Independence Day and 911
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Zadius Sky
The Living Force
ID4 and 911
It's funny how I was watching this movie just two weeks ago. I have it on VHS tape and never thought about this film until I had a feeling of "oh, maybe I should watch it." I was bored one evening and mind-numbed, and decided to watch it.
Did anyone watched this film recently? A sort of "compel" feeling or a strong need to watch it (before this topic was posted, that is)?
I believe that the reason for keeping WTC alone was for us to focus on it in the years to come. And, you may be right about the "visual pillar structure to visually intensify destruction." The fact that the ruins surrounding WTC would make WTC important in the real world. What's in the movie is opposite for real life (well, partly). That one scene is telling us that there will be an explosion involving WTC. The "how" is seen in action and "when" is shown in print/text.earth said:
It's funny how I was watching this movie just two weeks ago. I have it on VHS tape and never thought about this film until I had a feeling of "oh, maybe I should watch it." I was bored one evening and mind-numbed, and decided to watch it.
Did anyone watched this film recently? A sort of "compel" feeling or a strong need to watch it (before this topic was posted, that is)?
Tigersoap
The Living Force
ID4 and 911
Maybe I should open up another thread about this but I think it fits with this current thread somehow (please remove it if you think it should not be in here)
I don't know if anyone noticed this, but in the movie "Hannibal", there is a scene where the Italian inspecteur log on to the FBI website and you can see the ten most wanted criminal, there is a picture of Osama Bin Laden shown on the screen and it lasts enough for you to notice him.
I mean, what are the odds ?
The release date for the movie was 9 Feburary 2001 in three countries : Italy, Canada and the US.
Maybe I should open up another thread about this but I think it fits with this current thread somehow (please remove it if you think it should not be in here)
I don't know if anyone noticed this, but in the movie "Hannibal", there is a scene where the Italian inspecteur log on to the FBI website and you can see the ten most wanted criminal, there is a picture of Osama Bin Laden shown on the screen and it lasts enough for you to notice him.
I mean, what are the odds ?
The release date for the movie was 9 Feburary 2001 in three countries : Italy, Canada and the US.
Third_Density_Resident
Jedi Council Member
ID4 and 911
However, my second answer to the above question fits in with most of the replies on this thread. Having discussed deliberate insertions in films, there are also those filmic readings which can be made that were not deliberate and were completely unplanned, such that even the film's director, when these readings are pointed out to him/her, becomes quite shocked at how meaningful they are, even thought they weren't planned! It is my hypothesis that these occurrences are the result of the interconnectedness of all things, and also of the fact that we are living in the Matrix. Much can probably be learned by the study of the semiotics of film -- "the science of signs" -- especially pertaining to that more specific thing known in textual analysis as "syntagmatic organisation", or the way in which apparently separate, isolated signs, by virtue of their placement, can in fact form a cohesive message. People subconsciously engage in syntagmatic analysis every day when they see someone wearing a particular shirt while wearing particular earrings, for example. Just the shirt by itself would not say as much; it's the organisation of several elements together, arranged in a specific pattern, that forms the syntagm -- or something which can be "read" and which has meaning.
The point I am trying to make in all of this is that although the showing of "9:11" in ID4 may have been deliberate, in light of the huge budget of the movie, the fact remains that there is incredible meaning behind its juxtaposition with the half-ruined Twin Towers. The signs "9:11" and "Twin Towers" placed so tightly together form an undeniable syntagm, one which the director or screenwriter of the movie could not possibly have planned -- and this alone points to the interconnectedness of All.
Well, from someone who's studied film quite intensively (from a screen aesthetics, textual analysis framework), the first, simplest answer to this question is "mise-en-scène". That is to say, it was inserted as a metaphor for disaster. What you must understand is that virtually nothing in a big, Hollywood blockbuster movie is unplanned, right down to where the last tiny prop-piece is placed in a blurry background. The way in which a set is organised and lit, and also the position of the actors and the camera angle, is called "mise-en-scène", and its power should never be underestimated or discounted. The showing of the numbers 9:11, which in the U.S. is well-known as the standard emergency number, is metaphorically, and even subconsciously, saying to the audience, "This is a huge emergency!!!"Russ said:
However, my second answer to the above question fits in with most of the replies on this thread. Having discussed deliberate insertions in films, there are also those filmic readings which can be made that were not deliberate and were completely unplanned, such that even the film's director, when these readings are pointed out to him/her, becomes quite shocked at how meaningful they are, even thought they weren't planned! It is my hypothesis that these occurrences are the result of the interconnectedness of all things, and also of the fact that we are living in the Matrix. Much can probably be learned by the study of the semiotics of film -- "the science of signs" -- especially pertaining to that more specific thing known in textual analysis as "syntagmatic organisation", or the way in which apparently separate, isolated signs, by virtue of their placement, can in fact form a cohesive message. People subconsciously engage in syntagmatic analysis every day when they see someone wearing a particular shirt while wearing particular earrings, for example. Just the shirt by itself would not say as much; it's the organisation of several elements together, arranged in a specific pattern, that forms the syntagm -- or something which can be "read" and which has meaning.
The point I am trying to make in all of this is that although the showing of "9:11" in ID4 may have been deliberate, in light of the huge budget of the movie, the fact remains that there is incredible meaning behind its juxtaposition with the half-ruined Twin Towers. The signs "9:11" and "Twin Towers" placed so tightly together form an undeniable syntagm, one which the director or screenwriter of the movie could not possibly have planned -- and this alone points to the interconnectedness of All.
