Incarnating

[M0vement]

That is really interesting, but they are bred there in lizzieland therefore it would require a soul to incarnate into that body if no soul incarnates then how does the body function without a soul how do they feed? If they were taken there, and were still in the body during the process then one could dive in to a body to release them but it says they are being bred there. Does that make any sense?

 

[M0vement]

Also thanks for the links i will be sure to read and learn thanks :D

 

[Glenn]

Well, the main reason seem to be that learning on the 3D level is much accelerated. 3D is described as a short wave cycle, as opposed to 5D being a long wave cycle. So that is the main reason, accelerated learning. It has been likened to a poker game, if you know all the cards of your opponents, then what value is in the winning. Sure 3D STS is not a picnic, but I think it best not to get too caught up in the feeding perspective.

 

[M0vement]

So a soul would choose to incarnate into those bodies being bred there to learn? because a body could be grown but if no soul jumps into those meat suits it wont function therefore no feeding.

 

[M0vement]

I must reiterate its just thoughts and ideas, Im still going to do my research regardless and not get caught up in this

 

[Glenn]

So a soul would choose to incarnate into those bodies being bred there to learn? because a body could be grown but if no soul jumps into those meat suits it wont function therefore no feeding.

I think you are mixing things up. Are you saying that in the Wave it says that souls are incarnating into human bodies on Orion. You say the bodies being bred 'there'.

Maybe you could include the quote that you are referring to.

 

[M0vement]

Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labour for them, why don’t they just breed us in pens on their own planet?
A: They do.

Now if they are breeding humans in pens on their own planet that would mean a soul to incarnate into the body because they feed off other souls a body is not alive without a soul no?

 

[M0vement]

I guess what im trying to say is if every soul that decided not to incarnate onto this plane of existence would that mean no humans?

 

[M0vement]

Perhaps it is a symbiotic relationship for those who choose to incarnate into those meatsuits in lizzieland, I give you some energy to feed off and you help me learn haha :D Perhaps it ties into STO and STS.

 

[Florian Robert]

I guess what im trying to say is if every soul that decided not to incarnate onto this plane of existence would that mean no humans?

Probably but I guess this is all about our own level of awareness. The more aware we are, the less likely we are to land in a land where we're compelled to act as slaves. I wonder if some souls are not just not aware enough that they don't have to go back to this planet after leaving their body, so they do believe they have to reincarnate down here until they eventually get it that all they get to do here is to feed evil aliens that don't mean any good to them. This is just like facing a kind of hypnotic assault: you fall for it until you manage to resist it.

Perhaps it is a symbiotic relationship for those who choose to incarnate into those meatsuits in lizzieland, I give you some energy to feed off and you help me learn haha :D Perhaps it ties into STO and STS.

I love that word "meatsuit" of yours since it describes well what we are in this 3rd density I guess you're right: without this kind of "contract" between the Lizzie part and us, we couldn't even get a proper incarnation on this planet to experience physicality. I tend to think of it as a parasitic relationship between a prey and a predator: just like we eat animals to get energy and proteins, Lizzie eat us to get emotions (since they don't feel any, they have to leech them from us) and blood in the worst cases. Yet unlike animals which are, sadly, prisoners from humans' goodwill to set them free, we as humans can break free from our reptilian masters' control, though this can be a real grind at the beginning.

 

[Florian Robert]

Well, the main reason seem to be that learning on the 3D level is much accelerated. 3D is described as a short wave cycle, as opposed to 5D being a long wave cycle. So that is the main reason, accelerated learning. It has been likened to a poker game, if you know all the cards of your opponents, then what value is in the winning. Sure 3D STS is not a picnic, but I think it best not to get too caught up in the feeding perspective.

Exactly. If I'm not mistaken, the main difference between 3D cycles and higher density cycles is the length. Down here, we, as humans, can expect to live 150 years at best (the record is held by a French woman, Jeanne Calment, who managed to live 122 years, though other people on the planet may have surpassed that since she died in 1997), since our genetics have been so much dumbed down so as to limit our lifespan drastically. On the contrary, 4D entities live much longer: I don't have the exact sources (if some on this forum do, please don't hesitate to give figures), but I remember some authors saying that 4D STS can live easily thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of years, therefore their cycles are very much different from ours (this can also play to their disadvantage)

 

[Glenn]

For the record, humans can exist without souls, roughly half of the population on earth are organic portals, which do not have individual seated souls, but are more like 2d entities where they share a soul pool. You can discover these things in your reading, where everything will make a lot more sense. This is a broad subject which takes a lot of study to grasp it all, and even then we only get a small picture of it.

 

[Kay Kim]

We are trapped in this density by our own selfish desires.

October 23, 1994

Q: (L) Well, then how did mankind come to be here?

A: Combination of factors. Numerous souls desired physical existence then was altered by three forces including principally Lizards through Grays, Nephalim and Orion union.

Q: (L) Tell us again who are the Nephilim?

A: Enforcers. Slaves of Orion. From Planet 3C, or 3rd star, 3rd planet.
.......
Q: (L) Let's go back to the three forces. You said numerous souls desired physical existence. When the numerous souls did this, how did physical existence come to be?

A: First was apelike.

