes
Observatory in Williams Bay, Wisconsin. (For a personal remembrance of that spectacular sight,
see ???). The Observatory did not connect the Auroral phenomenon directly with the Comet.(86)
The same scene was found in New York City’s northeastern sky, from 10:30 to 11:30 PM, with
the Aurorals explained as being caused by sunspots.(87) Scientists said these immense suns-pots,
intensely black, made a sudden appearance on the same day the earth passed through the
Comet’s tail.(88) Comet gazers saw intermittent flashes around the Comet from 10:30 to 11:30
PM, following the Auroral appearance. Astronomer Mary Proctor wrote that the flashes were
white, occasionally “ruddy,” and coming from beneath the clouds or from a low bank of mist.
The flashes were “as arcs of fire hovering over the darkness. Some of them arose, fanlike in
shape, rays of white light radiating upward to the arc’s edge, where a crimson flash completed
the effect.”(89)

Confusion, a new tail, pointing in both directions.

Sunday, May 22
The tail was seen pointing both east and westwards. The article was unclear if there were
two tails at the same time in each direction, or if one in the evening and another that next
morning. In New York, the Comet went from east to west in the sky (perhaps much faster than
was usual), and in St Louis, the tail was seen at a 45 degree angle. No comment here was found
telling whether it pointed upwards or down.(98)
Monday, May 23
The two-tailed Comet was seen at Johannesburg, South Africa, where photographs
indicated one tail in the west at night, and another in the east in the morning skies.(99)

An anomaly.

“In other years the comet was deemed a good omen, and we have reports
that the comets of 1811 and 1858 had a most beneficial effect on the earth’s
atmosphere, especially on the vineyards of Southern Europe. It seems that the
wine of those years was of such abundance and of such a joy-producing quality
that for a long time it was advertised as ‘comet wine.’ If our present methods of
advertising had been in vogue we should probably be manufacturing ‘Comet
wine’ even to this day — perhaps shooting off skyrockets over the vats in the
cellars to produce the flavor.

Omg, I am posting to much:

Going over to earthquakes.

According to this, there does appear to be atleast 2 quakes that occured at times of Halley and Comet A. One a mag 5.5 on may 22 in Salt lake city just as the planet is passing through the tail and another 5.0 in a place called Elsonnore UT on january 10th just before Comet A was at perihelion on the 17th.

Also found this website listing earthquakes of mag 7.0 or greater from the year 1910 but I don't trust it, the graphs are cool though. 2011 doesn't appear to be that major interms of sizable earthquakes, there have been some years that have been truly devastating according to those graphs, check out 1949 and 1950 to name 2.

Ok I am going to STOP now.

EDIT: More Info.

 

[luke wilson]

To SlavaOn:

I have found this link which shows the black plague also affected china.

_http://www.themiddleages.net/plague.html

In the early 1330s an outbreak of deadly bubonic plague occurred in China. The bubonic plague mainly affects rodents, but fleas can transmit the disease to people. Once people are infected, they infect others very rapidly. Plague causes fever and a painful swelling of the lymph glands called buboes, which is how it gets its name. The disease also causes spots on the skin that are red at first and then turn black.

 

[SlavaOn]

Hello and thank you for your replies.

I do remember from somewhere that it may take from 2 to 3 years for small dust particles, that are spewed by volcanic eruptions and rise to stratospheric heights, to settle on the ground. There could be a similar timeframe for the dust that is attracted by Earth's gravity to reach its surface, thus, spreading it homogenously around the Globe... Unless, the bacterias arrived in a bigger/heavier chunks of matter, it would be hard to explain why it did not affect all world population at the same time. Also, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Plague#DNA_evidence tells about "the routes" of infection, like it took 2 years for the plague to reach from the South of France to England (from 1347 to 1349)...

There is a book "New Light on the Black Death": http://www.amazon.com/Light-Black-Death-Mike-Baillie/dp/0752435981
($108 for 2006 paperback edition !!!) Excerpt from the description:

If the Black Plague and other previous plagues were merely diseases spread
by rats, why are there anomalous amounts of ammonia and nitrates
concentrated in the ice cores at depths that correspond to AD 1348, 1014,
626, 539 and 430 B.C. ? And why are there sharp climatological events in
the Dendrochronological(tree ring) record at many of these dates?

Since the bacterias need hosts to survive, would it be too crazy to speculate that the source of Y. pestis, could be a dead (alien) animal(s) (small enough to stay in the comet tail, but large enough to sink quickly to the Earth's surface) that came crushing through the atmosphere and poisoned some local water supply in the Middle East?

Sincerely,
Slava

 

[anamaria_dinca]

"Each had in his right hand a scourge with three tails."
"Four of them would cant in their native tongue and, another four would chant in response like a litany. Thrice they would all cast themselves on the ground in this sort of procession, stretching out their hands like the arms of a cross. The singing would go on and, the one who was in the rear of those thus prostrate acting first, each of them in turn would step over the others and give one stroke with his scourge to the man lying under him."-

What is that????? What does that mean???
_http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/flagellants.htm

 

[Nienna]

Slavon, maybe you would enjoy reading these two articles from SOTT:

New Lighton the Black Death: The Cosmic Connection written by Laura

New Light on the Black Death: The Viral and Cosmic Connection by Dr. Gabriela Segura

They are very important articles and talk about Baillie's book, especially the first article.

 

[anamaria_dinca]

Thank u very much !!!! :)