ID4 and 911
Ok, speaking of "big" movies and 9-11, guess what I just noticed on the trailer of the new "Transformers" movie today?
The above scene is a quick flash of the radio in "Bumblebee" (one of the transformers) being activated. The dial flips from just after 9, to just after 11. Now, what I also found curious is the little icon that appeared just under the numbers with the word "CODEBLACK" for the duration of that brief scene. I didn't see that icon anywhere else in the preview. Wonder what that is? It looks edited on over the movie footage, so my first thought was some kind of copyright protection system or "trademark" or suchlike. But a Google search yielded no results.
Anyway, you can watch the Transformer's trailer here and check it out yourself (you'll need to watch the latest trailer, not the teaser or announcement trailers).
Ok, speaking of "big" movies and 9-11, guess what I just noticed on the trailer of the new "Transformers" movie today?
The above scene is a quick flash of the radio in "Bumblebee" (one of the transformers) being activated. The dial flips from just after 9, to just after 11. Now, what I also found curious is the little icon that appeared just under the numbers with the word "CODEBLACK" for the duration of that brief scene. I didn't see that icon anywhere else in the preview. Wonder what that is? It looks edited on over the movie footage, so my first thought was some kind of copyright protection system or "trademark" or suchlike. But a Google search yielded no results.
Anyway, you can watch the Transformer's trailer here and check it out yourself (you'll need to watch the latest trailer, not the teaser or announcement trailers).
Telperion
Jedi
ID4 and 911
Well that would explain a lot - since every image we see is recored somewhere in our brain it makes sense that a lot of people described the day of 9-11 and the towers falling as "like a movie".
But I can never see Goldblum as anything other than 'The Fly' ...ugh, now that was off the hook for a lot of different reasons...either he's in on something or there's just some strange pattern of relevance to the movies he's chosen to be in.
Well that would explain a lot - since every image we see is recored somewhere in our brain it makes sense that a lot of people described the day of 9-11 and the towers falling as "like a movie".
But I can never see Goldblum as anything other than 'The Fly' ...ugh, now that was off the hook for a lot of different reasons...either he's in on something or there's just some strange pattern of relevance to the movies he's chosen to be in.
After a week of paperwork, including all day today, we are getting ready to take an evening break and watch Independence Day yet again.
Hope some of ya'll will join us in this celebration. I doubt that Aliens will destroy the White House or all of Washington DC, but then, maybe that depends on how you define aliens? A comet is certainly "alien", eh? Maybe the movie is more prophetic than anyone suspects sans the happy ending?
Hope some of ya'll will join us in this celebration. I doubt that Aliens will destroy the White House or all of Washington DC, but then, maybe that depends on how you define aliens? A comet is certainly "alien", eh? Maybe the movie is more prophetic than anyone suspects sans the happy ending?
I almost never watch TV, except for a few mysteries produced by the BBC and shown on PBS in the US. But I just checked online and Independance Day is, predictably enough, showing on the A&E channel tonight. I've never seen it. So yeah, I'll join you in watching it. It'll distract me from the neighborhood's fireworks.Laura said:
It's kind of a fun movie.
Some of the thoughts I had about it while re-watching it last night were:
First, of course, there was the 9-11 reference that comes up when the David character first shows his computer screen to the president with the "countdown."
Then the way they depicted the "primary weapon" firing on very tall buildings that then just basically dissolved into fire/dust similar to what happened on 9-11 to the WTC towers.
More interesting still was the way the primary weapon energies channeled down a selected building and then spread in a wide circle to engulf a city. It struck me as a pretty good depiction of what an overhead cometary blast would do.
When the president asked the alien what he wanted and the answer was "DIE!" that was pretty creepy but it seems rather to fit with what the psychopathic elite want for humanity at large except, possibly, for a small slave population. So it struck me that 9-11 was the date of the "alien invasion" so to say. 4D STS have taken over the planet on that day through their pathological puppets.
Then, of course, there was the giant mothership that was bearing giant ships that broke off and spread themselves around the planet followed by that interesting scene right at the end with the shower of falling, disintegrating little spaceships... all very cometary.
Obviously, the US isn't the "righteous actor" that it is portrayed, normal human beings all over the world joining together against the "alien threat" would be more likely. So maybe this is one of those movies with a message from hyperdimensional sources?
Some of the thoughts I had about it while re-watching it last night were:
First, of course, there was the 9-11 reference that comes up when the David character first shows his computer screen to the president with the "countdown."
Then the way they depicted the "primary weapon" firing on very tall buildings that then just basically dissolved into fire/dust similar to what happened on 9-11 to the WTC towers.
More interesting still was the way the primary weapon energies channeled down a selected building and then spread in a wide circle to engulf a city. It struck me as a pretty good depiction of what an overhead cometary blast would do.
When the president asked the alien what he wanted and the answer was "DIE!" that was pretty creepy but it seems rather to fit with what the psychopathic elite want for humanity at large except, possibly, for a small slave population. So it struck me that 9-11 was the date of the "alien invasion" so to say. 4D STS have taken over the planet on that day through their pathological puppets.
Then, of course, there was the giant mothership that was bearing giant ships that broke off and spread themselves around the planet followed by that interesting scene right at the end with the shower of falling, disintegrating little spaceships... all very cometary.
Obviously, the US isn't the "righteous actor" that it is portrayed, normal human beings all over the world joining together against the "alien threat" would be more likely. So maybe this is one of those movies with a message from hyperdimensional sources?