Q: (L) And then what happened? Did these apelike being just pop into the air? What did the souls do with these apelike beings?

A: Souls altered them by transfer.

Q: (L) Transfer of what?

A: Souls into seeded bodies. Orion Union was first into Neanderthal.

Q: (L) Were altered ape embryos put back into ape females for gestation?

A: No. Souls only.

Q: (L) They put the souls into the ape bodies?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Did the soul's presence in the ape body cause its genetics and DNA to change?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) They entered into living creatures on this planet to experience 3 d reality and by entering in caused mutation?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other planets before they came here?

A: Not this group.

Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?

A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?

Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?

A: You. The human race.

Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?

A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn "the hard way."

Q: (L) Are you saying that the act of wanting to experience physical reality is the act of falling?

A: You are members of a fragmented soul unit.

Q: (L) What is it about wanting to be physical is a "fall"?

A: Pleasure for the self.
........
Q: (L) Did, at any time, the human race live for a long time in an Edenic state, where they were able to use bodies and still have a spiritual connection?

A: Yes. But not long. No addiction takes long to close the circle.

Q: (L) So, mankind was addicted to pleasuring the self?

A: Became quickly.

Q: (L) So you are saying that the Fall in Eden was also the beginning of time?

A: Yes.

Now, the Grand Cycle is about to close, therefore we have chance to move up.
If person completed all the lessons in third density then go to fourth density.
That’s needed to be aligned with correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS or STO.

January 17, 1997
A: Being on the verge of transformation to next density level, be it STO or STS. So, you see, the transformation maintains the balance!
Q: (Terry) And the balance is always maintained.

January 14, 1995
Q: (T) So, in 4th density, both types can still happen?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type thinking...?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if that is the way you decide to go when you get there?
A: Yes.
.....
A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!
Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?
A: Yes.

The STS or STO separate from person’s own heart desires, like happening right now, a lots people aligned with dark side like Hitler, by own choice. And this forum, we are STO candidates, working ourselves to be STO.

September 24, 1995
Q: (L) Why was Hitler so determined, beyond all reason, even to his own self-destruction, to annihilate the Jews?
A: Many reasons and very complex. But, remember, while still a child, Hitler made a conscious choice to align himself with the "forces of darkness," in order to fulfill his desires for conquest and to unite the Germanic peoples. Henceforth, he was totally controlled, mind, body, and soul, by STS forces.
Q: (L) So, what were the purposes of the STS forces that were controlling Hitler causing him to desire to annihilate an entire group of people?
A: To create an adequate "breeding ground" for the reintroduction of the Nephalim, for the purpose of total control of the 3rd density earth prior to elevation to 4th density, where such conquest is more difficult and less certain!

September 9, 1995
Q: (L) Are the Lizard Beings agents for some other group?

A: Well that is a rather simple question. But, there are levels of authority in 4th density STS environment. And these are determined by intellectual and physical prowess, as always, in STS. The "pecking order" as you call it. So, therefore, we could state that at the bottom are those you are familiar with as the Gray beings, and in the middle are those you would call the Lizard Beings, and above that are others that you are not so familiar with.

Q: (L) Who are they?

A: The most commonly known, of course, are the Orion STS.

Q: (L) What do they look like?

A: They are, in fact, humanoid in structure, resembling large human beings.

Some mover up from 5th density to 4th density.

“Q: (Aiming) Okay, we wondered what’s up with Gurdjieff’s soul?
A: He was attentive to earth issues for quite some time, but now has gone to full contemplation preparatory to rebirth in 4D.
Q: (L) So, you’re saying that people get born in 4D?
A: Yes. When did we say otherwise?” June 21, 2014

June 22, 1996
Q: (L) If, at 5th density a person has timeless understanding, what is it about them that determines that they will "recycle" as opposed to moving to 6th from 5th?
A: Contemplation reveals needed destiny.
Q: (L) So, being united with other beings on 5th, you come to some sort of understanding about your lessons....
A: Balanced. And this, my dear, is another example of gravity as the binder of all creation... "The Great Equalizer!"
Q: (L) Is it, in fact, that exactly half of all that exists, is moving into imbalance, while the other half is moving into balance?
A: Close.
Q: (L) All the cosmos? All that exists?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it possible that one area of the cosmos has more of the balance seeking energy while another has more of that which is seeking imbalance?
A: Oh yes!
Q: (L) Is the Earth one of those areas that is more imbalanced than balanced at the present time?
A: Yes, but rapidly moving back toward balance.
Q: (L) Is the Realm Border part of this balancing?
A: Yes.

 

[Florian Robert]

For the record, humans can exist without souls, roughly half of the population on earth are organic portals, which do not have individual seated souls, but are more like 2d entities where they share a soul pool. You can discover these things in your reading, where everything will make a lot more sense. This is a broad subject which takes a lot of study to grasp it all, and even then we only get a small picture of it.

Good recall!
Just one question I dare to ask. I often wondered if most of the people that chose to work in law enforcement, politics, or the military were not simply OP since they are much more malleable and controllable than the rest of the population. I feel like the answer must be 75% "Yes", in which case it is completely senseless to expect anything from them to help humans endowed with a soul, since those persons are fundamentally different in structure and cannot "understand" us.